Wilmington, NC officer demoted after telling driver not to video record him

This isn't the first time we've seen this sort of thing; cops not liking something and making up "laws" on the fly to enforce their opinion.

Kind of like how 3 years ago my wife got a ticket for talking on the phone while driving even though it wasn't illegal? The guy said he just thought it was wrong when she asked him about that. She had to take the day off work to go to court for that.
 
Kind of like how 3 years ago my wife got a ticket for talking on the phone while driving even though it wasn't illegal? The guy said he just thought it was wrong when she asked him about that. She had to take the day off work to go to court for that.

I usually try to stay out of the police bashing threads but I'm trying to grasp how a LEO can just make up a statute on a ticket? Every ticket I've ever been given had a series of numbers that refers to the motor vehicle statute that has been broken by the driver. Seems obvious to me based on my experiences she got a ticket for something else then talking on the phone since it wasn't illegal at that time, and the LEO just couldn't make up numbers and statutes.
 
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Kind of like how 3 years ago my wife got a ticket for talking on the phone while driving even though it wasn't illegal? The guy said he just thought it was wrong when she asked him about that. She had to take the day off work to go to court for that.


Curious as to what happened in court. Did she get it thrown out or what?
 
Curious as to what happened in court. Did she get it thrown out or what?

I'm sure the Ada probably dismissed it pretty fast. Would have be a great case in the old days to put the officer on trial to learn a lesson. But these days they are so over ran they won't waste the time.
 
I usually try to stay out of the police bashing threads but I'm trying to grasp how a LEO can just make up a statute on a ticket? Every ticket I've ever been given had a series of numbers that refers to the motor vehicle statute that has been broken by the driver. Seems obvious to me based on my experiences she got a ticket for something else then talking on the phone since it wasn't illegal at that time, and the LEO just couldn't make up numbers and statutes.

The ticket was for exactly what I said it was for. Very nice of you to call my wife a liar though.

Curious as to what happened in court. Did she get it thrown out or what?
It was thrown out pretty quick once she got to court. If I remember the judge made a comment to the trooper about wasting time or something like that.
 
The ticket was for exactly what I said it was for. Very nice of you to call my wife a liar though.


It was thrown out pretty quick once she got to court. If I remember the judge made a comment to the trooper about wasting time or something like that.


Judge shoulda made the trooper pay her lost wages for the day.
 
They waste enuff as it is.

Yep I do know. My wife was an ADA back in early 2000's. It's amazing what an ada that likes to actually work can get done. She would do traffic court with one clerk and run through 1100-1200 in a day.

Now it takes two ADA's and three clerks to do anywhere close to those numbers.
 
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Yep I do know. My wife was an ADA back in early 2000's. It's amazing what an ada that likes to actually work can get done. She would do traffic court with one clerk and run through 1100-1200 in a day.

Now it takes two ADA's and three clerks to do anywhere close to those numbers.



Shades of Harold T Stone.
 
Chicken Hawk said, The ticket was for exactly what I said it was for. Very nice of you to call my wife a liar though.

No one called anyone a liar. I'm just stating based on my past experiences and what makes sense. Saying LEO's just make up statutes and numbers on tickets for things that were not even illegal, and that they know are going in front of judges doesn't make sense. I just have a hard time believing he just wrote on a ticket "talking on phone even though I know it's not illegal" Statute 17-666 of the motor vehicle code that I also just made up also. She may have gotten a ticket but it wasn't for something that wasn't illegal at the time.

P.S. This bugged me so much I called my neighbor down the street who is a retired N.C State Trooper. After telling him the story he said every ticket issued has to have the offense and the N.C. motor vehicle statute or code N.C.G.S. number written on it. So as I said above she got a ticket and it was thrown out but it wasn't for something not illegal.
 
Coulda been a distracted driving citation...those have been around a while.


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After HB562 passed, a friend of mine who is a fireman and a CHP holder dropped his kids off at the elementary school. He got stopped by a Sheriff's Deputy on the road leading away from the school entrance. and of course he showed his CHP.

