Active shooter in walmart.

Just woke up and saw that there was another mass shooting in Dayton Ohio last night...
 
Being armed is the easy part.

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Personally I ain’t going on offense against a semi-auto long gun with my carry gun compact 9mm handgun. Yes, if backed into a corner I will defend my family and my own life but I’m not bulletproof, I do not wear body armor or a badge and I am old enough to realize the odds and I’m no Superman.
 
And couple in the fact that this is the second time that the whole "law enforcement was there in less that a minute", so you don't need a gun is being pushed. What's next, some bs about the shooters firearm being taken away, via Hollywood karate style moves by an unarmed citizen and being shot with his weapon??
 
Yes, LE was there quickly. In that time there were still a lot of dead (very tragically). The only way to make it close to zero is to be armed on the spot.

Then the next choice is to be reactive or preemptive. Each of those has its own issues.
 
Yes, LE was there quickly. In that time there were still a lot of dead (very tragically). The only way to make it close to zero is to be armed on the spot.

Then the next choice is to be reactive or preemptive. Each of those has its own issues.

Very true,
Again being armed is not the end all be all. The willingness to use the gun is the main aspect. I think that the idea of firepower equalization needs to the adressed in your post that quoted me a few posts ago.

I completely agree with the idea you bring up on a base level, the exacution in a situation might not be as clear. I know that any person with the ability to shoot a handgun can kill a rifleman within the proper context. The over match is not firearm or caliber related is 100% its mindset.

John
 
Very true,
Again being armed is not the end all be all. The willingness to use the gun is the main aspect. I think that the idea of firepower equalization needs to the adressed in your post that quoted me a few posts ago.

I completely agree with the idea you bring up on a base level, the exacution in a situation might not be as clear. I know that any person with the ability to shoot a handgun can kill a rifleman within the proper context. The over match is not firearm or caliber related is 100% its mindset.

John
Seems like the interior of a Walmart with all the aisles, etc. would be almost ideal for outmaneuvering an active shooter to get a viable pistol shot. I'm the last one to fault anyone for not doing so because I have never and hope to never be in that situation and until that happens I can only hope I could do what my conscious tells me is right. For a young father to risk all that would happen to his family if he was to die attempting to save others, it's much more of a sacrifice than an old fart like me who has not much more to do here than die well.
 
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One statistic that I would like to know is the number of people who where in Walmart carrying a firearm. Not trying to throw the coward label on anyone but to me it is fairly obvious a guy with a AK can rule any place in America with little to no fear of reprisal. So much for concealed carry being of any use in these circumstances. Is open carry of a equal weapon the next step for a family trip? They open carry in Israel so why not here.
 
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If I'm in that situation, I protect mine and me. I hold in as much of a stratigicly sound position as possible. Total defence.
 
One statistic that I would like to know is the number of people who where in Walmart carrying a firearm. Not trying to throw the coward label on anyone but to me it is fairly obvious a guy with a AK can rule any place in America with little to no fear of reprisal. So much for concealed carry being of any use in these circumstances. Is open carry of a equal weapon the next step for a family trip? They open carry in Israel so why not here.

Again, who cares about the number of guns in a situation. The real question is who has a gun and ready to USE IT?

Open, concealed, slung, bagged. Makes no difference.
 
Again, who cares about the number of guns in a situation. The real question is who has a gun and ready to USE IT?

Open, concealed, slung, bagged. Makes no difference.
It surprises me that any Walmart in the state of Texas would have no shots fired at the killer, just saying.
 
It surprises me that any Walmart in the state of Texas would have no shots fired at the killer, just saying.

Thats because myth of mindset rules perception. Texans = cowboys or whatever..

This Walmart is near a military base. "U.S Army" the amount of Texans in that Walmart is equal to the amount of North Carolinans in a Fayetteville store. Damn near 0. I assume

More to the heart of your question is, how many gun carrying patriots engaged the threat?

Answer is 0

With the idea of a military segregation crowd, the odds of a Soldier having a pistol on them is low also.

Who did respond armed? LEO thats who.
 
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There was a report of a Army Specialist that was armed with his concealed carry gun. He gathered around and behind him bunch of kids and took a defense position.

CD

Great story on T&P. I shared it on my FB acct. I think for his OODA loop he did very well based on flash to bang time.
 
One statistic that I would like to know is the number of people who where in Walmart carrying a firearm. Not trying to throw the coward label on anyone but to me it is fairly obvious a guy with a AK can rule any place in America with little to no fear of reprisal. So much for concealed carry being of any use in these circumstances. Is open carry of a equal weapon the next step for a family trip? They open carry in Israel so why not here.
If we had national open carry, all the 911 call centers would be flooded with a guy or gal with a gun, six patrol officers arrive to surround the lawful carrier.
 
