fake meat at all KFC, Pizza Hut, Taco Bell, and McDonald's.

Yeah that crap isn't good for you. We have gotten nutrition so backwards over the last couple of decades. Grass fed beef is just about the most nutrient dense food on Earth. Whole eggs are too. Fake meat made of plants is just as much processed garbage as kids cereals, sodas, and diet cookies.
 
NKD said:
It’s strange to me that vegetarians hate meat, but buy products that.....are made to emulate.....meat?
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That’s like a lesbian wanting to be a man so she can be a gay man. Wrap your head around that one!
 
The idea of plant based proteins is nothing new and I think will become and important part of feeding the world population just like rice and other grains have been historically. Producing a high protein content product from plant based things is an idea worth exploring. What I do not understand is the desire to make it meat like. I eat fair amount of beans, legumes tofu and plant based proteins but I don't need them to look and cook like hamburger or chicken.
 
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Im looking forward to the day when meat is grown in vitro . Roasts of whatever size, flavor and texture profile you want grown from bio engineered stem cells in indistrial tanks. Cuts of meat that surpass anything an animal is capable of producing with an ecologically clean footprint. It may not happen in my lifetime but it will happen within the next 100 years.

Vegetarians will still bitch.
 
wvsig said:
The idea of plant based proteins is nothing new and I think will become and important part of feeding the world population just like rice and other grains have been historically. Producing a high protein content product from plant based things is an idea worth exploring. What I do not understand is the desire to make it meat like. I eat fair amount of beans, legumes tofu and plant based proteins but I don't need them to look and cook like hamburger or chicken.
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I think they are trying to reduce demand for farmed meat because they think it is bad for the environment. In the case of factory farms, they well may be right. But on smaller scale (and grass-based especially) beef, chickens, pigs, sheep, etc are part of a perfectly funtioning system.
 
The impossible whopper and the beyond burger are actually pretty good but then i noticed the calories were the same as the real meat versions.
I occasionally still buy one not for the health benefits obviously but because they taste good
Just my two cents.
 
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DurhamDad said:
I think they are trying to reduce demand for farmed meat because they think it is bad for the environment. In the case of factory farms, they well may be right. But on smaller scale (and grass-based especially) beef, chickens, pigs, sheep, etc are part of a perfectly funtioning system.
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I think that this is true. The demand for inexpensive meat all over the world is eventually going to break the ecosystem. The problem is people are not willing to pay the price for smaller scale meat production. I buy local pork and beef but I also buy commercial stuff from the production environment. The small scale stuff is much tastier and better for me but the cost is 2-3X a much as Food Lion. That is why I think that as population grows were are going to need more less environmentally taxing high protein sources "beyond meat". LOL The mass market meat production that is currently happening is unsustainable. IMHO
 
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Lots of rain forest left to burn down to make grazing land.

Maybe we should tax red meat and heavily processed foods, making nutritious and environmentally less destructive products more affordable. Taxing always works, right?

I’d be happy to exclude meat and highly processed foods (life cereal, candy, soda, etc) from the food subsidy programs.
 
So is it just a global deal to sell the beyond meat products at all locations or is it moving to ONLY non-meat
There is a difference and the thread title makes it seem like if you go to those places youre getting fed fake meat.
 
wvsig said:
I think that this is true. The demand for inexpensive meat all over the world is eventually going to break the ecosystem. The problem is people are not willing to pay the price for smaller scale meat production. I buy local pork and beef but I also buy commercial stuff from the production environment. The small scale stuff is much tastier and better for me but the cost is 2-3X a much as Food Lion. That is why I think that as population grows were are going to need more less taxing high protein sources "beyond meat". LOL The mass market meat production that is currently happening is unsustainable. IMHO
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I can enjoy a certain amount of tofu like you mentioned before, but based on my limited knowledge of the new fake beef I shudder at the thought of the chemical engineering and processing that makes it possible. How many of the chemical ingredients are from China? Time will tell if it's really less energy intensive/ environmentally taxing overall. I guess we could also switch to crickets and mealworms... Yum.
 
The Beyond Meat CEO also claims that fake meat will 100% replace real meat by 2030. Certainly not by free market forces. The ONLY chance if that happening is farms being legislated out of existence but then we’ll have a prohibition-like market for meat.

