National Reciprocity

Although I haven't checked my email yet to complete the process, it's done. As soon as I log onto my email, I'll complete the process. Sorry. I know I could've just typed "Done".:D
 
I will reiterate my position on this every time it comes up:. I am hesitant to further diminish the 10th Amendment and give the federal government a say in something they quite clearly have no legitimate authority in regulating (.....shall not be infringed.)

The federal government is cancer that destroys anything it touches. National Reciprocity promulgated from DC will eventually come with federally mandated requirements and check boxes, along with some form of certification/licensing scheme - and all the hard work that has seen concealed carry make huge strides in the last 20 years will be swept away.

We're already winning the fight over carry Rights without Washington, DC.

People see this as a means to force Anti-Rights shitholes like NY, California and Illinois into submission. What it will really be is a federal yoke upon every State in the union.
 
That which @SPM warns is a risk. However, i would argue that the Fed has a duty to uphold the 2nd and that duty is implicit. It's similar to them having a duty to thwart illegal immigrants. We should've forcing them to live up to those kinds of duties as well as stopping them when they violate their constraints. The states have no grounds to restrict the 2nd either by some of them do and citizens of other states pay the price. Unless we're going to have a physical fight about it, getting Uncle to uphol the 2nd would be the best alternative.
 
SPM said:
I will reiterate my position on this every time it comes up:. I am hesitant to further diminish the 10th Amendment and give the federal government a say in something they quite clearly have no legitimate authority in regulating (.....shall not be infringed.)

The federal government is cancer that destroys anything it touches. National Reciprocity promulgated from DC will eventually come with federally mandated requirements and check boxes, along with some form of certification/licensing scheme - and all the hard work that has seen concealed carry make huge strides in the last 20 years will be swept away.

We're already winning the fight over carry Rights without Washington, DC.

People see this as a means to force Anti-Rights shitholes like NY, California and Illinois into submission. What it will really be is a federal yoke upon every State in the union.
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Having been a Special Agent in a major federal law enforcement agency for over 27 years and now age-related retired, I had more than one occasion to be a "fly on the wall" while observing the political machinations of our elected Representatives and Congressmen (non-gender specific). I liken National Reciprocity to allowing the camel to stick his nose under the tent flap. Simply put, National Reciprocity = National Registration.
 
My concealed weapon permit is valid in most of the states that I want to visit. The rest of them I could care less about. We need to keep the federal government out of our lives as much as possible. When will people realize that the federal government is composed of millions of people who have their own system of laws, ethics, and morals. They do not care about you, your family, or what you may believe. Even Congress and the President have no control over them. They may both pass laws or executive orders but the huge federal bureaucracy and their untold number of minions decide how they will be interpreted and how they will be enforced. As one that has worked for them that's just the way it is. If you don't believe me pick up a copy of the Federal Register sometime, all zillion pages of it! That's where a simple law passed by Congress gets reworked by the bureaucrats to fit their agenda. By the time they get through with it it has nothing to do with the original intent of the law. These are the same people that will rewrite the national reciprocity bill based on their interpretation and views, not yours or your elected officials.
 
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Done.

Totally understand and mostly agree with @SPM however I also agree with @noway2. Bottom line, this would be a big win for gun owners and I'm all for it.
 
o2l said:
Having been a Special Agent in a major federal law enforcement agency for over 27 years and now age-related retired, I had more than one occasion to be a "fly on the wall" while observing the political machinations of our elected Representatives and Congressmen (non-gender specific). I liken National Reciprocity to allowing the camel to stick his nose under the tent flap. Simply put, National Reciprocity = National Registration.
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The way I look at that is this... I have CCW in NC... guess I'm now NC registered right? Why would it bother me to be nationally registered if it permits me to legally conceal carry nationwide?
 
I don't know if it was said here already. National reciprocity is useless unless it preempts all stupid local gun laws. Hell, even a NY carry permit is no good in NY city -- WTF
of course, criminals are exempt from any laws!
 
noway2 said:
However, i would argue that the Fed has a duty to uphold the 2nd...
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The citizenry has a duty to uphold it, as well, independent of what Uncle thinks of the right and irregardless of whether or not he does his job to preserve/protect it.
 
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The citizenry has a duty to uphold it, as well, independent of what Uncle thinks of the right and irregardless of whether or not he does his job to preserve/protect it.
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That sounds all well and good, but we aren't invading NYC or California anytime soon and their populations could care less. It's a tricky situation at best...
 
bigfelipe said:
That sounds all well and good, but we aren't invading NYC or California anytime soon and their populations couldn't care less...
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Some of them do...

Part of the citizenry in NY and CA have engaged in open civil disobedience and I believe it's safe to say many have done so sub rosa.
 
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