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I'm guessing SPM will be front and center when it starts in NC? Not! Just like his excuse of why he couldn't go stand with them in Va. Lots of big talk and quotes from founding fathers but little action. Same old s*#+, different thread.
 
I'm not sure NC is analogous to VA... why are you guys assuming any of this will happen here? Cooper wouldn't stand a chance on any of this and his party isn't ransoming him with blackface either.
 
I'm not sure NC is analogous to VA... why are you guys assuming any of this will happen here? Cooper wouldn't stand a chance on any of this and his party isn't ransoming him with blackface either.

Thats my take on it as well. This would never be happening without some good old fashion black mail.
 
I think that's a little extreme. I also think some of the hero worship on Facebook is extreme too.
 
Modern police are no different than the German SS. The standard answer from the LEO community is we are just following orders.

Kind of like @SPM was just following orders when he deployed several times to an unconstitutional war? I don't think regime change and being the policemen of the world is a valid constitutional reason to go to war but hey, he was just following orders? Why didn't he stand up for his constitutional morals and refuse? I guess it was just his job and he has a family to feed? Sounds like nothing but a big ole angry hypocrite to me.
 
Kind of like @SPM was just following orders when he deployed several times to an unconstitutional war? I don't think regime change and being the policemen of the world is a valid constitutional reason to go to war but hey, he was just following orders? Why didn't he stand up for his constitutional morals and refuse? I guess it was just his job and he has a family to feed? Sounds like nothing but a big ole angry hypocrite to me.

Because I was 20, 21, 23, 26 at the time....was caught up in all the "Never Forget 9/11" propaganda and believed the bullshit that what we were doing was right and just?

Then I grew up.

Recognized that doing so was unconstitutional, it actually fomented terrorism rather than snuffed it out, and have been quite vocal in my opposition to endless war in the Middle East. And haven't reupped/reenlisted despite being halfway to retirement.

If you actually paid attention to the totality of the things I post rather than just get butthurt because your boy is a cop, you'd know that.

But please - let's make this all about me instead of the indisputable fact that law enforcement stood with the politicians against the People.
 
Wow.
You clearly struggle with some issues, PTSD probably being one of them.


Come on down to the VA, we will get you squared away, and get you help.
 
Wow.
You clearly struggle with some issues, PTSD probably being one of them.

Come on down to the VA, we will get you squared away, and get you help.

thank you for your service, x3. As you already know, you are not the exception in leaving Le careers behind. Each one of them is mentally, morally, physically and emotionally taxing.

And now you serve a large population again as a civilian.

Sound like the caliber of person who most certainly would not have ended up a Nazi prison guard, rather the type that would have attics and sub flooring stuffed with people where each one of them is a life sentence for you. And probably many notches on your Gun as well. More the “doer” than “talker” type.
 
Just as an aside, me opinion is poop storms like this hail from a deep underlying problem in our country...the term "Hero" has lost any legitimate form of meaning. When someone posts a viral video of a police officer playing basketball with some inner city kids, or cuddling a puppy the media screams "Such a hero!" and we have grown to follow along. We "back the blue" and "Stand with the thin blue line". All of these are modern catch phrases that serve little more than enhancing this "They are ALL heroes" mentality. What we really see in all of these videos are people just being decent human beings. I will never jump on the ">ALL< cops are evil gun grabbing puppy killers!" bandwagon...but I will also not jump on the "They are all heroes for wearing the uniform" band wagon either.

Problem is, if we base "being a hero" on such events as someone just "being a decent human being" then we need to include the janitor at my kids school who had to mop up vomit in the bathroom 5 times last week. Or the business owner that extends credit to a vendor for an extra month so that vendor can pay his payroll, feed his employees families, and then have time to make up the loss. Or the thousands of volunteers that show up to coach kids in sports for free year after year and teach them teamwork, responsibility, and perseverance. Heck, even in banking I have personally seen people extend deadlines for families that were in a jam so they could avoid foreclosure, get back on their feet, and succeed.

To remain on my soapbox...when I was a kid my "heroes" were icons...Audie Murphy (yes, I am way after his time, but my dad raised me right), Sgt York, Gandhi, Martin Luther King, and the like. Today, peoples heroes are entitled musicians, prima donna athletes, and politicians as crooked as a dogs leg. We, in my opinion, as a society have become so desperate for >real< heroes that we apply the term to anyone who actually displays themselves to be slightly less than a douchebag at any one particular point in time. "My teacher gives all her students a special handshake, he is such a hero to us all."...No...he is just a good teacher. A decent human being.

