Dumbest thing youve heard in a gun shop

He’s a keeper! :cool:
Oh heck yeah! He solved lotsa issues for me:
--He diagnosed me as diabetic when I told him I had low blood sugar and needed to eat soon.
--He said diabetics can't get tattoos.
--He diagnosed my shooting issues without ever watching me shoot or seeing my targets.
--He said that my liking to shoot so much shows I have a serious mental issue.
--He told me .40 cal and HP rounds are the only thing appropriate for self-defense.
--It went on and on, but you get the gist.
 
Was in the LGS with one of the rare guys that knows what he's talking about. A deputy sheriff walks in and starts looking/talking. Guy has a bit of an attitude but not terrible. Somehow we got to talking about suppressors.

DS says, If I ever come across one of those on a guy I'm going to demand to see the paperwork.
Me- I have a suppressor. You know I don't have to show you the paper work, right?
DS- I'm a sheriff, if I demand to see it you have to show it to me.
Me-No, I don't. It's a tax stamp. That's between me and the IRS. Tell you what, let me do you a favor. If you ever come across someone with an NFA item how about just asking to see the stamp if you want to see it. Odds are, me or anybody else are going to show it to you. But you need to understand you have no authority to demand it. It's none of your business.
DS- None of my business? I'm a cop.

At this point he looks the LGS guy who has a big grin on his face. Tells him, sorry, he's right. You can't demand to see it. DS stood there stunned for a few seconds.
If that's the LGS I'm thinking of (and also mentioned earlier), then I can see the grin from here.
 
Was in the LGS with one of the rare guys that knows what he's talking about. A deputy sheriff walks in and starts looking/talking. Guy has a bit of an attitude but not terrible. Somehow we got to talking about suppressors.

DS says, If I ever come across one of those on a guy I'm going to demand to see the paperwork.
Me- I have a suppressor. You know I don't have to show you the paper work, right?
DS- I'm a sheriff, if I demand to see it you have to show it to me.
Me-No, I don't. It's a tax stamp. That's between me and the IRS. Tell you what, let me do you a favor. If you ever come across someone with an NFA item how about just asking to see the stamp if you want to see it. Odds are, me or anybody else are going to show it to you. But you need to understand you have no authority to demand it. It's none of your business.
DS- None of my business? I'm a cop.

At this point he looks the LGS guy who has a big grin on his face. Tells him, sorry, he's right. You can't demand to see it. DS stood there stunned for a few seconds.

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Not to be a one-trick pony here, but I've never been to an LGS that knew anything about Kalashnikovs. Referring to everything as an "AK-47" and pushing their garbage Century-made C39s, RAS-47s, and VSKAs as "the Cadillacs of AKs" and "better than combloc," because 'Murica. "Oh and while you're here, can I interest you in any of these NcSTAR red dot sights?"

Also, straight up arguing with me that Wolf ammo is steel-core because it has a steel case. "All steel-case 7.62x39 is steel core. I know because I own/work at this gun store and have been buying this stuff for years."
 
I'm lucky to have not had many run in with gun store choads. I've heard my share of stupid at gun shows, but most of it I forgot about over the years.

One conversation does stick with me though. A few years back, I'd went down to Fayetteville with a friend to check out some of the gun stores. I'm at the handgun counter, and the salesman asks if he can help me. I tell him I'm interested in S&W K-frame 357's. He tells me that S&W never made a K-frame 357. I tell him they, did, and name several model numbers. He refuses to budge. Nope. Smith never made a K-frame 357 mag. Model 19, 66, etc aren't real.

Needless to say, I never went back to that store.

Honorable mention, I did have a guy insist that I buy an IMI baby eagle once, because it was built by "Gods Chosen" and that made it better than any other handgun on the market.

My office used to be next door to a gun store. The owner quickly figured out I'm pretty knowledgeable about old guns and milsurp, and actually started to send customers over to me with their questions. I didn't mind most of the time. :D
 
Was in the LGS with one of the rare guys that knows what he's talking about. A deputy sheriff walks in and starts looking/talking. Guy has a bit of an attitude but not terrible. Somehow we got to talking about suppressors.

