School Meal Deliveries

bull crap! This food is not already bought. They do not have enough storage in the cafeteria kitchens. They are getting food truck deliveries weekly. So they could stop the trucks and money would be saved.
Now in regards to the kids getting the food I am not against the ones who truly need it since they can’t help who their parent/parents are.
School systems don’t negotiate contracts on a week by week basis. The shipments come in weekly. The payments were budgeted months ago.


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Exactly. they are negotiated on an allocation and paid for by semester
 
I understand and wasn’t saying that some of the kids didn’t need the food. I was just saying it would go to waste. Was just saying it’s not like it’s in a big warehouse and must be used. That was all I was saying. My wife is a teacher for a title one school so I have a little knowledge about it.

I feel ya. And we all have to keep in mind the utter speed in which this all hit, so in a year we will all have a bunch of “We should have done this...” scenarios.


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Most if not all of the funding for feeding these kids is federal, if it makes any difference to anyone..
 
Seems like after you have the first kid you can't afford, you should lose the ability to have more kids you can't afford.

No one is ever for that. "freedom" apparently includes the ability to create as much human suffering as you want, and burden society as much as you want, with no repercussions.
 
Seems like after you have the first kid you can't afford, you should lose the ability to have more kids you can't afford.

Well, yeah, that would work if that means no ones situation ever changes/decreases.
Guys, yall make it seem like it's just a bunch of deadbeats having tons of kids.
I can think of one student whose mother stresses because her husband got hurt and cant work anymore. So you go from two incomes to 1, but still three folks.
Or what about the mother or father who has a spouse up a leave, is it their fault?
 
Well, yeah, that would work if that means no ones situation ever changes/decreases.
Guys, yall make it seem like it's just a bunch of deadbeats having tons of kids.
I can think of one student whose mother stresses because her husband got hurt and cant work anymore. So you go from two incomes to 1, but still three folks.
Or what about the mother or father who has a spouse up a leave, is it their fault?

Or two working parents who both get furloughed due to Covid and are waiting on their unemployment and saving $10+ per day actually matters.


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I understand and wasn’t saying that some of the kids didn’t need the food. I was just saying it would go to waste. Was just saying it’s not like it’s in a big warehouse and must be used. That was all I was saying. My wife is a teacher for a title one school so I have a little knowledge about it.

Booger doesn’t know what the hell he is talking about. He makes this narrative up as he types. Contracts are negotiated yearly without set numbers for deliveries. The schools place orders based on consumption. They are not automatic every week. For example the bread manufacturer bases prices on a minimum annual usage and the system has clauses where they can get out of the contract. The fact is they want to feed kids- they changed the plan from those qualifying to every child.

In my original post they sent meals to a place where the owner is making #14,000.00 a week for the last 4 months clean profit before income tax. They told them to stop and they keep dropping the meals off when someone could be eating it. Today two cats had part of the meal, the rest was put in the trash, and they had Cookout trays. They have had 4 weeks to make corrections but low and behold they don’t care where it goes and how it’s wasted at a time when people are jobless. Government employees at their best. Just give me my check please is the mentality.
 
Well, yeah, that would work if that means no ones situation ever changes/decreases.
Guys, yall make it seem like it's just a bunch of deadbeats having tons of kids.
I can think of one student whose mother stresses because her husband got hurt and cant work anymore. So you go from two incomes to 1, but still three folks.
Or what about the mother or father who has a spouse up a leave, is it their fault?
And in the whole grand scheme of "welfare" those situations you state are rare and definitely not the norm.

And yes, it is exactly like a bunch of deadbeats having kids. Why not, its been proven time and time again, going on generations that there is always someone else providing for your kids. And the kids learn that someone else will provide for them and then their kids. Sadly, Rinse and repeat
 
Booger doesn’t know what the hell he is talking about. He makes this narrative up as he types. Contracts are negotiated yearly without set numbers for deliveries. The schools place orders based on consumption. They are not automatic every week. For example the bread manufacturer bases prices on a minimum annual usage and the system has clauses where they can get out of the contract. The fact is they want to feed kids- they changed the plan from those qualifying to every child.

In my original post they sent meals to a place where the owner is making #14,000.00 a week for the last 4 months clean profit before income tax. They told them to stop and they keep dropping the meals off when someone could be eating it. Today two cats had part of the meal, the rest was put in the trash, and they had Cookout trays. They have had 4 weeks to make corrections but low and behold they don’t care where it goes and how it’s wasted at a time when people are jobless. Government employees at their best. Just give me my check please is the mentality.

Bless your heart.

And my original post was that my experience with it was much different than yours. Sorry this has all happened to you. It will pass. You will survive.


