19 year old female "commits suicide" during traffic stop, according to police officials.......

Article says she took the gun from her car while left alone beside it.

Yeah, Iā€™m not completely 100% on the conspiracy page with this one. If the cops decided to ā€œtake her outā€ they wouldnā€™t have left her handcuffed...they would have staged the whole thing better. I get the ā€œYou ever hear something so screwed up it has to be trueā€ vibe.


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She wasn't properly cuffed. Hands should be back to back to reduce shenanigans but since it's uncomfortable some people claim it's excessive. I've seen people dig out cigarettes and light them while handcuffed "behind the back".
 
Would like to know more details, and if have they vehicle-mounted dash cameras. Chances are if they have body cameras they also have vehicle cameras as well. I have seen people handcuff behind to get their arms and hands in front of them. Not saying either way what happened without more information, I will say the way it is reported it does sound very suspicious. Below are a couple of quick videos to show how easy it is when they aren't applied properly.



 
Pretty sure that this has been proven both possible and probable before.... I remember seeing a video that Force Science Institute put out proving this could be done, and I personally have witnessed a individual who was handcuffed behind his back, get the cuffs to the front, kick out a patrol car window and get out that window and run a considerable distance.
 
I had a friend and coworker who went through BLET and decided on a different career path. He insisted he was taught a fool proof, hands on, means to restrain someone in order to cuff and stuff them. I asked him to show me, and he did. He quickly wound up with the situation reversed with his head sandwiched between my knee and elbow in a maneuver that had it been done with force would have been deadly.

Copā€™s training works with a populace that is 99.99% compliant. That .01%, gets complicated.
 
Plenty of people especially females who are more limber can slip the cuffs under their feet from behind their back to the front. Why she shot herself remains to be seen unless it was a negligent discharge while he was handling the gun with her hands cuffed.
 
Wow, that's some wild circumstances. Wonder what the real story was?

Hell, I had handcuffs come off me....
Neighborhood drama... officer shows up.

Little guy. Cuffs all three guys (I broke up a fight late one night after a party and was pissed about it) As he's doing his duty and sorting out the situation before he has backup.

My left cuff just came loose. How? No clue. I just held my thumb until it was sorted, little fella came to uncuff me and I told him one was off before he got very close to me. Fella turned white as a ghost. Of course I had to have 50+lbs on him if I had been the problem lol.

Wonder when someone should inform they are no longer "restrained"o_O
 
The only thing I know for certain is that the report does not give enough detail or ask enough of the correct questions for me to make any definitive conclusions. The press sucks. All of them.
 
Just sounds like a bad cuffing job to me. When cuffed improperly it's pretty easy for someone to manage this. Not too far fetched.

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She died of a gunshot wound through the mouth........
..........while her hands were cuffed, behind her back.
But what do I know, having trust issues and questioning authority makes me a hater according to someone these parts.

You know what?
Iā€™m gonna give you this one.

This one is questionable, at best.
My BS radar went into overdrive.

Apparently this happened in July of last year.
Why are we just hearing about it now?

I remember seeing something similar on the news a few years ago- the guy was young, like 19, black, and arrested in gun charges. Supposedly searched and handcuffed in the back of a scout car, and then somehow shot himself in the head... Anyone remember that one either?
 
You know what?
Iā€™m gonna give you this one.

This one is questionable, at best.
My BS radar went into overdrive.

Apparently this happened in July of last year.
Why are we just hearing about it now?

I remember seeing something similar on the news a few years ago- the guy was young, like 19, black, and arrested in gun charges. Supposedly searched and handcuffed in the back of a scout car, and then somehow shot himself in the head... Anyone remember that one either?

Wasn't there a video of something similar?
 
Yeah, I think thatā€™s the one I was talking about...
It was a while ago, maybe 2014 or 2015?

I do remember there are a few. One is a male that gets a lighter out of his pocket tries to set the car on fire and the officer wrecks and the guy goes **outvthe** back window.

Then there is one were they are cuffed in the back and they get a gun from their crotch and goes to shoot the cop. I'm not sure if they then killed themselves.

I guess the moral of the story is that no matter what the officer is responsible for that person once secured.

***anyone know why my auto correct always does this to my words?
 
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I do remember there are a few. One is a male that gets a lighter out of his pocket tries to set the car on fire and the officer wrecks and the guy goes **outvthe** back window.

Then there is one were they are cuffed in the back and they get a gun from their crotch and goes to shoot the cop. I'm not sure if they then killed themselves.

I guess the moral of the story is that no matter what the officer is responsible for that person once secured.

***anyone know why my auto correct always does this to my words?

My guess is you aremtyping on a phone or ipad and you are hitting the ā€˜vā€™ button when you trynto hit the space bar. Things like that happen to me all the time.

See ā€˜mā€™ insertedā€™ above. And I didnā€™t even do that on purpose! :D
 
My guess is you aremtyping on a phone or ipad and you are hitting the ā€˜vā€™ button when you trynto hit the space bar. Things like that happen to me all the time.

See ā€˜mā€™ insertedā€™ above. And I didnā€™t even do that on purpose! :D

Yep that is probably it. thanks.
 
Did she use the rifle mentioned in the article to shoot herself or a handgun? Did she slip the cuffs to the front and then shoot herself or did she contort to do it from behind? Either way, I can see it happening, especially a flexible female, and especially if it was a quick cuffing job on the part of the officer that cuffed her and then rushed to help his partner with the male suspect.
 
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Demonstrated many times how easy it is. Unlearn pulling the trigger with your trigger finger. Get the cuffs out of the bed room. Be sure she cuffs you behind your back. Now take your blue gun or training gun. Press the trigger with your thumb. Rotate the pistol, not your grip on the gun. Shockingly easy. Try it.
 
I once arrested a woman for DWI and thought I would be kind. Yep, she pulled her hands out. I went to re cuff her and she said "don't make them so tight this time".
 
That is a dang mess. I hope there is some type of video from the scene. Because this is the kind of case that might never go away otherwise. Offing a girl in cuffs for no good reason is a bridge too far for me unless there is something else to move it that direction. Because I can see that kind of out of control, emotional response coming out of an arrestee more than LE offing them.
 
Do the hinged cuffs make it harder to get out of them? Anything better then handcuffs?
Perhaps a lightweight fabric vest that is secured with velcro and a buckle to be worn by the
person in custody would make it harder to get out of the cuffs?
update: Not as drastic as the straight jacket the men in the white coats come to your home with.
 
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Granted, that has the advantage of sustainability, but, really, simplicity should win:

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Do the hinged cuffs make it harder to get out of them? Anything better then handcuffs?
Perhaps a lightweight fabric vest that is secured with velcro and a buckle to be worn by the
person in custody would make it harder to get out of the cuffs?
update: Not as drastic as the straight jacket the men in the white coats come to your home with.

As I said upstream.... BELLY CHAIN......
 
This thread didn't go the way SPM was hoping for.

lol.

No, it went exactly how I figured it would go.

Occam's Razor out the window, the typical apologists creating a scenario not supported by the reports of what actually happened but what could have happened to completely alleviate all accountability on the part of law enforcement when they take someone into physical custody.

Not sure how it ends up being not firearms related since a gun was involved - but that's the only part of this thread that I found out of place.

Thanks for playing, though.

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The Klingon motto of, "today is a good day to die", is making more and more sense.

There is something to be said for the idea of not letting the system take you into custody or restrain you.
 
Not sure how it ends up being not firearms related since a gun was involved

Call it intent, itā€™s at best off topic but given your clear intent probably politics.

Same is true for most, or maybe all, of the LEO related threads you start.
 
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