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If you were going to buy a dedicated 9mm can for a CZ Scorpion Evo 1 pistol which would you buy?
 
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If money didn’t matter, probably a Dead Air Wolfman...but I think they’re backordered at the moment (Dead Air went with a new manufacturer in the last month or two)

If money did, but the wait didn’t, I’d probably wait on the YHM R9, due out in the middle of 2020

If price and wait are important, the Rex Silentium MG7-358 looks like it’s available today for a fair price
 
If money didn’t matter, probably a Dead Air Wolfman...but I think they’re backordered at the moment (Dead Air went with a new manufacturer in the last month or two)

If money did, but the wait didn’t, I’d probably wait on the YHM R9, due out in the middle of 2020

If price and wait are important, the Rex Silentium MG7-358 looks like it’s available today for a fair price
Unfortunately, he's wrong on this one. I'd do a form 1 can just like @BigWaylon did. Get it in your hands quicker and cheaper. So you can either listen to @BigWaylon's advice or take mine and do what @BigWaylon did and build a form 1 can.

Hey @BigWaylon, how many alerts did you just get off my 1 post?
 
Hey @BigWaylon, how many alerts did you just get off my 1 post?
Just one. :(


And a Form 1 can would fine for this if he’s up for it.

I run an Octane 45 w/ 9mm cap on my 7” SBR, and a custom F1 can on my 4” AR pistol. I did the F1 mainly because there wasn’t a commercial can that was the size I needed...and the decreased wait time was part of the thought process.

Although I did briefly consider a Gemtech Tundra.
 
If you were going to buy a dedicated 9mm can for a CZ Scorpion Evo 1 pistol which would you buy?
Im waiting on a Wolf 9sd for the same purpose. Thats what the Wolf 9sd or the newer version of it..aka Wolfman was made for...sub guns and pcc. The reviews on these are very good. I should have it anyyyyy day now as its been just over a year. I will give some feedback on this soon hopefully!
 
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Im waiting on a Wolf 9sd for the same purpose. Thats what the Wolf 9sd or the newer version of it..aka Wolfman was made for...sub guns and pcc. The reviews on these are very good. I should have it anyyyyy day now as its been just over a year. I will give some feedback on this soon hopefully!
I'd love a wolfman... But isn't it about $800?
 
800ish with a 1/2-28 fixed adapter. My 9sd was 730 but no mounting device. Not cheap but its should be a good performing heavy duty piece.
 
So then another what, $120 for a trilug adapter? Seems a bit high. I'll wait for them to go $599 or buy one get a Mask free.
 
I think i paid around $80 for a fixed thread. Yeah......the 3 lug adapter is up there
 
Sounds like you’re not ready to pull the trigger right now.

I’d wait for the YHM R9... you will save some decent money over the Wolfman which will help you justify selling the Scorpion and buying the MP5 host you deserve.

@JRHorne
 
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I don't get the move towards sealed cans for pistol calibers. I understand that they're also rated for certain rifle calibers but just buy a rifle can because in 5 years the boards will full of "how do I clean my Wolfman" threads.
 
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I don't get the move towards sealed cans for pistol calibers. I understand that they're also rated for certain rifle calibers but just buy a rifle can because in 5 years the boards will full of "how do I clean my Wolfman" threads.

You get a heavier duty piece of equipment with slight volume increase...… and its usually lighter due to not having an outer tube. This normally equates to a quieter, lighter can, and recently you are seeing shorter cans that are performing the same as cans that are 2-3 inches longer. Not being able to clean it as you would a serviceable suppressor is an issue, but cans really aren't meant to last forever. A sealed can should last a few thousand rounds easily.... Some manufacturers will clean your sealed can for you, for a fee. And of course...…… they would like you to buy anther suppressor a few years down the road so they can stay in business!

If you do decide on a sealed can for handgun rounds, most definitely pay attention to your ammo choices. Most jacketed handgun ammo isn't totally jacketed...… the rear of the bullet is exposed lead which will dirty up the can quicker. I know Speer makes TMJ ammunition (Total Metal Jacket) which works good for indoor ranges and sealed suppressors. I tend to buy a lot of plated bullets for this purpose... and they're cheaper than a total jacket bullet.

