Holster/Gear for Run and Gun?

Supermatch said:

Are any of you running a leg strap attachment on your holsters?

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I do. I have the holster a little below belt line (like a Safariland UBL mid ride provides) and use a leg strap to help hold it in place. I use one from a company called Zulu Nylon Gear, seems like Trex arms makes a popular one. I’m sure there are plenty of others. I think you would want some stretch for running/moving, just need it to provide a little resistance for the draw.

Some people have the holster higher / closer to belt height. When I wear a holster like that, I don’t use a leg strap. Just depends on what feels good to you.

RSKYBSNS said:

Heres my RnG kit. Safariland ALS is the way to go for me. On my belt I use 3 Kywi pistol mag holders. So, 60 on belt and 20 in gun since we can carry hot pistol in RnG. 3 ar mags on simple chest rig, again Kywis. 1 ar mag on belt, gets me well over the round count for most RnGs but is also a really handy deal for 2 gun matches since I'm not running my chest rig for those.
Usually have my camelbak for water.
Did a Sniper/DMR RnG and ran the camelbak, it has a few pouches I stuffed some extra mags in just so I'd have a fresh mag for each stage. Didn't wanna bother with stripping and reloading mags while running and definitelydidnt wanna reload during the stage if I didn't have to. So using your hydration pack as something other than a water resource is definitely a viable option too.
Keep it simple, so less thinky when comes time to do-ey. But robust because rocks, mud, sand, briars, thorns, slings and things will surely test your equipment's ruggedness and it's retention.
Oh, and a multitool isn't a bad thing to have either. Other than that, I'd leave all the other fancy gazmos and gidgets at the truck.

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Dude....that brake.

I award you no points.

=)

dct said:

I do. I have the holster a little below belt line (like a Safariland UBL mid ride provides) and use a leg strap to help hold it in place. I use one from a company called Zulu Nylon Gear, seems like Trex arms makes a popular one. I’m sure there are plenty of others. I think you would want some stretch for running/moving, just need it to provide a little resistance for the draw.

Some people have the holster higher / closer to belt height. When I wear a holster like that, I don’t use a leg strap. Just depends on what feels good to you.

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It’s a cheap enough add on for the Dara that I may get it to have. My main thing is that I hate stuff bouncing around, but I’ve also got thick midget legs so I hate things chafing me. Will just have to try it and see which I prefer.

Tim said:

Dude....that brake.

I award you no points.

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I've definitely brake blasted you my fair share😅 sorry, but thank the ATF for not letting this be a thing sooner.
Alas, she has a muffler. Got it just for you! Not because I wanted one or anything crazy like that...
Just be sure to award me the civilized shooter bonus points now hahaha

RSKYBSNS said:

I've definitely brake blasted you my fair share😅 sorry, but thank the ATF for not letting this be a thing sooner.
Alas, she has a muffler. Got it just for you! Not because I wanted one or anything crazy like that...
Just be sure to award me the civilized shooter bonus points now hahaha

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That's mo better.

Picked up the Kore battle belt and a Dara Level II holster with leg strap. Initial impressions is that the Dara holster is good quality, I like the hood release, and the QD is a worthwhile option for removing the holster without having to take the entire belt off. The leg strap doesn’t seem to irritate me on first impression, but the setup is solid enough that most people wouldn’t feel like the holster is bouncing around, at least not at the default height. Retention is excellent without the hood. Anything taller than a standard Holosun optic will need the extra tall hood to clear the optic when it swings forward. At 3:00, it sits just low enough with the Rival for my arms not to hit in “jog mode”.

The Kore belt was easy to set up. They have an included special tape measure that gets the size pretty close to perfect based on pant size. If you leave a little extra, it won’t work, so don’t bother. They’ve already factored that in. I probably need to take about an inch off, but will hold off in case I pork out a bit (I’m ratcheted in all the way). If your belt loops will fit a normal Kore EDC belt, it will fit the battle belt, so no hunting for special pants to take a 1.75” belt loop. Both the inner and outer belts have the plastic core.

I also ordered a pair of Polonium K suppressors. I was needing two more full time suppressors for my 16" guns, and I very much prefer shooting suppressed over a standard brake/flash hider, but recognized the need to keep things lightweight. Since my Lahar 30's are considerably heavier, I found the K's in stock at Primary Arms, which are lighter than both my Lahars and Velos at 11.5 oz compared to 16.6 oz and 15.2 oz respectively.

Supermatch said:

Are any of you running a leg strap attachment on your holsters?

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Yes. The Dara one that comes with their holster is good.