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So much to say.... So much opinion to give......

All the members in this thread are arguing the other side of the same coin.....
 
Well, yeah, that would work if that means no ones situation ever changes/decreases.
Guys, yall make it seem like it's just a bunch of deadbeats having tons of kids.
I can think of one student whose mother stresses because her husband got hurt and cant work anymore. So you go from two incomes to 1, but still three folks.
Or what about the mother or father who has a spouse up a leave, is it their fault?
Or the elementary aged girl who’s father is MIA, mother is an addict in and out of jail so she lives with her grandparents who can barely care for themselves, can’t afford to clothe her properly, goes to school with shoes too small and literally worn through the toe and sole, then grandmother passes away and grandfather, a respectable WWII vet, has no idea how to raise a little girl and relied on his wife to do it previously? Smart, sweet, and innocent as can be, but has zero chance now.
Thankfully, along the way, the school sent her home with food every weekend and some faculty took enough interest to buy her clothing.
^^^As true as some members’ stubbornly sorry denial.
 
Well, yeah, that would work if that means no ones situation ever changes/decreases.

Not really, it can work in any situation. Your situation decreases, you don't need to add more kids who are going to suffer. Your situation improves, then the kids you already have get even more resources/attention/etc and gain an advantage in life. Break the cycle of poverty. Your situation improves so much that you can afford all the kids you want.... then I believe you can repay your prior debt to society by helping an existing kid who needs help (ie adoption). Once again you've made society as a whole better. Society helped you, now you're returning the favor.

This isn't some "sterilize the poors" campaign, where you have to prove your worth to have kids. it's just some consequences after you've already failed to provide for the family you've chosen to create and are causing others (who had no choice) to suffer.
 
Not really, it can work in any situation. Your situation decreases, you don't need to add more kids who are going to suffer.

So the family who can afford two or three kids in 2018 hits hard times (situation decreases, as mentioned) - what now? That's what my post was about.


And in the whole grand scheme of "welfare" those situations you state are rare and definitely not the norm.

And yes, it is exactly like a bunch of deadbeats having kids. Why not, its been proven time and time again, going on generations that there is always someone else providing for your kids. And the kids learn that someone else will provide for them and then their kids. Sadly, Rinse and repeat

Nah.
I currently have a student - single mother who works for our school, but struggles. Not a deadbeat at all.



Look, obviously there's some folks here who just dont like the idea, that's fine.
But to make all these assumptions about folks' situations is ridiculous.
 
I'm just sad it got to this point in the first place. I started first grade in 1964. No school kid seemed to have a problem getting fed. Most paid their dime.

Of course, addiction and obesity weren't competing for the #1 health problem among America's "poor" then either.
 
Seems like after you have the first kid you can't afford, you should lose the ability to have more kids you can't afford.

No one is ever for that. "freedom" apparently includes the ability to create as much human suffering as you want, and burden society as much as you want, with no repercussions.

I’m a pretty consistent fella. Pro- choice, pro death penalty, anti welfare state.

synergy.
 
The parents? That wont help the kids at all
Yeahhhhh. That was too dark and too soon. And obviously has nothing to do with situation. For some reason just had an itch to get abortion in twice in one night. Forced it pretty hard there, ha.

the question you ask is a legitimate social question worthy of proper discussion....
 
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Yeahhhhh. That was too dark and too soon. And obviously has nothing to do with situation. For some reason just had an itch to get abortion in twice in one night. Forced it pretty hard there, ha.

the question you ask is a legitimate social question worthy of proper discussion....

Two abortions in one night? Sounds like you need two side pieces and zero morals.
 
Until it's a proven fact, it's still a myth.

That isn’t the way things work.

Facts are facts. They don’t care whether we know them, like them, can prove them, or even ask a question about them. They just are.

Gravity was a fact before there were any people at all. It was never a myth.
 
Like it or not Burke county switched quickly to serving anyone, regardless of reason. Not a failure. It was a choice.

That said, I wish they would serve up an online education for my daughter. They outright refuse to even try to teach new material. Told them they couldn’t learn that way. All she has received from teachers is review work or repeat assignments. Super does not want to do anything that isn’t perfect and applied to everyone, so they are doing nothing instead. Damn fools for leadership.

We enrolled our daughter in AZ state online for pre calc and found her a podcast for history. The rest she’ll be fine in. She doesn’t need the history stuff but she needs something to do.


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Like it or not Burke county switched quickly to serving anyone, regardless of reason. Not a failure. It was a choice.

That said, I wish they would serve up an online education for my daughter. They outright refuse to even try to teach new material. Told them they couldn’t learn that way. All she has received from teachers is review work or repeat assignments. Super does not want to do anything that isn’t perfect and applied to everyone, so they are doing nothing instead. Damn fools for leadership.