The SD asked him where he weapon was and he said "in my holster" and the Deputy said "well, I'm not going to cite you but you have to keep it in a locked container". We promptly called up his supervisor on duty and faxed them a copy of the new law.
Never seen that Deputy again any where near the school. I mean, how hard is it to READ?

You're gonna give another law abiding citizen much less a fellow public servant shit because he is actually obeying the law? GTFO with that noise. BLET undergraduates. That's what they should have to wear like a Redshirt QB.

The provisions of this section shall not apply to a person who has a concealed handgun permit that is valid under Article 54B of this Chapter, or who is exempt from obtaining a permit pursuant to that Article, if any of the following conditions are met:

(1) The person has a handgun in a closed compartment or container within the person's locked vehicle or in a locked container securely affixed to the person's vehicle and only unlocks the vehicle to enter or exit the vehicle while the firearm remains in the closed compartment at all times and immediately locks the vehicle following the entrance or exit.

(2) The person has a handgun concealed on the person and the person remains in the locked vehicle and only unlocks the vehicle to allow the entrance or exit of another person.

(3) The person is within a locked vehicle and removes the handgun from concealment only for the amount of time reasonably necessary to do either of the following:

a. Move the handgun from concealment on the person to a closed compartment or container within the vehicle.

b. Move the handgun from within a closed compartment or container within the vehicle to concealment on the person.
 
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What's funny is that here is an original article from March 2017 when the Officer actually got demoted and the pay reduction:

https://www.cbs17.com/news/nc-officer-who-lied-to-uber-driver-demoted-with-pay-reduction/

The discipline didn't take 2 years, it apparently only took about month after the incident occurred and a complaint was lodged in 2017. In my experience, that is pretty fast. I'm not sure why this story is now being dragged out of the mothballs and re-branded as a case where the department tried to cover up the incident and the resulting discipline took 2 years. The citizen complaint was investigated promptly, his allegation was substantiated and the Officer got his pee-pee smacked immediately thereafter. That is exactly how this whole thing is supposed to work.
 
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What's funny is that here is an original article from March 2017 when the Officer actually got demoted and the pay reduction:

https://www.cbs17.com/news/nc-officer-who-lied-to-uber-driver-demoted-with-pay-reduction/

The discipline didn't take 2 years, it apparently only took about month after the incident occurred and a complaint was lodged in 2017. In my experience, that is pretty fast. I'm not sure why this story is now being dragged out of the mothballs and re-branded as a case where the department tried to cover up the incident and the resulting discipline took 2 years. The citizen complaint was investigated promptly, his allegation was substantiated and the Officer got his pee-pee smacked immediately thereafter. That is exactly how this whole thing is supposed to work.

Because cops are all horrid creatures and we should call them out as the dastardly Kings men as often as we can.


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What's funny is that here is an original article from March 2017 when the Officer actually got demoted and the pay reduction:

https://www.cbs17.com/news/nc-officer-who-lied-to-uber-driver-demoted-with-pay-reduction/

The discipline didn't take 2 years, it apparently only took about month after the incident occurred and a complaint was lodged in 2017. In my experience, that is pretty fast. I'm not sure why this story is now being dragged out of the mothballs and re-branded as a case where the department tried to cover up the incident and the resulting discipline took 2 years. The citizen complaint was investigated promptly, his allegation was substantiated and the Officer got his pee-pee smacked immediately thereafter. That is exactly how this whole thing is supposed to work.


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Chicken Hawk said, The ticket was for exactly what I said it was for. Very nice of you to call my wife a liar though.

No one called anyone a liar. I'm just stating based on my past experiences and what makes sense. Saying LEO's just make up statutes and numbers on tickets for things that were not even illegal, and that they know are going in front of judges doesn't make sense. I just have a hard time believing he just wrote on a ticket "talking on phone even though I know it's not illegal" Statute 17-666 of the motor vehicle code that I also just made up also. She may have gotten a ticket but it wasn't for something that wasn't illegal at the time.

