Wuhan, nCV, germs....

I got sent to Newnan Georgia to decontaminate a job site that has multiple confirmed cases. They just have us decontaminating a few break rooms and offices. 4:45 came early this morning after not getting down here until midnight.
 
So USS Teddy Roosevelt had 8 cases yesterday, 20 today and their docking in Guam. The Ronald Reagan has 2 in dock.........

yeah I'm thinking that's gonna be bad for Guam and Japan. They're only testing those showing symptoms.
 
Ikarus1 said:
They're only testing those showing symptoms.
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Which is why it went from 8 to 20 and tomorrow it will be 50. They need to find the infected and isolate them, and then keep testing to find the ones that are pre-symptomatic.
 
BurnedOutGeek said:
Let me know how that works out so I can plan a buy or sell strategy asap.
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They won't let us fog the facility so it is probably going to be 12 hours of wiping everything down in a modified level B since they think it may get in the "secret ingredient." Schweaty balls will be the order of the day.

Edit: Apparently there is a soda plant in Texas that makes a beverage named after a medical professional that is getting decontaminated every weekend from what I hear. Spare no expense!
 
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Pres. Trump using the DPA to have GM produce ventilator machines after they backed out of the initial plan.
 
Button Pusher said:
Pres. Trump using the DPA to have GM produce ventilator machines after they backed out of the initial plan.
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I do recall that .gov rescued them during the last recession.
 
fieldgrade said:
I do recall that .gov rescued them during the last recession.
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Yes and Treasury sold off that preferred stock for a nice sum. Just like the Chrysler loan, they paid it back early and Treasury made out bid.
There was some problems with GM and the company that makes the ventilators, hope they get that worked out soon.
 
easternnc4me said:
COVID Pandemic Exposes the Ugly Secrets Hidden in America’s Healthcare System:
https://vocal.media/theSwamp/covid-...7kPIf5U1Z5Jxzkez93R7rnhrkplUwgyHmHjrBykaZsXEk

The comments by health care workers at the end are interesting.
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The professional managers brought in to run America's mammoth healthcare companies have practiced JIT (Just-In-Time) supply management for years. Extra supplies stacked in a closet were long ago declared a waste of money, as was extra equipment and extra capacity. Nearly everything was viewed as being available on short notice.
 
My buddy in WV says that he is getting worried about job security. He said that his hospital is 180-200 beds and currently has 50-60 admitted in anticipation of a coming flood that just isn't happening. Like most every area they have cancelled all the elective surgeries and he says that he is afraid that the waiting will cause layoffs.
 
Cowboy said:
Like most every area they have cancelled all the elective surgeries and he says that he is afraid that the waiting will cause layoffs.
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Just like the comment about the professional managers viewing backup supplies as a cost waste, that would be an ultimate in boneheaded maneuvers. All they need to do is look at other hospitals where they said it was eerily quiet and then kaboom worse then they could have imagined.
 
noway2 said:
Just like the comment about the professional managers viewing backup supplies as a cost waste, that would be an ultimate in boneheaded maneuvers. All they need to do is look at other hospitals where they said it was eerily quiet and then kaboom worse then they could have imagined.
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I think he is think more along the lines of it's not going to be a tidal wave at every hospital like in New York. More along the lines of you might get full you might not but they may have to decrease their budgets. When you rely on all of the optional surgeries how do you stay in the positive. My next door neighbor's wife is a nurse at urgent care and had her hours cut this week.
 
ChickenHawk said:
They won't let us fog the facility so it is probably going to be 12 hours of wiping everything down in a modified level B since they think it may get in the "secret ingredient." Schweaty balls will be the order of the day.

Edit: Apparently there is a soda plant in Texas that makes a beverage named after a medical professional that is getting decontaminated every weekend from what I hear. Spare no expense!
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Schweaty balls is right. It is warm in Georgia today. Upside is all the Co... soda I can drink.

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Schweaty balls is right. It is warm in Georgia today. Upside is all the Co... soda I can drink.

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I remember the days. Level A gear, middle of a gravel parking lot, air temp 90+. Drank all I could hold before we went on air, sweated so much that sweat was ponding in my boots. Drank all I could afterwards, didn't piss for a long time. I still loved every minute of it..............
 
REELDOC said:
I remember the days. Level A gear, middle of a gravel parking lot, air temp 90+. Drank all I could hold before we went on air, sweated so much that sweat was ponding in my boots. Drank all I could afterwards, didn't piss for a long time. I still loved every minute of it..............
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We need the help. This is only modified level B so not too bad. Of course I say this while having puddles of sweat in my boots.
 
ChickenHawk said:
We need the help. This is only modified level B so not too bad. Of course I say this while having puddles of sweat in my boots.
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Man, I'd love to do it again but alas I've aged out and probably couldn't pass a physical. Probably only could be an instructor or safety officer, maybe equipment manager. Sucks to get old.
 