DS says, If I ever come across one of those on a guy I'm going to demand to see the paperwork.
Me- I have a suppressor. You know I don't have to show you the paper work, right?
DS- I'm a sheriff, if I demand to see it you have to show it to me.
Me-No, I don't. It's a tax stamp. That's between me and the IRS. Tell you what, let me do you a favor. If you ever come across someone with an NFA item how about just asking to see the stamp if you want to see it. Odds are, me or anybody else are going to show it to you. But you need to understand you have no authority to demand it. It's none of your business.
DS- None of my business? I'm a cop.

At this point he looks the LGS guy who has a big grin on his face. Tells him, sorry, he's right. You can't demand to see it. DS stood there stunned for a few seconds.
Technically, he could arrest you for possession of a weapon of mass death and destruction and haul you off to jail if you refused to show it. ;)

Because they’re illegal in NC unless they’re properly registered per IRS tax code...and that stamp is proof you paid the man the tax. You would have the proof to avoid being found guilty, but you’d have to show that stamp at some point.

I’ve never shown mine to any LEO or RSO, or to anybody else for that matter other than to educate them on the process. I’d probably leave a range on principle if they demanded I show it...but I’d show a cop if it got to the point that’s the only way I was avoid the ride even if I knew I’d eventually beat the rap.

Bottom line is federally you don’t have to show it to him, but NC is one of the states that outlaws them at the state level.
 
Technically, he could arrest you for possession of a weapon of mass death and destruction and haul you off to jail if you refused to show it. ;)

Because they’re illegal in NC unless they’re properly registered per IRS tax code...and that stamp is proof you paid the man the tax. You would have the proof to avoid being found guilty, but you’d have to show that stamp at some point.

I’ve never shown mine to any LEO or RSO, or to anybody else for that matter other than to educate them on the process. I’d probably leave a range on principle if they demanded I show it...but I’d show a cop if it got to the point that’s the only way I was avoid the ride even if I knew I’d eventually beat the rap.

Bottom line is federally you don’t have to show it to him, but NC is one of the states that outlaws them at the state level.

Yeah, that was part of the longer conversation. I just wanted to put a check on his attitude a bit. Basically, if you are nice I’m nice. Or if you want to be a jerk I can make you look silly about it.


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Was in the LGS with one of the rare guys that knows what he's talking about. A deputy sheriff walks in and starts looking/talking. Guy has a bit of an attitude but not terrible. Somehow we got to talking about suppressors.

DS says, If I ever come across one of those on a guy I'm going to demand to see the paperwork.
Me- I have a suppressor. You know I don't have to show you the paper work, right?
DS- I'm a sheriff, if I demand to see it you have to show it to me.
Me-No, I don't. It's a tax stamp. That's between me and the IRS. Tell you what, let me do you a favor. If you ever come across someone with an NFA item how about just asking to see the stamp if you want to see it. Odds are, me or anybody else are going to show it to you. But you need to understand you have no authority to demand it. It's none of your business.
DS- None of my business? I'm a cop.

At this point he looks the LGS guy who has a big grin on his face. Tells him, sorry, he's right. You can't demand to see it. DS stood there stunned for a few seconds.

I overheard a younger LEO tell a person “Well then I’m arresting you anyway and we’ll let the judge sort it out” and cuffed and stuff him for a fixed blade issue while buying beer at a convenience store. LEO’s do not know all local, state and federal statutes and some let power cloud their judgment ... especially when challenged.
 
Yeah, that was part of the longer conversation. I just wanted to put a check on his attitude a bit. Basically, if you are nice I’m nice. Or if you want to be a jerk I can make you look silly about it.
Even more fun would be to pull a copy of the paperwork out, fold it up so he can see this line:

Proof of Registration: A person possessing a firearm registered as required by the NFA shall retain proof of registration which shall be made available to any ATF officer upon request.