P.S. This bugged me so much I called my neighbor down the street who is a retired N.C State Trooper. After telling him the story he said every ticket issued has to have the offense and the N.C. motor vehicle statute or code N.C.G.S. number written on it. So as I said above she got a ticket and it was thrown out but it wasn't for something not illegal.
Sure thing bud. Glad you got to see her copy of the citation like I did. In the description it said she was talking on the phone, distracted driving like @B00ger said. So while you are technically correct, talking on the phone was not illegal which makes distracted driving literally an offense just to make her have to go to court for no reason. It was on the stretch of I-40 near Warsaw. So yes, I stand by my original statement that she was written a ticket for something that he just disagrees with because he could.
 
Sure thing bud. Glad you got to see her copy of the citation like I did. In the description it said she was talking on the phone, distracted driving like @B00ger said. So while you are technically correct, talking on the phone was not illegal which makes distracted driving literally an offense just to make her have to go to court for no reason. It was on the stretch of I-40 near Warsaw. So yes, I stand by my original statement that she was written a ticket for something that he just disagrees with because he could.
There is no such charge as distracted driving. There is one about texting and driving, could that be it? If so a complaint should be made if the cop knew she wasn't texting.
 
There is no such charge as distracted driving. There is one about texting and driving, could that be it? If so a complaint should be made if the cop knew she wasn't texting.
No. It wasn't texting in driving. In the description it stated that she was talking on the phone. If it was texting and driving it was still an abuse of power. A complaint was made. I'll see if she can find the picture we took of it. I was pretty irritated. I wasn't trying to hijack the thread, but small instances like that is what costs LEO's public trust.
 
What's funny is that here is an original article from March 2017 when the Officer actually got demoted and the pay reduction:

https://www.cbs17.com/news/nc-officer-who-lied-to-uber-driver-demoted-with-pay-reduction/

The discipline didn't take 2 years, it apparently only took about month after the incident occurred and a complaint was lodged in 2017. In my experience, that is pretty fast. I'm not sure why this story is now being dragged out of the mothballs and re-branded as a case where the department tried to cover up the incident and the resulting discipline took 2 years. The citizen complaint was investigated promptly, his allegation was substantiated and the Officer got his pee-pee smacked immediately thereafter. That is exactly how this whole thing is supposed to work.
but but but...
 
Me & my buddy Tim at Bike Week in Daytona.
We're sitting side by side at the stoplight in front of Froggy's bar. Main Street, 1:30 am.
Well his clutch slipped at the same time his throttle accidentally opened, causing his back tire to light-up. Strangely, my bike had the same problem at the same time! Go figure.
We get yanked by 2 motor cops. They write us up; Burn Out.
We go to court, the Judge says "What's a burn out? Case dismissed."
The proper term is exhibition of speed. A four-pointer. Yeah, not fun on insurance day.

This isn't the only time I've seen Judges toss citations that aren't exactly right. My experience is that the cop better get it perfect-right or the Judge is gonna pitch it, and usually with a look that says 'who's the badge responsible for filling up my court with this crap'.

fwiw...I liked my cop that wrote me up. He was relaxed, easy going, and smiling cause I think he knew it was a pretty good dueling burn-out. :cool: He even told me that he would've probably let it slide if he wasn't sitting right behind me.

:oops:
doh
 
fwiw...I liked my cop that wrote me up. He was relaxed, easy going, and smiling cause I think he knew it was a pretty good dueling burn-out. :cool: He even told me that he would've probably let it slide if he wasn't sitting right behind me.

:oops:
doh

more crooked cops, theyre everywhere! lol
 
We get yanked by 2 motor cops. They write us up; Burn Out.
We go to court, the Judge says "What's a burn out? Case dismissed."

This makes me wonder... I'm betting there are instances of cops writing people dumbass tickets just to piss off a particular judge for presiding over the case. Which is kind of funny.
 