I use this one with Safariland/QLS and it’s great. Much more comfy👍🏻

I’ve used DARA for a couple years now. Usually the QD mount on the hanger that’s not quite a “drop leg”, but rides a bit lower than belt height. I used their leg strap on 1 run and found it wasn’t really necessary.

Will be running (mosey-ing) the River Bend R-n-Gun next weekend with the 2-loop belt mount instead of the QD. Purpose is to get the setup a bit tighter to the body compared to the QD mount. I got my sling caught on the holster last run ‘cause it does stand off the body a lil bit.

Learn from my experience….even if you use thread locker, give all of the screws a quick check before taking off. I spent 1/2 a run last summer carrying my holster in-hand because the mount came loose.

Tim said:

I’ve used DARA for a couple years now. Usually the QD mount on the hanger that’s not quite a “drop leg”, but rides a bit lower than belt height. I used their leg strap on 1 run and found it wasn’t really necessary.

Will be running (mosey-ing) the River Bend R-n-Gun next weekend with the 2-loop belt mount instead of the QD. Purpose is to get the setup a bit tighter to the body compared to the QD mount. I got my sling caught on the holster last run ‘cause it does stand off the body a lil bit.

Learn from my experience….even if you use thread locker, give all of the screws a quick check before taking off. I spent 1/2 a run last summer carrying my holster in-hand because the mount came loose.

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I'm curious how much the 2 loop stands off compared to the QD. I ended up going with the QD mount in part because it looked like it actually tucked a bit closer to the body than the QD did. Though I do like the idea of being able to pop the holster off quickly, especially if doing something like wading through water and being able to keep your rifle and pistol from being submerged.

Supermatch said:

I'm curious how much the 2 loop stands off compared to the QD. I ended up going with the QD mount in part because it looked like it actually tucked a bit closer to the body than the QD did. Though I do like the idea of being able to pop the holster off quickly, especially if doing something like wading through water and being able to keep your rifle and pistol from being submerged.

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Give me a minute and I’ll snap pics. Curious myself

@Supermatch

Same pistol, same tension on the belts. The black holster shell is with a light, the FDE without. I tried to catch the same angle for both.

Tim said:

@Supermatch

Same pistol, same tension on the belts. The black holster shell is with a light, the FDE without. I tried to catch the same angle for both.

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Is that the straight drop attachment, or the offset drop? At least for the Rival, you couldn't order it with a straight drop. I'm not sure of that's due to the overall width/thumb lever or some other reason.

Supermatch said:

Is that the straight drop attachment, or the offset drop? At least for the Rival, you couldn't order it with a straight drop. I'm not sure of that's due to the overall width/thumb lever or some other reason.

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No drop. Just the QD hangar.

Tim said:

No drop. Just the QD hangar.

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Ok, that makes more sense.

Wilmingtonppb said:

Oh almost certainly. Here are pics

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That's some super janky crap right there. Maybe get a soft uncle mikes holster to with it.

I have a T Rex holster, I use my old boot blousing bands as retention bungies.

Re: drop holsters/thigh rigs, we had them on deployment and they would catch on everything. Not a fan.

Re: water, for a 5k I'm not sure I'd carry it unless it's hot/humid, but then I definitely would and I'd add liquid IV or something.

Chuckman said:

I have a T Rex holster, I use my old boot blousing bands as retention bungies.

Re: drop holsters/thigh rigs, we had them on deployment and they would catch on everything. Not a fan.

Re: water, for a 5k I'm not sure I'd carry it unless it's hot/humid, but then I definitely would and I'd add liquid IV or something.

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I don’t breathe through my nose well, so having even a small amount of water on me helps a lot. The short runs I’ve been doing to help build up my cardio and shed some pounds, I’ve been using one of those soft flasks that hold a few ounces and it helps a ton, even if only for dry mouth. Summer in the Carolinas, I’m dying after 10 feet without water.

Chuckman said:

Re: water, for a 5k I'm not sure I'd carry it unless it's hot/humid, but then I definitely would and I'd add liquid IV or something.

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I wouldn’t carry water for a normal 5k run (probably not even a 10k unless the weather was horrible) but I think I have always carried some water on a RNG. I’m certainly not winning and water is heavy but these events are often during horribly hot and humid weather. And one thing to keep in mind is even if you are going fast you may end up stuck with wait time for stages which means you stand around outside waiting and at that point as a competitor you can’t do anything to avoid it. Seems like it’s getting better but once at a 5k RNG I did had one stage with close to 1.5hrs of wait time. That’s extreme and the match directors want to avoid it, but I was especially thankful that I had water that day.

Supermatch said:

I don’t breathe through my nose well, so having even a small amount of water on me helps a lot. The short runs I’ve been doing to help build up my cardio and shed some pounds, I’ve been using one of those soft flasks that hold a few ounces and it helps a ton, even if only for dry mouth. Summer in the Carolinas, I’m dying after 10 feet without water.