We enrolled our daughter in AZ state online for pre calc and found her a podcast for history. The rest she’ll be fine in. She doesn’t need the history stuff but she needs something to do.


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They don’t even want to try and educate them. It’s like they refuse to change, or afraid if it becomes successful their jobs are in jeopardy. They have shown their true colors in public education in many counties. They cannot think outside the box nor change. My friend picks up his kids work on paper on Monday. He said his two kids are done with the week assignments Tuesday afternoon. The rest of the week they are working or playing outside.

Teachers have been doing the same shit from the time they started. They have been told not to do too much where some kids might get behind. You know why? It looks bad if some are successful and others fail. There is not a kid out there who can’t learn from home with today’s technology.

What happens if school doesn’t go back in August? Then they will be two semesters behind.
 
We homeschooled four. They were way ahead and spent less time on “school” than any public or private school. It helped that they were all bright, but by “ahead” I mean graduating with engineering degrees from State at 19 for the first two.

K-12 education and most of college education is obsolete at this point. There are much more effective, efficient, and inexpensive ways to educate young people now, but the education establishment is going to fight it tooth and nail.

There are some real bright spots though for online learning. You can learn online just about everything MIT teaches for instance, except for the hands on and discussion type activities. Some way to enable groups to do that with a mentor/professor, and test/verify outcomes would make most engineering programs (and others, but that’s what I know) redundant.
 
So the family who can afford two or three kids in 2018 hits hard times (situation decreases, as mentioned) - what now? That's what my post was about.

The state helps them out with the kids, but ensures they have no more.
 
I have no problem with feeding kids that are hungry. My problem is that there is no way to punish the irresponsible parent or no desire to do so.

For example:

1) An employer I know called social services to report EBT fraud (I do not exactly recall the circumstances) and was told that they did not have the time to investigate.

2) An individual buying beer and lottery tickets while his wife (with 2 small kids) is complaining that they are about to get their electricity shut off.

3) People selling steaks and other items for 50 cents on the dollar (purchased with food stamps) so they can get money to buy beer, drugs, etc.

4) A one income 5 person household, where the wage earner works a low income job told by DSS that they do not qualify for food stamps. I looked at the income requirements and they did qualify.

The system is broken. There are irresponsible parents that should not be raising kids. The kids are trapped in a cycle from which they will, except for the most extraordinary, most likely, be unable to break free. What is the solution I do not know. I have heard horrors and good things about the foster system and I have seen orphanages where the kids were raised in a good environment and went on to live productive and fruitful lives.
 
I have no problem with helping people when they're down. I also suspect that social safety nets help everybody in that they reduce crime and other ill effects that would result from poverty. Bad things happen to people and probably just about everyone at some point is going to require help in some way shape or form due to things happening beyond their control.

That being said, I really do have a problem with having money compulsorily taken from me under the threat of violence and force to be given to others who chose to have "pets" that they can't afford to feed. It shouldn't be a function of govt to redistribute from those that can afford to have them to those who can't. There is the old saying about your right to swing your fist ending at the next guys nose and I see that applying here.

The sheer number of folks that are receiving this form of hand out also indicates to me that there is a fundamental, structural, problem with the cronyism (not capitalism) that drives this country.
 
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Like it or not Burke county switched quickly to serving anyone, regardless of reason. Not a failure. It was a choice.

That said, I wish they would serve up an online education for my daughter. They outright refuse to even try to teach new material. Told them they couldn’t learn that way. All she has received from teachers is review work or repeat assignments. Super does not want to do anything that isn’t perfect and applied to everyone, so they are doing nothing instead. Damn fools for leadership.

We enrolled our daughter in AZ state online for pre calc and found her a podcast for history. The rest she’ll be fine in. She doesn’t need the history stuff but she needs something to do.


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I hate hearing this down in that area. Again, our system here has been pretty impressive about the whole thing. My kids have been put on a pretty good learning track through Iready, and PowerSchool. They are kept busy working all day on different assignments, tests, having zoom meetings, and all sorts of stuff. One thing this whole mess has really done well with exposing is how different school systems really are. So when we complain about schools, we need to remember this and remember how different organizations actually handled the crisis. Some doing pretty well with what they are faced with, and some apparently pooping their pants.
 
I absolutely despise welfare, with a passion.

That said, I abhor giving the state any more power than it already has and would love to see it reduced. I would support feeding kids more than giving the state, or fed, the ability to identify who can and who can't breed.

Unfortunately, there are those who have been raised to accept failure as a way of life. Until we can figure out how to properly motivate them without ourselves becoming monsters, programs such as these will have to be continued.
 
