The Garands are Coming!

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Hopefully... The Fire Arm Blog is reporting that the Phillippine government will be shipping 86,000 rifles back to the states. I really hope it's true, I need another Garand!
 
There is no set timeline on those yet. They have been approved for return to the Army and the CMP has apparently approved the shipping/transfer costs. But it will not be next week. The CMP folks were talking about them coming back at some point in the future when I was at the Eastern Games in Butner last year.
 
The article says that they COULD be shipping, not that they are. Until the CMP has the rifles in-hand, it's all just speculation.

It would be nice to see the rifles come back to the US but I wouldn't get your hopes up too high. The Philippine Army used the M1 into the 1970's, so I suspect the bulk of the returns won't be in tip-top share (CMP field grade??). I wouldn't hold your breath for any price decreases either.
 
Price decreases are definitely not happening. In fact, I'd bet an increase is coming soon, given how badly the panickers have gridlocked the CMP for the last few years.
 
Price decreases are definitely not happening. In fact, I'd bet an increase is coming soon, given how badly the panickers have gridlocked the CMP for the last few years.


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I probably should have said no price decreases "from the CMP" to be more accurate. I guess when all the usual CMP resellers fill their gunshow tables with these new Filipino rack grades, the prices THERE may drop a little. But I'd bet you'll still be paying a lot more than CMP prices for them if you go that route.
 
".....the CMP has apparently approved the shipping/transfer costs."

I don't know what the arrangement is with the US military on the rifles CMP has received previously but I'll bet the transportation costs were quite a bit less than what it will cost to ship from the Phillipines. This has to affect the final selling price.

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Expect LOTS of junk... many garands and carbines there were fresh from rebuild in the white VCI bags.... however they slit the bags to confirm the serial numbers and left them in an old aircraft hanger. So "new" rifles covered in rust in the VCI bag.. SMH

The real bonus is getting all the spare parts that are in storage there... That will help build up more rifles.
 
I just want a chance to get a Winchester and/or IHC from CMP, hopefully without having to win a lottery first.
 
I've always wanted a garand, but but at the prices they typically go for, I feel I can get something better, even if its slightly less 'cool'
 
It is kind of hard to get a bad one from the CMP, if you buy a service grade or better. Heck, even the field grades are pretty good shooters. And considering people are paying damn near $300 for Hex Mosins at retail now, if the CMP keeps their current prices static, $630 for a field grade Garand is gonna be a steal.
 
I'm more worried of pitted receivers, out of spec. These will have the most wear as I don't think Philly made their own, although I could be wrong...CMP doesn't know what they are getting until it's in their hands.
 
Any word on the stores of M1 Garands, M1 Carbines and 1903s that the South Koreans wanted to sell back to the US?
 
Back in the day, Century Arms had worked out a deal to buy and import those to the U.S., but the Obama administration blocked their return (along with any other US Military weapons on the public market). It will take legislation (and/or Trump) to clear that block to allow Century or some other private entity to import these. Having said that, those rifles are pretty much all just rusty, worn out junk now, according to everybody with inside knowledge of those rifles. Worse, because they will have to come in through a private entity, the price is speculated to be $1500+ and up for what would essentially be a low grade rack grade rifle through CMP.
 
Damn shame! I still want another one. I should have never gotten rid of the one I had!
 
Although not WWII correct, a .308 Garand is Navy correct. The US Navy ordered some in .308 in the 50's early 60's. I have a CMP Special in .308 and I like it a lot. The receiver and parts are US Springfield Armory, but the barrel is a new Criterion barrel and the stocks are new Boyd stocks. It look like it is ready to issue and shoots good too. It is handy because it uses the same ammo as my two M1A's which was a causative factor in going .308. The CMP Special was or is available in 30-06 also.
 
Although not WWII correct, a .308 Garand is Navy correct. The US Navy ordered some in .308 in the 50's early 60's. I have a CMP Special in .308 and I like it a lot. The receiver and parts are US Springfield Armory, but the barrel is a new Criterion barrel and the stocks are new Boyd stocks. It look like it is ready to issue and shoots good too. It is handy because it uses the same ammo as my two M1A's which was a causative factor in going .308. The CMP Special was or is available in 30-06 also.

I have a .308 Special as well. It works great. Only problem I had was when my lefty friend shot it, he got beamed in the forehead by brass. Gave him a nice welt, one would have hit him in the eye if he was not wearing glasses. Some things don't work exactly right when you change calibers I guess haha.
 
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Let's assume that the rifles come in in the same shape as the previous stock of rifles and it's like they just restocked what was already there. What will be the most desirable rifles/what will sell out first?
 
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I imagine they'll sell pretty quickly. People are going to be buying as many rifles as the CMP will allow.
 