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Oh yeah, for obligate mouth breathers you have to do something for a little moisture.

When I was having radiation my mouth got extremely dry, and even now I don't have some salivary glands because of it. They make these lozenges that just melt an add a little moisture to your mouth. I use those when I run sometimes.

Variable said:

That's some super janky crap right there. Maybe get a soft uncle mikes holster to with it.

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Why thank you.... For something I planned to use a grand total of 3-5 times, it worked great. What do you use at the tactical games? And FWIW, not many people make a holster for a Mark 23. I wanted to have fun and shoot that, and this solution worked great.

There's a lot of pistols you can't find good retention holsters for. Speaking of jank, anyone tried one of these fruit rollup holsters?

Interestingly, the cheap stretchy strap around the end of the gun is exactly what Jerry Miculek used when I saw him shoot a big 3gun match at Woodys.
Also, he didn't charge his pistol prior to big stages. Which I found interesting.
Apparently he had a gun come out once.

Bit different game but when consider long stages where rifle, pistol, and many many 30-40 shotshells are carried on body and many different positions it can be pretty busy.

NKD said:

Bit different game

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This really is the critical comment in your post.

3-Gun...yeah, I wouldn't bother with Level II and wouldn't worry about the 'bungee' approach. I've never seen a 3-Gun where the shooter is traversing a waist deep swamp, climbing a wall or crawling under barbed wire.

Tim said:

This really is the critical comment in your post.

3-Gun...yeah, I wouldn't bother with Level II and wouldn't worry about the 'bungee' approach. I've never seen a 3-Gun where the shooter is traversing a waist deep swamp, climbing a wall or crawling under barbed wire.

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Indeed. Barbed wire could present a problem no doubt.

What do you guys like for belt-mounted pistol/AR mag pouches/carrier? Probably looking at running 2 pistol and 2 rifle for the June RnG.

Supermatch said:

What do you guys like for belt-mounted pistol/AR mag pouches/carrier? Probably looking at running 2 pistol and 2 rifle for the June RnG.

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I've always used HSGI stuff (taco's), works for me, but a lot of other people use other products.

This is what I run on my belt:

Chest rigs are the “norm” and can get super spendy. I have a high dollar one now - and don’t see any advantage over the $60 Condor’s from Amazon.

I picked up one of these off a prize table recently. A GREAT option for the price.


This will be a shorter “run”, but for a longer course print you plan on doing more of these, I’d really recommend getting the weight off your hips.

I tend to carry 1 each rifle and pistol mag on my belt for mid-stage reloads.

I also try to carry 1 mag per stage so I can always start a stage with a full mag.

I bought a

Tim said:

$60 Condor’s from Amazon.

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so I'm hoping it'll hold up for a "test" R&G type event. Mine is the vest-style, unbuckles from the front. I thought/think it would be easier to get in & out of, and be less intrusive for prone shooting.

What's weird to me at this early stage is having gear up so high on my torso. Definitely takes getting used to.

Tim said:

This is what I run on my belt:

TACOS

The High Speed Gear company, is dedicated to building the best 100% American-made, Battle-Proven Tactical Gear. Our products are designed for the highest level of comfort, functionality, and versatility. Satisfaction is guaranteed for all our customers, whether military, law enforcement or...

www.highspeedgear.com

Chest rigs are the “norm” and can get super spendy. I have a high dollar one now - and don’t see any advantage over the $60 Condor’s from Amazon.

I picked up one of these off a prize table recently. A GREAT option for the price.

Chest Rigs – KRATE Tactical

Posts about Chest Rigs written by Carrington Goldsmith

kratetactical.com

This will be a shorter “run”, but for a longer course print you plan on doing more of these, I’d really recommend getting the weight off your hips.

I tend to carry 1 each rifle and pistol mag on my belt for mid-stage reloads.

I also try to carry 1 mag per stage so I can always start a stage with a full mag.

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Its funny, I hear half the crowd say get the weight off your back, and half say get the weight off your hips. I know running with a plate carrier absolutely destroys my knees, so I'm going to see how it does carrying most of the weight on my hips and the rest of my mags in a hydration pack.

Windini said:

I bought a

so I'm hoping it'll hold up for a "test" R&G type event. Mine is the vest-style, unbuckles from the front. I thought/think it would be easier to get in & out of, and be less intrusive for prone shooting.

What's weird to me at this early stage is having gear up so high on my torso. Definitely takes getting used to.

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That’ll work perfectly.