...and then ask him for his ATF ID. :D
 
Oh heck yeah! He solved lotsa issues for me:
--He diagnosed me as diabetic when I told him I had low blood sugar and needed to eat soon.
--He said diabetics can't get tattoos.
--He diagnosed my shooting issues without ever watching me shoot or seeing my targets.
--He said that my liking to shoot so much shows I have a serious mental issue.
--He told me .40 cal and HP rounds are the only thing appropriate for self-defense.
--It went on and on, but you get the gist.
If you remember the comedian "Professor Irwin Corey", he billed himself as The World's Foremost Authority . Apparently when he died he left that title to your friend (although I have a brother-in-law who thinks he got it).
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Technically, he could arrest you for possession of a weapon of mass death and destruction and haul you off to jail if you refused to show it. ;)

Because they’re illegal in NC unless they’re properly registered per IRS tax code...and that stamp is proof you paid the man the tax. You would have the proof to avoid being found guilty, but you’d have to show that stamp at some point.

I’ve never shown mine to any LEO or RSO, or to anybody else for that matter other than to educate them on the process. I’d probably leave a range on principle if they demanded I show it...but I’d show a cop if it got to the point that’s the only way I was avoid the ride even if I knew I’d eventually beat the rap.

Bottom line is federally you don’t have to show it to him, but NC is one of the states that outlaws them at the state level.


There are a few states that allow them at the state level without federal registration. Idaho. Maybe Tennessee and that is really symbolic since federal law trumps state law anyway. . Thats it. Otherwise ALL other states that allow NFA ownership require registration per the federal tax code as a defense to prosecution. North Carolina words it a little differently than most but not all others but its the same effect. There is no state requirement to show the county mounties anything.

I've also never been asked to show my paperwork in 30 years of NFA ownership. I would if I had it on me. I dont carry it. They can look at a pic on my google drive folder if it makes them feel good.

I lived in Washington State for years before returning to South Carolina. It was legal to own a silencer there but not to use one and I had a county sheriff tell me that if one of his deputies found a silencer in my possession with powder residue in it I would be charged with a felony. I told him you know Oregon is right across the border and I was shooting there. Prove otherise "Don't push me boy" . I was 40 at the time. That led to my first use of the NFA Trust.
 
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There are a few states that allow them at the state level without federal registration. Idaho. Maybe Tennessee and that is really symbolic since federal law trumps state law anyway. . Thats it. Otherwise ALL other states that allow NFA ownership require registration per the federal tax code as a defense to prosecution. North Carolina words it a little differently than most but not all others but its the same effect. There is no state requirement to show the county mounties anything.
It’s my understanding that some states (and I don’t know the laws of all 50) don’t have state level regulations that spell out the firearms are illegal. They just use the federal laws to limit possession.

NC copies the federal regulations/definitions and makes them illegal, with the exception to that being if they’re properly registered.

I think (but don’t know) that more than just a few don’t have state level prohibitions...and admit I could definitely have misread that.

I know the new VA proposed legislation was the first time VA would’ve had one at the state level, based on what a dealer there posted on AR15 when it was all going down.
 
It’s my understanding that some states (and I don’t know the laws of all 50) don’t have state level regulations that spell out the firearms are illegal. They just use the federal laws to limit possession.

NC copies the federal regulations/definitions and makes them illegal, with the exception to that being if they’re properly registered.

I think (but don’t know) that more than just a few don’t have state level prohibitions...and admit I could definitely have misread that.

I know the new VA proposed legislation was the first time VA would’ve had one at the state level, based on what a dealer there posted on AR15 when it was all going down.

Almost every state that allows them does so by stipulating that they are illegal then most just copy and paste the federal regs with the exception of a couple like Michigan and a few Northeastern states that throw in some more regs. Then there is additional verbiage spelling out the exceptions to that illegality. The exception usualy being federal registration in most cases ( except Montana ( not Idaho, duh ) and one other state ...TN maybe ? but the courts struck those down) but some states have additional requirements. Some, like Connecticut require additional state registration.
 