Let's assume that the rifles come in in the same shape as the previous stock of rifles and it like they just restocked what was already there. What will be the most desirable rifles/what will sell out first?

International Harvesters. A lot of them went over there. I got one in the batch imported in the 80s that was 100% correct. Kid you not. Didn't look the greatest, but it was as it came off the line at IHC with respect to parts.
 
I have been pleasantly surprised at the general trend in firearms and ammo, both in terms of availability and price (supply and demand) that has occurred since Trump took office. The general "vibe" is that there is no need to panic under this admin, that guns are not under the authority or presumed authority of some bunch of anti gun zealots, and that prices are relaxing. I fully expected this title to be referencing the Korean M1s that were due to be reimported and then quashed by Obama. I don't know if they are still stored, destroyed or what, but it would not surprise me to see a number of these rifles now mothballed around the world to be returning.

Elections have consequences.
 
I have been pleasantly surprised at the general trend in firearms and ammo, both in terms of availability and price (supply and demand) that has occurred since Trump took office. The general "vibe" is that there is no need to panic under this admin, that guns are not under the authority or presumed authority of some bunch of anti gun zealots, and that prices are relaxing. I fully expected this title to be referencing the Korean M1s that were due to be reimported and then quashed by Obama. I don't know if they are still stored, destroyed or what, but it would not surprise me to see a number of these rifles now mothballed around the world to be returning.

Elections have consequences.

I am no fan of the past administration and agree completely with your assessment above. Hard to know what is rumor and what is fact, especially where past administrations are concerned. I was discussing the Philippine M1s last week with a friend who deals regularly with CMP. His comment was, "expect the Philippine rifles when you see them. They will have to be completely serviced and graded at CMP once they are returned, and there is no telling how many people/volunteers they have to do it." He also said that the Korean return was cancelled when the Koreans wanted the U.S. gov't to "buy back" the weapons. We gave them to them gratis and now, on return, they want to be paid? I would desperately like to have a couple M1s, but not that way, if true.
 
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Hopefully... The Fire Arm Blog is reporting that the Phillippine government will be shipping 86,000 rifles back to the states. I really hope it's true, I need another Garand!

This was posted on the CMP forum today, from Mark Johnson, CMP COO-


The CMP had to pay DLA to repack the Garands in the Philippines. The wood crates could not be imported due to possible termite infestation. The new containers CMP had to pay for... The rifles had to be cleaned because of dust on the rifles was thought to contain asbestos, which CMP had to pay for. Every rifle now has a "no asbstos" clean bill of health, that CMP had to pay for... The boat had to have maintenance done before leaving the dock, that CMP had to pay for. The boat could not ship anything other than the rifles, so CMP had to pay for the entire boat... The boat is due into port around 10 Jan. 44 trucks later we should be seeing them late Jan at our docks, that CMP paid for...

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Mark Johnson, CMP Chief Operating Officer

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This was posted on the CMP forum today, from Mark Johnson, CMP COO-


The CMP had to pay DLA to repack the Garands in the Philippines. The wood crates could not be imported due to possible termite infestation. The new containers CMP had to pay for... The rifles had to be cleaned because of dust on the rifles was thought to contain asbestos, which CMP had to pay for. Every rifle now has a "no asbstos" clean bill of health, that CMP had to pay for... The boat had to have maintenance done before leaving the dock, that CMP had to pay for. The boat could not ship anything other than the rifles, so CMP had to pay for the entire boat... The boat is due into port around 10 Jan. 44 trucks later we should be seeing them late Jan at our docks, that CMP paid for...

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Mark Johnson, CMP Chief Operating Officer

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“Here is a bunch of really lame excuses, just so you don’t think about it too hard when we rip your pockets off for a Garand.” All I herd....
 
Geez... They'll be charging some hefty prices for those things now!
 
“Here is a bunch of really lame excuses, just so you don’t think about it too hard when we rip your pockets off for a Garand.” All I herd....
well to get anything done over there it requires "grease".... had a friend that went out there and picked out some garands for import back in the late 80's early 90's...for Davidsons in Greensboro no-less...turns out every piece of paper over there and everyone's brother needed "greased" to get them moved...eventually it cost more to grease them than you could sell them for...and so they stayed...
 
Although not WWII correct, a .308 Garand is Navy correct. The US Navy ordered some in .308 in the 50's early 60's. I have a CMP Special in .308 and I like it a lot. The receiver and parts are US Springfield Armory, but the barrel is a new Criterion barrel and the stocks are new Boyd stocks. It look like it is ready to issue and shoots good too. It is handy because it uses the same ammo as my two M1A's which was a causative factor in going .308. The CMP Special was or is available in 30-06 also.

Which begs the question: why are they not competition correct?
 
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