We homeschooled four. They were way ahead and spent less time on “school” than any public or private school. It helped that they were all bright, but by “ahead” I mean graduating with engineering degrees from State at 19 for the first two.

K-12 education and most of college education is obsolete at this point. There are much more effective, efficient, and inexpensive ways to educate young people now, but the education establishment is going to fight it tooth and nail.

There are some real bright spots though for online learning. You can learn online just about everything MIT teaches for instance, except for the hands on and discussion type activities. Some way to enable groups to do that with a mentor/professor, and test/verify outcomes would make most engineering programs (and others, but that’s what I know) redundant.
I’m going to be honest. I for many years thought homeschoolers were not getting properly educated after they entered high school. I didn’t know the extent of the homeschool network. My ignorance of the system they had in place was evident. During my service calls I learned more and when I started asking kids at Chic-Fil-A about some of it I was given my education.

Ever wonder why those employees at the famous chicken place are so much different? Because almost all are home school teens. They are bright, considerate, and excellent workers who get three interviews before being hired. It’s no accident they are the cream of the food business. Chic-Fil-A does a lot of stuff for those kids. Observe the large number of children who come in to dine. They are home schoolers many times.
 
I’m going to be honest. I for many years thought homeschoolers were not getting properly educated after they entered high school. I didn’t know the extent of the homeschool network. My ignorance of the system they had in place was evident. During my service calls I learned more and when I started asking kids at Chic-Fil-A about some of it I was given my education.

Ever wonder why those employees at the famous chicken place are so much different? Because almost all are home school teens. They are bright, considerate, and excellent workers who get three interviews before being hired. It’s no accident they are the cream of the food business. Chic-Fil-A does a lot of stuff for those kids. Observe the large number of children who come in to dine. They are home schoolers many times.

I can agree with this. Back in the 80's/90's when I was going through school, the homeschoolers did come across as boobs or self induldged mammas boys/girls. I think the advent of technology, social media, the internet, and a standardization of home school curriculum has turned it around. I used to work in a restaurant in the early 2000's and we used to lament the annual home schoolers convention that would take place downtown Winston, and the families and kids that came in were both intelligent, and obnoxious. But recent homeschoolers aren't the same ilk it seems. Most likely because people who lived through those obnoxious early days learned their lessons and are now teaching in a different way.
 
Unfortunately, there are those who have been raised to accept failure as a way of life.
Which is why programs like No Child Gets Ahead that Bush II pushed are doomed from the start. Leave them behind and give them a shovel or a broom.
 
Which is why programs like No Child Gets Ahead that Bush II pushed are doomed from the start. Leave them behind and give them a shovel or a broom.

No No No. Look at the piles of tax money being spent putting kids into colleges that they have no chance of succeeding. Affirmative action for Ivy-League schools? That's what is useless B.S.: It produces a corrupted graduates carrying bogus credentials (i.e.: the Obamas) , and diminishes the achievement of those who did do the work and learn something.

Spend that money on remediation for kids that are falling behind and see if maybe that accomplishes anything positive before giving up all together. Of course, some really crappy public educators would have to be fired first.
 
Which is why programs like No Child Gets Ahead that Bush II pushed are doomed from the start. Leave them behind and give them a shovel or a broom.
No Child Left Behind was every child left behind. When you teach minimum requirements you will never maximize potential.
 
That isn’t the way things work.

Facts are facts. They don’t care whether we know them, like them, can prove them, or even ask a question about them. They just are.

Gravity was a fact before there were any people at all. It was never a myth.
So you just except any governmental “fact” without question.

Like 30,000 kids in one school system need free lunches.
 
So you just except any governmental “fact” without question.

Like 30,000 kids in one school system need free lunches.
Where did I say that?

If you had said any claim by the gov is untrustworthy until independently verified, I would agree with you 100%. But you didn’t say that. I responded to exactly what you said. You are now responding to what you imagine I said.
 
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So you just except any governmental “fact” without question.

Like 30,000 kids in one school system need free lunches.

This is an extremely simple concept.

To get free lunch you have to qualify. Which means you have to register, sign up, and then get approved based on household income. It isn't an imaginary number they throw out there. It is a factual number based on those who registered for it and received it.

If you wish to educate yourself you could look up the process and see what it takes and what information needs to be provided to be approved for it.

Now, your "OPINION" on whether those people need/deserve it is irrelevant to anything other than what any one of us paid for it. Nothing. And it is good to see that most people are happy to err on the side of kids getting fed over holding some grudge against people you don't know based on experiences you don't understand just because you refuse to accept facts for what they are.
 
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