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Cowboy said:
My buddy in WV says that he is getting worried about job security. He said that his hospital is 180-200 beds and currently has 50-60 admitted in anticipation of a coming flood that just isn't happening. Like most every area they have cancelled all the elective surgeries and he says that he is afraid that the waiting will cause layoffs.
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give it two weeks...
 
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Sigequinox220 said:
to state the obvious, and reaffirm even the intuitive logic, less the scientific evidence, experts and scientists now are saying wearing face masks could SLOW THE SPREAD of disease. mmmmm.

Literally alludes to the Asia correlation @drypowder powder has used in his arguments now for weeks.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/28/experts-say-face-masks-can-help-slow-covid-19-despite-previous-claims/
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Then there is the question of who is wearing what kind of mask. The masks with exhalation valves do not filter outgoing air and particles.
 
gc70 said:
Then there is the question of who is wearing what kind of mask. The masks with exhalation valves do not filter outgoing air and particles.
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Good point. infected walking around with those are not helping but if I recall those are n95 so someone else wearing same would be 'appropriately' guarded. but those definitely less common to begin with and nowhere to be found between here and mars these days. I actually happen to have just 1 of those, and have it reserved for my 2 year old because the mask in particular has a lot of margin for seal (and her obviously only tiny little nugget face).
 
charliesgrave said:
No one in their right mind will do that. And all they are likely doing is adding a splitter and four sets of tubing on one vent.
There's no way to guarantee how much air you're moving in what patient. It was possible for docs to put two at a time on vents after the Vegas shooting, but they weren't dealing with lung issues which require careful settings and pressures. It would be very easy to pop someone's lung and not know it. It would also be an excellent way to get sued and lose your license.
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heh - my first thought was "well how are they gonna regulate volume to each person?"
Maybe they're going to weight/size match patients? maybe they'll introduce a regulator for each person to keep pressures within range? Maybe they'll start using use a low volume and increase the rate to compensate?
Never done humans, but I know from research that volume and rate are pretty darn important to keep things stable

Alabamacoastie said:
My freaking mother in law is 72 and refuses to stay at home. Every other day, she goes to Trader Joe's to buy goat cheese... Infuriating...

I keep telling her, not to leave the house. Then at 7am, I look outside and her car is gone.
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Are you familiar with kwikset smartkey? one of those might get the point across and still be easily reversible...
 
One of the few key pieces of evidence that I suspect to be true is that severity of the disease is in part tied to the viral load one receives.Take for example, you touch a contaminated door handle and wash your hands but it doesn’t entirely eliminate it. You then rub your eye. You get infected and it starts replicating. At a certain point yoir immune system starts reacting and building antibodies. The virus replicates and you become symptomatic. Your immune system has had days to react.

By comparison someone sneezed on you. You got hit with millions of virus. You become sick while your immune system is starting to ramp up. The virus overtakes you and you get seriously sick.

The initial virus load seems to play a part in the outcome.
 
Y’ALL BE CAREFUL!
My wife’s aunt went to the Dr and was told she had Covid , go home and isolate. She was feeling bad last night, wouldn’t answer the phone this morning. Her son called this morn and didn’t get an answer. The police did a wellness call and found her on the floor, she was taken to the hospital and ventilated. She died today before her son could get to Myrtle Beach from Raleigh.
 
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noway2 said:
One of the few key pieces of evidence that I suspect to be true is that severity of the disease is in part tied to the viral load one receives.Take for example, you touch a contaminated door handle and wash your hands but it doesn’t entirely eliminate it. You then rub your eye. You get infected and it starts replicating. At a certain point yoir immune system starts reacting and building antibodies. The virus replicates and you become symptomatic. Your immune system has had days to react.

By comparison someone sneezed on you. You got hit with millions of virus. You become sick while your immune system is starting to ramp up. The virus overtakes you and you get seriously sick.

The initial virus load seems to play a part in the outcome.
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Would make sense and is known to be the case with many other viruses. Its somewhat analogous to the colonization with bacterial infections. you are essentially asymptomatic until critical mass forms. Those with robust immune systems (most adult who have been sick many times) essentially fight the disease faster than replication rate. The fundamentals are all there in this episode, minus most humans having prior contact with coronaviruses. In that sense, viral load probably one of the major components at this phase between man and virus.

on side note, zinc containing drops have a lot of theoretical promise as this virus unlikely makes it to the lungs upon initial entry. if we assume most cases start with infected intermediary cells in the trachea, larynx, upper esophagus to breed, with cell death releasing virus deeper into passageways, the viral replication can be disrupted by zinc. its been shown effective in other infections, but no direct evidence that there is effective delivery of the zinc where needed for THIS particular disease. But for $10, worth adding to the armory. This iterative mode of entry likely explains a lot of the gastrointestinal clinical manifestations as well.
 
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