Good for them for their deal, nothing wrong with offering people more options. The problem comes in when they try to force it on people. I could see the fast food chains begin using 20% fake meat in their mix for things like burgers or nuggets if cost comes down enough.
 
NKD said:
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we don't. people keep giving it to us. whether we want it or not.
I eat it to be polite and because i don't like seeing food go to waste.
the only stuff i ever look for myself is morningstar farms breakfast sausage patties. I've bought some of the fieldroast brand fake sausages too, but that's because they're tasty, not because they're attempting to be sausage.
I've tried the BEYOND stuff and i'm fine without it. it's a solution in search of a problem.
My wife keeps buying fake meat things for me. I tell her not to, but she doesn't listen. I eat them because we have them and they're protein.
And i'm at over 25 years of not eating meat. I don't hate it. I'll cook it for you. I cook meat for my wife or help her make her own pretty frequently. I just don't feel the need to make the fuzzywuzzies die for my snacks. but that's me. I'll kill pest animals. I'd have no problem going hunting and giving the meat to others or a food bank. I just don't want to kill things if I don't have to. And yeah, i'm kind of against factory farming because that's often pretty cruel.
 
DrScaryGuy said:
we don't. people keep giving it to us. whether we want it or not.
I eat it to be polite and because i don't like seeing food go to waste.
the only stuff i ever look for myself is morningstar farms breakfast sausage patties. I've bought some of the fieldroast brand fake sausages too, but that's because they're tasty, not because they're attempting to be sausage.
I've tried the BEYOND stuff and i'm fine without it. it's a solution in search of a problem.
My wife keeps buying fake meat things for me. I tell her not to, but she doesn't listen. I eat them because we have them and they're protein.
And i'm at over 25 years of not eating meat. I don't hate it. I'll cook it for you. I cook meat for my wife or help her make her own pretty frequently. I just don't feel the need to make the fuzzywuzzies die for my snacks. but that's me. I'll kill pest animals. I'd have no problem going hunting and giving the meat to others or a food bank. I just don't want to kill things if I don't have to. And yeah, i'm kind of against factory farming because that's often pretty cruel.
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I know lots of vegetarians, including my girlfriend of 16 years, and many in fact do. I understand you don't, but you certainly don't speak for all of them.
 
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I know lots of vegetarians, including my girlfriend of 16 years, and many in fact do. I understand you don't, but you certainly don't speak for all of them.
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me? odd? no way!
If i wanted something that was identical to meat, i'd eat meat...
 
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me? odd? no way!
If i wanted something that was identical to meat, i'd eat meat...
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flavor and seasoning is what we're after not the actual taste of the meat.
 
My main problem with meat substitutes and soy in general is the massive doses of estrogen are making high consumption men into emasculated parodies. They tested the 20 something buzz feed crew for an article (all of whom adore soylent etc) and they had less testosterone than most 90 year Olds. Which may be the point of this, to breed effeminate ineffectual puppet males rather than actual males. The sort you see a ton of in leftist protests..... All gurning their soyboy face and crying over video game releases.
 
I don't mind adding things to the menu. Choices are good.

But the drive to make plant sourced proteins taste like meat is driven by two factors, in my opinion:

1. Guilt. This is two sided: to assuage the guilt of those who feel bad about animal deaths supporting their own diet and as a driving factor to encourage the spread of vegetarian and vegan lifestyles.

2. Increase our food sources and choices.

Of these two, guilt is the major contributor.

I don't mind variety. Heck, I'll eat anything and I have had meat substitutes as part of this philosophy. Some are pretty good. Some are "meh".

This country is NOT representative of the dietary habits of the rest of the world in so many ways it's not even funny. The meat market in this country is nearly completely about the muscle meat and very little of the rest of the animals we raise and slaughter for food. There are a great many nutrients we DON'T get from meat in this country simply because we either don't consume so much of the rest of the animal, or we process/cook it out of it.