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DS says, If I ever come across one of those on a guy I'm going to demand to see the paperwork.
Where was he from? In MI, it is written into the law that any LEO can ask to see your paperwork at any time and you have to show it or else they get to keep it safe for you until you can prove you own it legally.
I keep copies of my stamps with my range bag, and in some cases a reduced size version rolled up and stuffed into the grip storage space.
 
I’d probably leave a range on principle if they demanded I show it...
I got a 590AOW a while before the shockwaves came out. I took it to a shop and did a quick strip/clean in their repair room before taking it to their range. One of the range guys stopped me at the door and said "you got paperwork on that? i need to see it." I went with the standard "I don't ask to see your tax forms, why are you asking to see mine?" He said "because that sign says so" and he pointed at a sign on the wall that said customers must show paperwork for NFA items.
I said "ah, a posted rule... well I don't agree with it, but here's my form..." And he stopped me before I even pulled it out of the folder. I said "wait, so now you DON'T need to see it?"
"Nah, you're good. We're just tired of people bringing illegal guns on the range. We don't want those in here when police or the ATF walk in the door."
I understood.
 
I had an "expert" come into the store once. Dude was a wannabe YouTuber which I only remember because he kept reminding me he hadba youtube channel as if having one makes you magically smarter than everyone else.

A list of stupid things he said:

· The Maverick 88 is not a Mossberg product.
· The 124 grain Remington Golden Sabres I had on the shelf were not real Golden sabres. Even went so far as to say they weren't self defense ammo they were practice ammo.
· Critical Duty and Critical Defense are brands.
· Ball ammo is worthless for practice.
· 9mm or smaller are worthless for carry but 45 is too much.
· 38 special is all women should carry in a snubbie because they cant handle 40.
 
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Where was he from? In MI, it is written into the law that any LEO can ask to see your paperwork at any time and you have to show it or else they get to keep it safe for you until you can prove you own it legally.
I keep copies of my stamps with my range bag, and in some cases a reduced size version rolled up and stuffed into the grip storage space.

It was NC.
 
I got a 590AOW a while before the shockwaves came out.
I have one of those as well, only because I wanted a $5 red stamp. :D

OAL was simply taken without the grip installed on mine. Same for yours?
 
Was in the LGS with one of the rare guys that knows what he's talking about. A deputy sheriff walks in and starts looking/talking. Guy has a bit of an attitude but not terrible. Somehow we got to talking about suppressors.

DS says, If I ever come across one of those on a guy I'm going to demand to see the paperwork.
Me- I have a suppressor. You know I don't have to show you the paper work, right?
DS- I'm a sheriff, if I demand to see it you have to show it to me.
Me-No, I don't. It's a tax stamp. That's between me and the IRS. Tell you what, let me do you a favor. If you ever come across someone with an NFA item how about just asking to see the stamp if you want to see it. Odds are, me or anybody else are going to show it to you. But you need to understand you have no authority to demand it. It's none of your business.
DS- None of my business? I'm a cop.

At this point he looks the LGS guy who has a big grin on his face. Tells him, sorry, he's right. You can't demand to see it. DS stood there stunned for a few seconds.
Im gonna have to keep a recipt for freeze plugs and maglites handy.....
 
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Not in a gun store but down range. Tallywacks PKM out ranges our M240s at 1500m! .311" vs .308" bullets of same weight 147 grs at about the same velocity. Dude, your tracer burnout is 900m but those 7.62mm NATO pills will go 3200m!

Hmmm... Sounds interesting but I don't get it. English for Dummies (this dummie), please?
 
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Not in a gun store but down range. Tallywacks PKM out ranges our M240s at 1500m! .311" vs .308" bullets of same weight 147 grs at about the same velocity. Dude, your tracer burnout is 900m but those 7.62mm NATO pills will go 3200m!


CD
LOL..

When I was younger on a range we got delivered a ton of SAW belted ammo and very little clipped M855. I said easy fix...just pass out a drum to every rifleman and we'll break it down and shoot it instead of cancelling the training op.