Its when we all are encouraged to look at an entire class of people as "heroes" just because of what they wear we lose sight of what real heroes are. Those who stand up for their beliefs against all opposition, or those who overcome extreme circumstances for the betterment of those around them in extreme selfless acts. There is a really good reason that virtually no Medal of Honor recipient considers themselves heroes, they consider all those they served with who did many other amazing deeds that never got recorded.

You are a police officer...good...now be a decent human being. For doing that I will appreciate your service. But I wont bow at an altar to you. No more than I would for the many other service industry workers that tirelessly work day in and day out to make our society pretty darn awesome. And for those that would argue the "Well, its not that awesome really" then I think you should take the advice you so often give those who you claim hate America and "Go where it is as awesome as you think it should be." as you type it into your smart device, sitting in an air conditioned home, with a full belly, a warm bed, a positive bank account, and no roving bands of jihadists/militants/gangs searching the streets for their next victim to hack to pieces with machetes.
 
The laws recently passed or currently proposed in VA pretty much replicate the NY SAFE act that went into effect 7 years ago. And this seems to be a favored leftist blueprint so "coming soon to a town near you" may not be all that farfetched. The only major differences that I see (so far) are that grandfathered-in "assault weapons" do not have to be registered with the state of VA (they do in NY) and there is not yet an outright ban on all "high capacity magazines" (as in NY), at least as far as I have seen. I'm not 100% on the mags, so correct me if I am wrong.

Where I am going with this is the VA laws are pretty close to the NY laws now and a good way to measure probable enforcement of those VA laws would be to look at what has happened in NY over the last 7 years. Go to a gun forum up that way and ask those guys what they have seen or experienced.

And you will find a couple of things readily obvious. First, the compliance rate for registering AWs with the state is somewhere around 5%. Lots of lakes in NY and deep, too. And that's in a state that had already long since required registration of handguns in order to possess them. So "registration", per se, was not something new and, yet, 95% of AW owners still did not comply.

Secondly, most county legislatures outside of the NYC area voted to "not support" the SAFE act (for what that was worth) and many county sheriffs publicly stated that their departments would not "pro-actively" enforce that law.

Thirdly, no law enforcement agency has conducted any confiscation programs of any sort.

However.............. not pro-actively enforcing the law or not conducting confiscation programs DOES NOT mean the NY SAFE act is not being enforced. It, like every other law, is selectively enforced. It depends on the situation and, to a lesser extent, on the individual officer.

An individual officer spotting a full-featured AR laying on the back seat during a routine traffic stop may or may not inquire about whether it is legally owned. Some will ask, some will not. It's a coin flip. You never know which way it will go.

But let that traffic stop be one of those "vehicle registration / vehicle inspection / have you been drinking?" roadblock deals with multiple officers standing around and a supervisor or two and you can bet your ass that gun will be the subject of inquiry. And if you happen to be violating the law you will be arrested. Let that AR be spotted during a "home visit" for any reason and it will instantly become an object of scrutiny. And a "high cap mag" anytime, anywhere will turn your day into shit.

Many cops in NY do not agree with the SAFE act and will not push it............. unless they have to. And, if that is the situation, then they absolutely will enforce it. And I imagine this will be the same environment in VA or whatever state comes next.

Some cops will turn their heads (if possible) and others will gladly nail your ass to the wall. That's the way of the world with just about any law. But not a one of them will risk losing their job for you. And that is an absolute truth.
 
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Your janitor IS a hero in my book

Im with you bro...last week three out of the six members of my family (me included) came down with a horrid stomach bug, and we had a LOT of cleaning to do...and it was MY OWN KIDS...and it was...horrid.
 
How about we agree there are no absolutes. Some police will do anything ordered, for whatever reason(s). Some will refuse to do anything they think is unconstitutional. Some are between the extremes somewhere. I hope the size of the “anything ordered” extreme is small but human nature is constant and history says that a significant portion will obey and perform horrendous atrocities.

If I had to bet, I would bet that there are effectively no police in the “nothing unconstitutional“ category because you can’t be a LEO at all under those circumstances (if you understand the constitution). So it’s just a question of where the “I will not cross” line is for most LEOs. We aren’t going to resolve that question insulting each other on here.
 
There are absolutes in life. You are alive, then you die. What takes up your time in between those 2 events should mean something. For some who never have the chance to grow up, they are forever young and they've gotten a pass on life. For those that progress into adulthood, they should be what they want others to be. Do for others what they'd want others to do for them. The world would be better if the "should be doing" would turn into the "did do".

Anyway, I feel like the in between shouldn't be arguing over some stupid ---- on a forum or calling people out over speculation or assumptions. Who cares. We are all brothers and sisters. Cry me a river, build a bridge, then get over it.
 