Likewise, there are so many other food sources we don't consume simply because our culture makes it "disgusting" or "illegal". Insects are a major food source in many parts of the world, for example. Our vegetable/fruit diversity in this country is so concentrated around a narrow grouping that many of us don't get past major veggies like green beans, potatoes, squash, lettuce (if ever there was a "food" that was completely devoid of nutrition, it's lettuce), carrots, etc.

When was the last time any of us had swiss chard, for example? And that's a simple one.

There are likewise TONS of grains not consumed in this country for the same reason...it's simply not part of our economic and cultural sphere. We ship ox tails to Mexico for profit because there's literally no market for it here in the U.S. And there are people who think this is somehow taking advantage of Mexican people because we're literally sending them ox tails instead of prime beef steak in its place.

I have a vegetarian/vegan daughter. She's this way simple because she doesn't like the thought of killing an animal for food. But she finds it extremely wasteful of those who do when they waste so much of the animal in the first place. If you want to eat a steak in front of her, she's fine with that. She's made her choice for her reasons and considers it up to other people to make their own decisions for their own reasons.

Me? If it's food, put it in front of me and I'll eat it. If I don't like it, I won't go back for seconds.

But don't force an ideology on me about food. Because despite what some people claim/believe, we're omnivores by nature. We just have the added benefit of being able to work around that as we choose, on an intellectual level, which our animal cousins do not have.
 
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My main problem with meat substitutes and soy in general is the massive doses of estrogen are making high consumption men into emasculated parodies. They tested the 20 something buzz feed crew for an article (all of whom adore soylent etc) and they had less testosterone than most 90 year Olds. Which may be the point of this, to breed effeminate ineffectual puppet males rather than actual males. The sort you see a ton of in leftist protests..... All gurning their soyboy face and crying over video game releases.
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I had mine tested back around age 30. it was not low. not high, but not low. dr asked why i wanted it tested. i said it was because i was just tired a lot and not motivated. dr reminded me that i was working overtime midnights, doing full time grad school in the day, still finding time to pick up chicks and party, and volunteering on the weekends, and that i was lucky i was tired instead of just dead.
then again, as i mentioned, i don't go out of my way to eat soy stuff...
 
NCLivingBrit said:
My main problem with meat substitutes and soy in general is the massive doses of estrogen are making high consumption men into emasculated parodies. They tested the 20 something buzz feed crew for an article (all of whom adore soylent etc) and they had less testosterone than most 90 year Olds. Which may be the point of this, to breed effeminate ineffectual puppet males rather than actual males. The sort you see a ton of in leftist protests..... All gurning their soyboy face and crying over video game releases.
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I’m guessing this is in jest and not actually how you feel.
 
amnesia said:
I’m guessing this is in jest and not actually how you feel.
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Nope, it's a bit hyperbole laden but I genuinely believe this is why they're pushing the soy meat and soy based food replacement so hard.
 
NCLivingBrit said:
Nope, it's a bit hyperbole laden but I genuinely believe this is why they're pushing the soy meat and soy based food replacement so hard.
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call me crazy, but i'm more than happy to do a half pound of beans, cook a half pound of rice in the leftover bean juice, toss in some shredded cheese and hotsauce or a few spoons of salsa. I can eat that for days at a time.
if i could freeze dry that, i'd live happily in the apocalypse. Then again, dry beans and dry rice pretty much are freeze dried and just require water and heat... It's almost like i should have a few pounds of each stored for emergencies.
 
two fingers said:
Yeah that crap isn't good for you. We have gotten nutrition so backwards over the last couple of decades. Grass fed beef is just about the most nutrient dense food on Earth. Whole eggs are too. Fake meat made of plants is just as much processed garbage as kids cereals, sodas, and diet cookies.
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Yep, I am low carb intermittent and 40lbs lighter, all vitals normal. I can actually eat anything I want on the weekends now and it's back to normal Wed. Fat adapted. I burn everything. Bacon by the truck load.
 
Catfish said:
The CEO is doing his job and promoting his company.
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Yes, and no doubt also making the appropriate campaign contributions and lobbyist payments to get laws or agency regulations in place to promote his company's products and impede or crush his competition!
 
Near meat. Remember TVP. That is what they served us in high school in the 70's. It was inedible then, inedible now. Just SAY NO TO NOT MEAT!!!
 
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