Company Gunny says "no way! Thats machinegun ammo!! Can't shoot it in a rifle!!" I said M855 is M855... he says "nope!"

CO standing there looking between us....


what happens???

SAW gunners got lots of training...rifleman took turns on SAWs burning up ammo. No rifles were fired...
"Just in case..." according to the CO...



sheesh...holy that gunny was a retard...Gunnery Sergeant Wylie......
 
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I don't want to continue the thread hijack, but maybe someone can answer this question. Doesn't LEO need reasonable suspicion that you haven't registered it before he can detain you and investigate? Or can he just stop you and demand to see your papers anytime he sees a suppressor or SBR?
 
I don't want to continue the thread hijack, but maybe someone can answer this question. Doesn't LEO need reasonable suspicion that you haven't registered it before he can detain you and investigate? Or can he just stop you and demand to see your papers anytime he sees a suppressor or SBR?

My take on it is if the NFA item is deemed 'illegal' by the state with the exception of 'XYZ'. Then the LEO has the foot in the door to request paperwork to prove the exception.
 
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LOL..

When I was younger on a range we got delivered a ton of SAW belted ammo and very little clipped M855. I said easy fix...just pass out a drum to every rifleman and we'll break it down and shoot it instead of cancelling the training op.

Company Gunny says "no way! Thats machinegun ammo!! Can't shoot it in a rifle!!" I said M855 is M855... he says "nope!"

CO standing there looking between us....


what happens???

SAW gunners got lots of training...rifleman took turns on SAWs burning up ammo. No rifles were fired...
"Just in case..." according to the CO...



sheesh...holy that gunny was a retard...Gunnery Sergeant Wylie......

Loser Gunny!
 
LOL..

When I was younger on a range we got delivered a ton of SAW belted ammo and very little clipped M855. I said easy fix...just pass out a drum to every rifleman and we'll break it down and shoot it instead of cancelling the training op.

Company Gunny says "no way! Thats machinegun ammo!! Can't shoot it in a rifle!!" I said M855 is M855... he says "nope!"

CO standing there looking between us....


what happens???

SAW gunners got lots of training...rifleman took turns on SAWs burning up ammo. No rifles were fired...
"Just in case..." according to the CO...



sheesh...holy that gunny was a retard...Gunnery Sergeant Wylie......

Two sh$t birds co and that Gunnery that need to be go from the chain of command.
 
I have one of those as well, only because I wanted a $5 red stamp. :D

OAL was simply taken without the grip installed on mine. Same for yours?
I have a $200 green stamp on my form that I only paid $5 for. And yeah, I think it was measured the same way at 21.75"
I currently have it on a knoxx recoil reducing pistol grip stock at it comes in at about 25.75"
One of these days I'll find a good wooden birdshead and a matching wooden foregrip and make it look extra 80s.
 
"Aks aren't reliable in any caliber other than 7.62x39" - LGS Owner

Had a LGS Owner stick a pencil in a handgun barrel to prove it was a good gun because the barrel didn't move much when he wiggled it. He also pointed the gun at my face.

Same person tried to sell me a FN 5.7 by basically bragging it was recently used in a mass shooting and it's bullets can go through multiple people which is why I should want it instead of the GP 100 I was asking a price for.
 
At a dunhams one time I heard a clerk turn a sale away because a lady wanted to buy 2 tauruses on sale. clerk was okay until the lady said something about how her mom/sister/etc would love the purple one.
THAT'S A FEDERAL CRIME YOU CAN'T DO THAT AND NOW I WON'T SELL YOU ANYTHING BECAUSE YOU MIGHT BE BUYING IT FOR SOMEBODY ELSE.
me: "You know buying as a gift for somebody else is legal, right?"
NO IT'S NOT I WORK AT THE GUN COUNTER SO I KNOW THE LAWS
me: "heh, okay..."