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Just as an aside, me opinion is poop storms like this hail from a deep underlying problem in our country...the term "Hero" has lost any legitimate form of meaning. When someone posts a viral video of a police officer playing basketball with some inner city kids, or cuddling a puppy the media screams "Such a hero!" and we have grown to follow along. We "back the blue" and "Stand with the thin blue line". All of these are modern catch phrases that serve little more than enhancing this "They are ALL heroes" mentality. What we really see in all of these videos are people just being decent human beings. I will never jump on the ">ALL< cops are evil gun grabbing puppy killers!" bandwagon...but I will also not jump on the "They are all heroes for wearing the uniform" band wagon either...

This entire post put it as good as it could be stated.
 
Let's just say I don't give a rodents orifice what you shout if you're forcibly kicking in my reinforced commercial-grade-hinged steel door. It's purposely built to buy me time.
Check out: https://www.armorconcepts.com/

The videos I have seen show it making the door very difficult to breach.
 
Let me pull out my crystal ball. These laws will pass and the 2A sanctuary areas will bow up a bit. But eventually the State will start to threaten withholding funding and then these commissioners and mayors who were all happy to pander to voters will quickly change their tune and these laws will be enforced by “pro-2A” law enforcement. I live in Davidson County and I will bet if the deputy who made the speech that went viral pulled me over with a third hole shorty AR and home made suppressor he wouldn’t hesitate arresting me on the spot. Cops already enforce unconstitutional laws and the only thing that is going to change in that statement is the amount of laws they enforce will increase. I’ve got friends and family in law enforcement, good people outside of work. But at work they do not serve the interest of the people or the constitution. Hitler didn’t kill millions of people, everyday folks who “were just doing their jobs” did.
I have to agree with you. I have a family member who is LEO, good kid while off duty, but, will enforce any law on the books right or wrong.
 
I suspect that the VA Capital PD force has been selected to be the most liberal force that a leftist regime could have. Kinda like any Communist leader would have, to have the most like minded people protecting them. I bet Northam will or has weeded out anyone who doesn't drink the Communist party system Koolaid.

Most LEO I know are Pro 2nd Amendment in my area.
Yep Northam has the deck stacked.
 
Just as an aside, me opinion is poop storms like this hail from a deep underlying problem in our country...the term "Hero" has lost any legitimate form of meaning. When someone posts a viral video of a police officer playing basketball with some inner city kids, or cuddling a puppy the media screams "Such a hero!" and we have grown to follow along. We "back the blue" and "Stand with the thin blue line". All of these are modern catch phrases that serve little more than enhancing this "They are ALL heroes" mentality. What we really see in all of these videos are people just being decent human beings. I will never jump on the ">ALL< cops are evil gun grabbing puppy killers!" bandwagon...but I will also not jump on the "They are all heroes for wearing the uniform" band wagon either.

Problem is, if we base "being a hero" on such events as someone just "being a decent human being" then we need to include the janitor at my kids school who had to mop up vomit in the bathroom 5 times last week. Or the business owner that extends credit to a vendor for an extra month so that vendor can pay his payroll, feed his employees families, and then have time to make up the loss. Or the thousands of volunteers that show up to coach kids in sports for free year after year and teach them teamwork, responsibility, and perseverance. Heck, even in banking I have personally seen people extend deadlines for families that were in a jam so they could avoid foreclosure, get back on their feet, and succeed.

To remain on my soapbox...when I was a kid my "heroes" were icons...Audie Murphy (yes, I am way after his time, but my dad raised me right), Sgt York, Gandhi, Martin Luther King, and the like. Today, peoples heroes are entitled musicians, prima donna athletes, and politicians as crooked as a dogs leg. We, in my opinion, as a society have become so desperate for >real< heroes that we apply the term to anyone who actually displays themselves to be slightly less than a douchebag at any one particular point in time. "My teacher gives all her students a special handshake, he is such a hero to us all."...No...he is just a good teacher. A decent human being.

Its when we all are encouraged to look at an entire class of people as "heroes" just because of what they wear we lose sight of what real heroes are. Those who stand up for their beliefs against all opposition, or those who overcome extreme circumstances for the betterment of those around them in extreme selfless acts. There is a really good reason that virtually no Medal of Honor recipient considers themselves heroes, they consider all those they served with who did many other amazing deeds that never got recorded.