Another solid option that was mentioned above was the Octane 9 which is user serviceable, good to see them bringing that back.
 
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I'll throw one out: The CGS Mod9 or Mod9 SK. Both can be had for under $400 right now from Lanbos. People say the regular length is the best sounding 9mm can they've ever heard. I looked last night and found them that cheap, so I think I'm going to order one myself.
 
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If you were going to buy a dedicated 9mm can for a CZ Scorpion Evo 1 pistol which would you buy?

I've shot the omega 9k on that setup. Works quite nicely, and if you have the flashcan handguard fits underthe handguard all awsome like.
But dead air products are solid, and a bit newer in design I feel. You pretty much can't kill the one bigwaylon suggested. One thing that has been mentioned though is that if you shoot hardcast lead, or bullets with exposed lead in general you are likely to want a can you can take apart. Same goes if you like the tula or other Russian ammo.
 
I've shot the omega 9k on that setup. Works quite nicely, and if you have the flashcan handguard fits underthe handguard all awsome like.
But dead air products are solid, and a bit newer in design I feel. You pretty much can't kill the one bigwaylon suggested. One thing that has been mentioned though is that if you shoot hardcast lead, or bullets with exposed lead in general you are likely to want a can you can take apart. Same goes if you like the tula or other Russian ammo.
I like my Omega 9K but SiCo won't get another dollar from me. I have it on my SBR Scorpion with a trilug setup and it seems pretty awesome.
 
I like my Omega 9K but SiCo won't get another dollar from me. I have it on my SBR Scorpion with a trilug setup and it seems pretty awesome.

Oh I was burned too,with their....prolonged issues with their promotion, so I get that, but I also remember the AAC tattoo fiasco from years back, and at least nobody ended up with that again.

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Another option. Would maybe be the sidewinder that yhm makes if you want a decent cheap can that you can clean. They don't seem to get much love though for some reason.
 
I still think the CGS Mod9 SK that can be had for under $400 right now is the deal to beat. It's damn good looking too.
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I’m with @Clicker I wouldn’t buy a sealed pistol can.

That CGS Mod 9 is a sweet setup and they also make a very nice centerfire can
 
You can clean a sealed can with a cheap ultrasonic cleaner (unless it's aluminum) or "the dip". Just make sure you dispose of the waste properly (check local laws and waste management resources).
 
You can clean a sealed can with a cheap ultrasonic cleaner (unless it's aluminum) or "the dip". Just make sure you dispose of the waste properly (check local laws and waste management resources).
Uh no you can't, an USC doesn't work worth a damn on a sealed can.
 
Uh no you can't, an USC doesn't work worth a damn on a sealed can.

Ah my mistake. I remember looking into it and not finding a ton of info that wasn't about chemical solvents. I know Zak with thunderbeast okayed it and so did Todd with dead air but they also said it wasn't worth bothering with. I suppose they might've meant safe to do and not effective. It'd be kinda neat to see if someone with some heavily used cans could test it to put that data out in the wild.
 
Silencer Shop got 550 Wolfmans (or is it Wolfman?) today...not sure if they were all allocated to backorders, or if some are still available.
 
Finally pulled the trigger on a Rugged Osidian 9 in FDE. I already have a rugged Razor Supressor in .223/5.56 and I am very happy with its performance so far.
Now you just need to find somewhere to shoot it. :p
 
Finally pulled the trigger on a Rugged Osidian 9 in FDE. I already have a rugged Razor Supressor in .223/5.56 and I am very happy with its performance so far.

I have the Rugged Obsidian 9 direct thread dedicated on my CZ Scorpion (7.75" barrel and a stock since I Form 1'd the gun as an SBR).

Even though it's longer than some others such as the Omega 9K, the Obsidian 9 is extraordinary quiet with subsonic 147 grain. There's almost no blowback either.

You will be very happy with your choice.

Note: you may be tempted to configure it in its short version, but it will be noticeably louder and not hearing safe. YMMV
 
A Griffin Resistance 9 lives on my Scorpion. Great performance. Turned my Scorpion into the gun I shoot more than any other, including my .22s.
 
