Dumbest thing youve heard in a gun shop

Newt said:
All I know is what I have experienced. Maybe it was because I didn't have the money to buy a qualified licence, permit, etc. to own a MG. Isn't that $200 fee an anual fee? It is extremely difficult for the average citizen to purchase and possess a MG. I just wanted him to prove how an every day legal citizen can obtain and own a MG. That's the proof aside from my knowledge and research I seek.

Title II of the Gun Control Act of 1968 is a revision of the National Firearms Act of 1934, and pertains to machine guns, short or "sawed-off" shotguns and rifles, and so-called "destructive devices" (including grenades, mortars, rocket launchers, large projectiles, and other heavy ordnance). Acquisition of these weapons is subject to prior approval of the Attorney General, and federal registration is required for possession. Generally, a $200 tax is imposed upon each transfer or making of any Title II weapon.

I probably will be leaving this site as I have in the past because when I question someone's integrity, I am hit with extreme negativism and never a straight answer to my questions. OK, I'll admit they are not "illegal" to most people, but out of the means of most people. But one thing for sure, they are extremely regulated and registered by the government.
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No it is upon transfer 200 keep it 50 years or 2 months. Same 200 dollars. If you can own a pistol you can own a machine gun in nc . Taking out the money side of the equation getting all the new stuff is like doing drum brakes on a car. Annoying, some profanity, but not all that difficult.

Also perhaps, just a thought, stop questioning people's integrity? A 5 minute Google search would of given you all these answers and more. Without looking like a jerk.

Questions? Good. Disagreements? Fine. But you start disparaging people you better have all your rows in a duck, or it ain't gonna look pretty
 
Newt said:
All I know is what I have experienced. Maybe it was because I didn't have the money to buy a qualified licence, permit, etc. to own a MG. Isn't that $200 fee an anual fee? It is extremely difficult for the average citizen to purchase and possess a MG. I just wanted him to prove how an every day legal citizen can obtain and own a MG. That's the proof aside from my knowledge and research I seek.

Title II of the Gun Control Act of 1968 is a revision of the National Firearms Act of 1934, and pertains to machine guns, short or "sawed-off" shotguns and rifles, and so-called "destructive devices" (including grenades, mortars, rocket launchers, large projectiles, and other heavy ordnance). Acquisition of these weapons is subject to prior approval of the Attorney General, and federal registration is required for possession. Generally, a $200 tax is imposed upon each transfer or making of any Title II weapon.

I probably will be leaving this site as I have in the past because when I question someone's integrity, I am hit with extreme negativism and never a straight answer to my questions. OK, I'll admit they are not "illegal" to most people, but out of the means of most people. But one thing for sure, they are extremely regulated and registered by the government.
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“because when I question someone's integrity, I am hit with extreme negativism”

As you should be. A person’s integrity is what their reputation is built on. IMO it should not be questioned w/o just cause. Your not believing his statement about owning 40 NFA devices does not constitute just cause.

There are many, many machine gun owners on this forum. You can view quite a few of their firearms in the NFA threads.

The $200 tax is a one time tax, it is not annual.

The Attorney General is not required to approve transfers of Title II weapons, but the Director of the ATF is (Unless this has recently changed).

Yes, they are extremely regulated and registered by the USG.

In my opinion, a $200 tax is not beyond the means of most people, but I will concur that the current retail price of 40K+ for an MP5 is beyond the means of many. However Mac 10’s, 11’s, Stens, etc call usually be obtained for less than 7K and that is within the means of quite a few. West Hurley Thompson’s can be found for 10 - 15K too.

The same process is undergone to transfer and possess either a MG or a suppressor, all frequently referred to as NFA devices. Most suppressors can be purchased for less than $1k, and many are under $500.00 - well within the means of many firearms owners.

As to myself, my avatar shows me shooting my 1928A1 Thompson on full auto. Here is a video for “proof”.



Quite a few members here have shot my full auto’s and suppressors.
 
"The air is so humid here you don't have to lube your pistol"- Random old guy working at Shooters Paradise, Woodbridge VA 2000'ish

"You can make your _______ full auto by filing the sear" 100's of young dudes over the years.

"A Winchester is the hardest kicking rifle ever".
Random in Gander Mountain.

"Your wife needs to get a small S&W air weight. It is the best gun for a lady". Random guy working at Jim's. She got the Kimber TLE II RL By the ways...photo~2.JPG Mine is under hers.
 