For pistol mag pouches, after my first RNG (stowed mags in a backpack for my first one) I bought some cheap condor double mag pouches because I could buy all the pouches I needed for less than1 of some gucci gear brands and figured I’d replace them eventually with something better / more expensive. But I still haven’t replaced them. I like that they cover the mag to protect them from mud etc and I haven’t had issues with mags falling out or the pouches wearing or anything. It does slow down a mag change but I don’t think that’s a limiting factor for me.

Tim said:

Chest rigs are the “norm” and can get super spendy. I have a high dollar one now - and don’t see any advantage over the $60 Condor’s from Amazon.

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I think for competition, classes, LARPing, there's no problem with just about any brand. You start seeing the difference when you wear it and use it 18 hours a day, every day, for months, and the gear gets abused by constant wear and tear.

You are right, chest rigs (and vests/PCs) can get super spendy and the law of diminishing returns becomes a thing.

@Supermatch , if you plan to wear your gear on your hips, once you get the configuration you like, go run with it. PCs and vests tend to 'bounce' less, belts tend to move around a bit more. It's all trial and error and just settle on what you like the best.

Supermatch said:

What do you guys like for belt-mounted pistol/AR mag pouches/carrier? Probably looking at running 2 pistol and 2 rifle for the June RnG.

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The tacos are time proven and battle hardened.
However, my choice is the Esstac Kiwis(I think amazon has a cheap knock off that does the same thing) They're similar to tacos. Good retention, reloads are a breeze and easy to toss the mags back in after the stage is done. Double pistol, single rifle. Thissun is one unit. Like Tim said, great to have at least one of each on your belt for mid stage reloads or the unanticipated malfunction. I also have a 45° pistol mag toward the front of my belt, it makes for pretty quick pistol reloads and I honestly dont find it being in the way crawling around neither. So in all with 3 spare pistol mags I have 60 pistol rounds on my belt and 20 in the gun which is enough to suffice for the match with some left over, hopefully.
This setup has served me well for RnG and different multi gun matches.

Any competitors that run silicon carbide grips? My Canik is a bit smooth for my liking, and I actually shoot it better wearing gloves. Was wondering if I should give it a shot, or if it’s too rough on gear from abrasion, etc.

Supermatch said:

Any competitors that run silicon carbide grips? My Canik is a bit smooth for my liking, and I actually shoot it better wearing gloves. Was wondering if I should give it a shot, or if it’s too rough on gear from abrasion, etc.

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Talon pros have done me well with a gun caked in mud and drenched wet hands

Tim said:

This is what I run on my belt:

TACOS

The High Speed Gear company, is dedicated to building the best 100% American-made, Battle-Proven Tactical Gear. Our products are designed for the highest level of comfort, functionality, and versatility. Satisfaction is guaranteed for all our customers, whether military, law enforcement or...

www.highspeedgear.com

Chest rigs are the “norm” and can get super spendy. I have a high dollar one now - and don’t see any advantage over the $60 Condor’s from Amazon.

I picked up one of these off a prize table recently. A GREAT option for the price.

Chest Rigs – KRATE Tactical

Posts about Chest Rigs written by Carrington Goldsmith

kratetactical.com

This will be a shorter “run”, but for a longer course print you plan on doing more of these, I’d really recommend getting the weight off your hips.

I tend to carry 1 each rifle and pistol mag on my belt for mid-stage reloads.

I also try to carry 1 mag per stage so I can always start a stage with a full mag.

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Tim - are those Acetac rigs height adjustable with the shoulder straps? Do they work ok with a hydration pack?

Supermatch said:

Tim - are those Acetac rigs height adjustable with the shoulder straps? Do they work ok with a hydration pack?

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Height adjustable, yes. I’m 6’4”, a friend is about 5’8, we can both run them comfortably.

Hydration…I’m kinda drawing a blank on how the straps are arranged in the back. I can take a look later today to send a bladder can be attached or if you can swap for something like a Haley Strategic flat pack

Tim said:

Height adjustable, yes. I’m 6’4”, a friend is about 5’8, we can both run them comfortably.

Hydration…I’m kinda drawing a blank on how the straps are arranged in the back. I can take a look later today to send a bladder can be attached or if you can swap for something like a Haley Strategic flat pack

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Thanks. Just trying to figure how well they’d work with either a regular hydration pack or a flat pack. I like the idea of being able to use a regular pack with it so it’s removable for storage if need be.

Not sure if a decision was made yet, but Tier 1 concealed makes a level 2 (SLS hood) holster that works quite well.

I've been running one on a Safariland qls w/e for a few years in classes and matches. It's been fantastic.

the esstac kywis I've been using for mags have been fantastic also.

Ps my tier 1 holster is for a P10C with TLR1 fits daggers and glocks also, happy accident.