You are a police officer...good...now be a decent human being. For doing that I will appreciate your service. But I wont bow at an altar to you. No more than I would for the many other service industry workers that tirelessly work day in and day out to make our society pretty darn awesome. And for those that would argue the "Well, its not that awesome really" then I think you should take the advice you so often give those who you claim hate America and "Go where it is as awesome as you think it should be." as you type it into your smart device, sitting in an air conditioned home, with a full belly, a warm bed, a positive bank account, and no roving bands of jihadists/militants/gangs searching the streets for their next victim to hack to pieces with machetes.
In todays world the term "Hero" is used like a participation trophy.
 
NC is not a suburb of DC. So we have that going for us in this regard. Those folks were a large part of stacking the VA deck. The election maps are telling. The Dem's got most of the vote, but they don't have most of the state. Urban areas telling rural areas what to do will be the current tyranny.
 
And to add, if we really had a chance at fixing this LE issue it would probably come via forcing Chief's of Police onto the ballot. Sheriff is an elected position. Chief's are appointed. That is where the split allegiance issues and lack of representation issues started in the colonies. I think it's part of what's going on here too. Appointed positions are not beholden to those they over see, they are beholden to those that appoint them.
 
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Have fun with that. Might want to be at the rear of the stack if you’re on an entry team


If I owned a can, I wouldn’t be sleeping much
 
It all boils down to one thing. Who pays! (MONEY) Will the military and the cops lay down their weapons and turn against the people who provide their food, housing, protection Some may, ask them know and they will say they will - Ask them after the popo hits the rotary accelerator and I will bet ya get a different answer. If you are the hammer everything looks like a nail-especially if the hammer is paid to do the nailing.
 
Modern police are no different than the German SS. The standard answer from the LEO community is we are just following orders.

Oh dang, they are rounding up Jews and gypsies to torture and gas to death now?

Dang it.


This is all part of Trumps new America.
 
An individual officer spotting a full-featured AR laying on the back seat during a routine traffic stop may or may not inquire about whether it is legally owned. Some will ask, some will not. It's a coin flip. You never know which way it will go.

But let that traffic stop be one of those "vehicle registration / vehicle inspection / have you been drinking?" roadblock deals with multiple officers standing around and a supervisor or two and you can bet your ass that gun will be the subject of inquiry. And if you happen to be violating the law you will be arrested. Let that AR be spotted during a "home visit" for any reason and it will instantly become an object of scrutiny. And a "high cap mag" anytime, anywhere will turn your day into shit.
If we get to the point that possession of heretofore "legal" property is now grounds to attempt an "arrest" I guarantee you those "arrest" attempts are going to become a hell of a lot harder and a lot more dangerous because the people who carry such items will be prepared and are not going to simply surrender and let their lives get ruined in the name of tyrannical infringement without a fight. A fight that they (the cops) may find brought to them in ways they don't expect.

As @SPM likes to say, right now is the safest time in the history of the good ol Us of A to be a cop. The politicians are going to change that. This is why pushing these gun grabs is such a bad idea.
 
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Oh dang, they are rounding up Jews and gypsies to torture and gas to death now?

Dang it.


This is all part of Trumps new America.


IIRC that was the later stages of the 3rd Reich. They were the 'secret police' up until they started baking cookies with Jewish people. You know, making sure undesirables didn't own things that were declared illegal like weapons and such. Oh and making sure that undesirables couldn't own businesses that were frowned upon. And teaching little kids how to tattle on people if they see something.
 
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I do think it is worth mentioning that round-ups of innocent American citizens and sending them to internment camps has happened before in the good ol’ USA.

Shush your mouth. We must forget the Democrat history that doesn’t make a strong federal government look rosy. :(
 
I do think it is worth mentioning that round-ups of innocent American citizens and sending them to internment camps has happened before in the good ol’ USA.

Must have been just the super rare bad apples that participated in all the rounding up though.

I bet the vast majority were All-American, Constitution-supporting folk who refused to participate.
 
That’s the thing if you think about it. A society, not all that different than our own, of a people who many here likely had as ancestors (I do), under “democratic socialism” became a nightmare regime. It can happen here. We have the advantage of knowing history and many of us, while we weren’t alive then, knew people in our lives who were and heard their stories.

We will NOT give up our guns regardless of what becomes “illegal”.

Consider too what Germany, a country the size of a medium state, did and how they dominated Europe. If they had developed nuclear weapons first they would have likely conquered a large portion of the world and even destroyed a lot of America. National Socialism harnessing the power of a productive people into the power of a gauntlet is an extreme force. If the US were to become the 4th Reich the world would tremble and then whimper.
 
We, in my opinion, as a society have become so desperate for >real< heroes that we apply the term to anyone who actually displays themselves to be slightly less than a douchebag at any one particular point in time.
Yes.
 
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