Finally pulled the trigger on a Rugged Osidian 9 in FDE. I already have a rugged Razor Supressor in .223/5.56 and I am very happy with its performance so far.
Got the call that my stamp is in. 9 months and 9 days
 
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Got the call that my stamp is in. 9 months and 9 days

Sounds like it was done using a trust -- is that accurate/correct? Asking because the LGS I frequent just reported 5 of them that came back in 5 months, but all stamps were tied to individuals (i.e. not trusts). (Trusts take longer due to ATF-41F. It would be so much simpler and faster if we could list our concealed carry license numbers and have the federal government cross-check the state databases against that for ATF-41F purposes ... at least if all trustees are CCW holders. But, alas, that would be logical, efficient, and make sense -- can't have our government do anything that is logical, efficient, and makes sense, can we?)
 
Sounds like it was done using a trust -- is that accurate/correct? Asking because the LGS I frequent just reported 5 of them that came back in 5 months, but all stamps were tied to individuals (i.e. not trusts). (Trusts take longer due to ATF-41F. It would be so much simpler and faster if we could list our concealed carry license numbers and have the federal government cross-check the state databases against that for ATF-41F purposes ... at least if all trustees are CCW holders. But, alas, that would be logical, efficient, and make sense -- can't have our government do anything that is logical, efficient, and makes sense, can we?)
There’s zero difference in a trust and individual submission as far as time goes. I don’t even send in a copy of my trust, so there’s nothing to check. They run a BGC on one person, me, just like if I was submitting as an individual.

The variance is simply the fact it’s not FIFO. I’ve seen multiple trust approvals from Aug and Sep already come back.
 
There’s zero difference in a trust and individual submission as far as time goes. I don’t even send in a copy of my trust, so there’s nothing to check. They run a BGC on one person, me, just like if I was submitting as an individual.

The variance is simply the fact it’s not FIFO. I’ve seen multiple trust approvals from Aug and Sep already come back.
I'm convinced its its how they cut the pile of forms. Here you get this stack and you over there gets this stack.
 
I'm convinced its its how they cut the pile of forms. Here you get this stack and you over there gets this stack.
That’s absolutely the case. They’re just sitting in boxes in the hallway and storage rooms. And two forms that came in back-to-back end up being the first form on somebody’s stack and the last form in another’s stack.
 
There’s zero difference in a trust and individual submission as far as time goes. I don’t even send in a copy of my trust, so there’s nothing to check. They run a BGC on one person, me, just like if I was submitting as an individual.

The variance is simply the fact it’s not FIFO. I’ve seen multiple trust approvals from Aug and Sep already come back.
Per ATF-41F, all responsible persons of such trusts must complete ATF form 5320.23, National Firearms Act Responsible Person Questionnaire and submit photographs and fingerprints when the trust is listed as the transferee on an application to transfer an NFA firearm. Thereafter, if no changes have been made in the last two years, responsible persons need not submit this again within that period as I understand it.

In my case, all of my NFA purchases were before ATF-41F, so my 2020 purchase was my first post-ATF-41F purchase and, thus, the first such submission of the above for the trust ... and, as I use the trust for proper estate planning purposes, it has more than the typical 1-2 trustees typically found on firearm-specific trusts. It is my understanding from the LGS that it is this what is adding the time for my trust and others (i.e. BG checks on multiple trustees per ATF-41F reqs).

Now, if your trust has only you as trustee, I can see it making no difference...
 
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Your LGS is repeating nonsense. For everything they’ve told you, I could provide examples that say otherwise. But I’m not going to be able to convince you of that, no matter how much I may know about this particular subject...so I’m not gonna try.
 
Indeed, you're correct, as the only authoritative source is, of course, the ATF -- and everyone else, including you (unless you're officially speaking for the ATF), me, my LGS, etc. is non-authoritative. I've never read an official stance on it from the ATF, but I'd love to. I guess I'd like to believe there's more rhyme or reason to it considering the 5 individual ones submitted by the LGS came back and the only trust submitted the same month (earlier in that month, in fact) still didn't ... but it could very well be a matter of whose desk it landed on, who was out sick with COVID, etc. Real humans have to do the work, after all...

Doesn't matter, it gets approved when it gets approved. The longest for me was a year, so far, so anything shorter will seem kind of fast. :)
 
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