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This makes me wonder... I'm betting there are instances of cops writing people dumbass tickets just to piss off a particular judge for presiding over the case. Which is kind of funny.

They would never know who was in court. Traffic court in most counties has Magistrates and move so fast they could careless who writes tickets. Unless there is one person charged with multiple tickets it wouldn't register at all. We had a FORMER officer that once wrote 52 charges to three 17 year olds on dirt bikes in town. Pretty sure they got tossed pretty quickly.
 
Sure thing bud. Glad you got to see her copy of the citation like I did. In the description it said she was talking on the phone, distracted driving like @B00ger said. So while you are technically correct, talking on the phone was not illegal which makes distracted driving literally an offense just to make her have to go to court for no reason. It was on the stretch of I-40 near Warsaw. So yes, I stand by my original statement that she was written a ticket for something that he just disagrees with because he could.

First of all my name is not Bud as you can see in my avatar. But I'm not going to lower myself to your level by responding in kind. No, I didn't see the summons but you did and posted it was for talking on the phone that wasn't illegal, nowhere mentioning the distracted driving part. Now all of a sudden the distracted driving part gets thrown in changing the whole premise of the story in an attempt to spin the original post. As I said in my original post I usually try not to post in these LEO bashing threads since in my opinion a good portion of the stories about interactions with LEO's are a bunch of crap, exaggerated, or just plain made up. So responding is just a waste of time. I've been pulled over in the past and I'll admit I was wrong on most of them. But not acting like an ass to the LEO got me off with quite a few warnings not a summons. The small group of anti LEO posters on this forum have the same old agenda and from what I see spend a lot of time digging around to find articles to gripe about.
 
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First of all my name is not Bud as you can see in my avatar. But I'm not going to lower myself to your level by responding in kind. No, I didn't see the summons but you did and posted it was for talking on the phone that wasn't illegal, nowhere mentioning the distracted driving part. Now all of a sudden the distracted driving part gets thrown in changing the whole premise of the story in an attempt to spin the original post. As I said in my original post I usually try not to post in these LEO bashing threads since in my opinion a good portion of the stories about interactions with LEO's are a bunch of crap, exaggerated, or just plain made up. So responding is just a waste of time. I've been pulled over in the past and I'll admit I was wrong on most of them. But not acting like an ass to the LEO got me off with quite a few warnings not a summons. The small group of anti LEO posters on this forum have the same old agenda and from what I see spend a lot of time digging around to find articles to gripe about.
So we have another guys saying that distracted driving isn't a thing. I guess you think it is ok for someone to abuse their power. Writing a bogus ticket is still a bogus ticket, especially when one has to lose time at work to deal with it. I've had mostly good dealings with LEO as well. Apparently calling out BS makes one anti-LEO. Have a great day, bud.
 
I think it's fair to assume that anyone who chooses a profession within the criminal justice system is either, a) a strong proponent of consequences for breaking the law, or b) they are personally ambivalent about it but accept it in exchange for a decent salary, great benefits package and the ability to work for twenty years and collect a retirement check for forty.

And then some commoner comes along and ruins it all by making them stop breaking the law.

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Maybe I missed something in this thread, but can you point me to the post where someone made that claim?

Well this is pretty close.
 
I do believe the CJ system has a lot of well intentioned, good, honest, people at all levels. Still, it doesn’t change the fact that it really isn’t working in the environment today (it wasn’t designed to), or the fact that people are losing faith in govt, institutions in general, which is characteristic of a 4th turning.
 
The other part of his statement is that it goes not just to one thread but multiple threads covering the same subject over and over and over again.
Almost as if people with strong opinions on a subject can't seem to be able to change their minds, or sometimes even accept the opposing argument. Seems to be a pattern among human beings in general.
 
Almost as if people with strong opinions on a subject can't seem to be able to change their minds, or sometimes even accept the opposing argument. Seems to be a pattern among human beings in general.

More like people not reviewing situations objectively and instead bringing their bias into every thread. When i see wrong I say wrong.
 
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