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It surprises me that any Walmart in the state of Texas would have no shots fired at the killer, just saying.

The smart people probably got the heck out of El Paso long ago. It would certainly not be on my list of Texas cities to visit or live in.
 
I've driven through El Paso twice. Both times, I drove right on through without stopping. That city looks like a shit hole country...
 
The "but this was Texas" angle is one of the most annoying things to emerge from this tragedy.

AOC vowed recently that the Dems would take Texas in 2020. This may help. Texas isn’t what it used to be. And every city there isn’t full of gun toting cowboys.
 
AOC vowed recently that the Dems would take Texas in 2020. This may help. Texas isn’t what it used to be. And every city there isn’t full of gun toting cowboys.
I feel like all big cities, no matter what state they are in, are turning blue... It makes me sad to think that masses of city folk have so much voting power over those of us who live in rural areas. They can't wait to give away my rights and pat themselves on the back...
 
I feel like all big cities, no matter what state they are in, are turning blue... It makes me sad to think that masses of city folk have so much voting power over those of us who live in rural areas. They can't wait to give away my rights and pat themselves on the back...

Truth. We’d probably be in chains already if it was for the Electoral College.
 
Very true,
Again being armed is not the end all be all. The willingness to use the gun is the main aspect. I think that the idea of firepower equalization needs to the adressed in your post that quoted me a few posts ago.

I completely agree with the idea you bring up on a base level, the exacution in a situation might not be as clear. I know that any person with the ability to shoot a handgun can kill a rifleman within the proper context. The over match is not firearm or caliber related is 100% its mindset.

John

Yep

Any shots coming back at him would have slowed him down. Unless the shooting starts when I am in the middle of a long aisle, I am going to be checking from a corner in multiple directions in a few seconds, so that I have options to move and so I can try to see where it is.

The tough thing would be to refrain from drawing until I saw the gun, and saw it being shot at random civilians. Until then I don’t know what is going on and drawing puts me in more danger than it is worth.

Point blank I can probably shoot a pistol as well or better than most can a rifle. At long range (length of an aisle) at least flour and cans are hard cover if you have to shoot through several feet of them at a shallow angle :)

If anyone (or better two) has been able and willing to return fire he either would have slowed down and watched for the incoming fire, or been very vulnerable to it. Either way is a win.

Walmart’s are really big, with lots of concealment. Easy to hide, flank, etc and if he is still shooting, he can’t conceal his position. Not good for him with 360 degrees to approach. If he isn’t shooting, even better. He would have to be an awesome shot and have stellar reaction times to hit someone running past the end of an aisle and only exposed for a fraction of a second. Or have eyes like an eagle to see an eye poking around at the far end trying to locate him.

I am no expert on this, but I definitely agree it isn’t as unbalanced as rifle vs carry pistol sounds, because the goals are not the same.

We need a Walmart for some force on force training :)


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If we had national open carry, all the 911 call centers would be flooded with a guy or gal with a gun, six patrol officers arrive to surround the lawful carrier.

Excellent! That would be a good reason to participate!

Once they got tired of dealing with those it would be normalized. And they would quickly get tired of it. Maybe even start telling people to stop filing false reports and misusing 911.


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Very true,
Again being armed is not the end all be all. The willingness to use the gun is the main aspect. I think that the idea of firepower equalization needs to the adressed in your post that quoted me a few posts ago.

I completely agree with the idea you bring up on a base level, the exacution in a situation might not be as clear. I know that any person with the ability to shoot a handgun can kill a rifleman within the proper context. The over match is not firearm or caliber related is 100% its mindset.

John
I’m with John, even though we disagree on our views of free tuna, I’ve always believed and been trained in the mindset that violence of action goes a long way.
 
I do think there is some form of high level shenanigans in all this.

It's possible so I'm asking the following again,

Anybody have knowledge or insight to the following:

So there are reports of multiple shooters and if there was not then how did this kid shoot 46 people with one 30 rd magazine?
I mean while monitoring the news I believe it was said this kid did not reload.

https://www.carolinafirearmsforum.c...e-shooter-in-walmart.47515/page-3#post-824796
 
I’ve seen multiple people post things to the tune of “I can’t believe this happened in Texas!” Like Texas is filled with John Wayne and Clint Eastwood’s. This happened at a Walmart...not out on the range. The exact demographic of people this was aimed at is the exact demographic of virtually all other states. We have to remember that some Texas cities are darn near as liberal as the worst of California. Beto is from Texas after all and >almost< won against Cruz.

Texas is not filled with gun slingers and macho men any more than any other urban area in the nation. Except maybe Seattle...screw those guys.


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