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Newt said:
All I know is what I have experienced. Maybe it was because I didn't have the money to buy a qualified licence, permit, etc. to own a MG. Isn't that $200 fee an anual fee? It is extremely difficult for the average citizen to purchase and possess a MG. I just wanted him to prove how an every day legal citizen can obtain and own a MG. That's the proof aside from my knowledge and research I seek.

Title II of the Gun Control Act of 1968 is a revision of the National Firearms Act of 1934, and pertains to machine guns, short or "sawed-off" shotguns and rifles, and so-called "destructive devices" (including grenades, mortars, rocket launchers, large projectiles, and other heavy ordnance). Acquisition of these weapons is subject to prior approval of the Attorney General, and federal registration is required for possession. Generally, a $200 tax is imposed upon each transfer or making of any Title II weapon.

I probably will be leaving this site as I have in the past because when I question someone's integrity, I am hit with extreme negativism and never a straight answer to my questions. OK, I'll admit they are not "illegal" to most people, but out of the means of most people. But one thing for sure, they are extremely regulated and registered by the government.
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Neutral 3rd party here, i'm pretty new too.
Everything you said is wrong.
There is not a "qualified license", just a one-time $200 tax stamp. If you can get a concealed pistol license, or pass a regular gun purchase background check, you'd have no problem getting a machine gun. You'd just have to wait a while for the paperwork to clear. suppressors, machine guns, destructive devices... the only thing that is "difficult" is explosives/grenades and that's because of the storage requirements.
The only reason they're out of most people's means is because their scarcity makes them expensive.
If you're finding you have to repeatedly leave sites because of how people react to you... well, the only constant is you. Try politely asking for more information than telling everybody who knows more than you that they're wrong.
 
So,...here is one for the thread.
I once had a guy buy a gun and blanks for that gun, after being told that they are just noise makers mind you, come back in a week, later with a target saying i sold him a broke gun cause he couldnt hit anything with it at all.

I don't know how close he was shooting, but there were powder burns on the paper
 
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shadowsbane said:
So,...here is one for the thread.
I once had a guy buy a fun and blanks for that gun, after being told that they are just noise makers mind you, come back in a week, later with a target saying i sold him a broke gun cause he couldnt hit anything with it at all.

I don't know how close he was shooting, but there were powder burns on the paper
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This is great. I’ve got a new justification for how I shoot. :rolleyes:
 
Newt said:
Prove it.
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Ahhhh ... he does not have to prove anything to people here who know him ... maybe one day you’ll realize that also.

Also your $200 per year thought shows you do not understand NFA regulations. Waylon is probably the most knowledgable member who’s not a dealer as to Form 1’s to Form 4’s and 5320’s. If I get two different NFA answers to the same question I’m going to go with Waylon anytime. A little suggestion ... slow down here and get the lay of the land before stepping on a land mine ... like calling out someone who you’ve only been exposed to for 2 weeks.
 
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NCFubar said:
Ahhhh ... he does not have to prove anything to people here who know him ... maybe one day you’ll realize that also.
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Honestly, I’m still trying to figure out what I was asked told to prove. Was it (1) how many stamps I have or (2) the fact I don’t need an FFL of any kind to buy a Machinegun. :confused:
 
BigWaylon said:
...and some of us still have that on our to-do list. :D
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If you remember a few years back, there were a few people who managed to get new FA lowers approved because they applied to create them on a form1 under a trust, and a trust is not an individual. individuals are legally banned under the NFA, but trusts aren't.

I applied to make one and, after many months, got my application back with a big ugly DISAPPROVED stamped across it. Turns out the ATF decided that trusts are close enough to individuals that they can restrict them if they want.

So, while it was read instead of heard, and it wasn't actually in a gun shop... I think DISAPPROVED still qualifies as "on topic"
 
BigWaylon said:
Honestly, I’m still trying to figure out what I was asked told to prove. Was it (1) how many stamps I have or (2) the fact I don’t need an FFL of any kind to buy a Machinegun. :confused:
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Guess you might want to include the $5 red stamps too ... and explain the AOW class also.
 
Newt said:
I probably will be leaving this site as I have in the past because when I question someone's integrity, I am hit with extreme negativism
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Newt, take a breath, read more of folks posts and projects around here. There’s a wealth of info in this crew that they truly are happy to share and help.
You came across as accusatory and negative, you got a negative response.
Ask better questions, “How can that be? I was under the impression MG ownership was illegal.”
Someone else did a similar thing in the last few days on a different thread. They questioned/attempted to correct an individual that knows more about the subject that than almost anyone else in the US. After a bit the doubter noticed he wasn’t correct in his assumptions, apologized for being off and was commended.
There’s a large respected crew here. Relax and enjoy.
 