Meanwhile at a different dunhams, I watched a clerk sell a gun to a lady as the guy with her picked out a WASR, checked it out, handed it back to the clerk, and then told the lady that was the one he wanted her to buy and he didn't want to do the check in his name.
I have no evidence anything was wrong - maybe he just wanted privacy... but it was detroit...
 
I had an interesting one at the big box store a few years back. My buddy wanted to get into deer hunting with me. Knowing him, he'd go out maybe 3-4 times a year and shoot 1 or 2 max annually. I talked him into getting a savage axis. I figured it would be great for him and the limited use he'd own it for as it was cheap, reliable, and the combo came with a scope. Easy peasy, plus they were running a rebate. I've been reloading .270 rounds for a while so he can get it in that caliber and I can keep him stocked on good ammo.

I tried to get him to go to a local shop I recommended but big box store was nearby so he preferred to head there for convenience. He tells the sales guy he wants the savage and why, and instantly the guy starts bashing savage and trying to push him into a 3X the price Remington. Took a bit to dial the sales guy back, but he finally handed over the savage. Buddy shoulders it, racks the bolt, tests the scope, everything looks good. He wants to buy it so the employee takes the rifle in the back and brings out the 4473 to fill out.

As soon as he's finished, sales guy comes out at says they just sold the .270 he just handled, he has to get it in .308. But it's better cause the .308 is flatter and the military snipers use it. Obviously we are both pissed, how do you sell the rifle while someone is filling out the 4473? So voicing our disgust at this, he doubles down on the flatter shooting bit, like it matters for the <200 yard shots the gun will be used for. I know this is gonna be good so I indulge as the salesman grabs a box of American Whitetail in .308(150 gr) and .270(130 gr). Not quite apples to apples but hey this is his comparison... He proceeds to show use the bullet velocity and drop charts on the box.

Would you look at that? The .270 comes out of the muzzle over 200 fps faster and drops less at every distance listed. Buddy says "So that means the .270 is flatter?". After a moment of awkward silence he repeated that the snipers use .308 and there's more availability. My buddy who barely knows much about guns chirps up "You've got 20 different .270 rounds and the shelves are completely full, I know your bullshitting to save a sale now."

Granted he would've been served well with a .308, but he decided he wanted to go to that local shop I recommended now. So we drove 30 mins there, got it in .270 for $50 cheaper, and had an excellent salesman who didn't bash a great deer caliber or try to sell him more gun than he needed. He's killed a deer or two each year with my loads and can't be happier.
 
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Once had a rather rude thinks he knows everything about guns guy come in looking for "a real man's gun" which when i asked for clarification was a 1911. Conversation went lime this

Customer :I don't like that dumbass thing on the back
Me: sir that is a grip safety. All 1911s have those.
Customer: well I don't want that.
Me: fine sir we have hundreds of other handguns i can show you
Customer : no I want a 1911. Show me one without that grip thing
Me: every 1911 will have that sir. That is how they are made
Customer: (clearly trying to talk down to me) oh yeah since when
Me: since 1911
Customer: .........
Me: good day to you sir
 
Hmmm... Sounds interesting but I don't get it. English for Dummies (this dummie), please?
Ballisticaly same round, same performance. And they were forgetting the fact that well the compound was being peppered by 7.62x54R, they had gun trucks with .50 cal BMGs with a 6500yd range! Oh and Mk19s and Mk47s that are in 40mm with a 2000m range.


CD
 
Once had a rather rude thinks he knows everything about guns guy come in looking for "a real man's gun" which when i asked for clarification was a 1911. Conversation went lime this

Customer :I don't like that dumbass thing on the back
Me: sir that is a grip safety. All 1911s have those.
Customer: well I don't want that.
Me: fine sir we have hundreds of other handguns i can show you
Customer : no I want a 1911. Show me one without that grip thing
Me: every 1911 will have that sir. That is how they are made
Customer: (clearly trying to talk down to me) oh yeah since when
Me: since 1911
Customer: .........
Me: good day to you sir


IIRC the original design didn't have it. The Army made him add it after the first trials
 
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