Scsmith42 said:
“because when I question someone's integrity, I am hit with extreme negativism”

As you should be. A person’s integrity is what their reputation is built on. IMO it should not be questioned w/o just cause. Your not believing his statement about owning 40 NFA devices does not constitute just cause.

There are many, many machine gun owners on this forum. You can view quite a few of their firearms in the NFA threads.

The $200 tax is a one time tax, it is not annual.

The Attorney General is not required to approve transfers of Title II weapons, but the Director of the ATF is (Unless this has recently changed).

Yes, they are extremely regulated and registered by the USG.

In my opinion, a $200 tax is not beyond the means of most people, but I will concur that the current retail price of 40K+ for an MP5 is beyond the means of many. However Mac 10’s, 11’s, Stens, etc call usually be obtained for less than 7K and that is within the means of quite a few. West Hurley Thompson’s can be found for 10 - 15K too.

The same process is undergone to transfer and possess either a MG or a suppressor, all frequently referred to as NFA devices. Most suppressors can be purchased for less than $1k, and many are under $500.00 - well within the means of many firearms owners.

As to myself, my avatar shows me shooting my 1928A1 Thompson on full auto. Here is a video for “proof”.



Quite a few members here have shot my full auto’s and suppressors.
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Now there's a beat you can dance to.
 
Well, I was going to send Newt a PM encouraging him to stay, but he's either deactivated his PM's or blocked me.

Looking at his intro it appears that he had an FFL in New York many years ago. That likely explains some of his ignorance about MG's. For New Yorker's, they are indeed all but impossible to own.

Oh well....

Newt, if you read this you ought to consider staying. This is one of the best firearms forum's on the net and we all have said/done things that we later regretted. I know that I have.
 
The dumbest thing I heard at my LGS lately is when they asked me to give them a chance on pricing before my next transfer. I said OK and gave them a Remy rifle model # and they were $300 more than what I could buy it for, pay tax, shipping and their ripoff Xfr fee. They said, "oh well."
 
Millie said:
Why do some guys think we all need teeny, light guns??????? lol. I really hate that!
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And it's the cause of so many women who try and shoot then quit. Because light tiny guns with subpar sights reallll close together are the best thing to learn on.... Right?
 
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Scsmith42 said:
Looking at his intro it appears that he had an FFL in New York many years ago. That likely explains some of his ignorance about MG's. For New Yorker's, they are indeed all but impossible to own.
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Kind of makes it on topic too...
 
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NCLivingBrit said:
And it's the cause of so many women who try and shoot then quit. Because light tiny guns with subpar sights reallll close together are the best thing to learn on.... Right?
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I'm glad I didn't quit after the Taurus UltraLite fiasco....which I could have avoided by not buying a gun I hadn't shot first! Live and learn!
 
LeeMajors said:
@Tobrooks
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My last one was approved last June have not purchased any more MG’s since then(took 8 months for the approval on that MP5SD). Had a near death experience a few months back so when I was ok bought a 2019 Z06 Vette and the wife said no more MG’s (Man I love that woman!). Anyway I’m happy to let anyone a test drive my MG’s but not the Vette :) The HK21 is the most fun but really brutal.
 
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LGS sales guy after a customer left:

“That guy told me he wanted the best AR15 we had and a military sight. He said he was getting a Kevlar vest in the mail. I asked him if he had $3000.00 and he said money wasn’t an object he was getting a big refund. I’m not selling him a gun because I don’t have to. He wants a military gun and a vest. He’s up to something.”

What a turd. Yeah he’s up to being prepared.
 
BlackGun said:
LGS sales guy after a customer left:

“That guy told me he wanted the best AR15 we had and a military sight. He said he was getting a Kevlar vest in the mail. I asked him if he had $3000.00 and he said money wasn’t an object he was getting a big refund. I’m not selling him a gun because I don’t have to. He wants a military gun and a vest. He’s up to something.”

What a turd. Yeah he’s up to being prepared.
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He's up to taking his $3,000 to someone else.

Which, when you think about it, is a perfect slap in the face.

I HAPPILY took over half a grand in a sure sale on a 20 minute drive to another gun shop for pretty much this same thing.
 
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