Dave Grossman speech

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Interesting...ran across this on Youtube. I like to hear him speak so I started listening.

I have not watched it all at this point as I found this part extremely coincidental to today's events in the world. Pay close attention to when he gets to about 8:20 and what he is talking about.


 
That was rather eerie. I only made it 10 minutes in. .
 
If you want to know why cops think of themselves as warriors, and believe they’re fighting a war on the streets of these United States (where it’s the safest time it’s been to be a cop since 1880 and no war exists), Exhibit A is Dave Grossman.
 
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I’ve read his work and watched a few of his lectures.

Grossman pushes the premise that most people are incapable of violence toward another human. That is pure, 100% , Grade A unadulterated bullsh*t. Both history and human nature prove otherwise.

The 4th chapter of the Book of Genesis gives the account of Cain taking the life of his own flesh and blood...his brother, Abel. It wasn’t an act of self-defense or an accident from horseplay gone wrong. In a fit of jealous rage, Cain murdered Abel.

It’s not like he cut the brake lines on Abel’s chariot so he’d go off a cliff or dug a punji pit at Abel’s front door and concealed it with a “WELCOME” mat. The jury’s still out on the “how”. Some folks believe he used a knife to disembowel Abel. I’m in the crowd that believes he caved Abel’s skull in with a rock (based on the Aramaic translation of the Tanakh). Either way, it was “hands-on”...up close and personal.

So what gave Cain the motive/ability to commit this act? Did he spend too much time playing COD or GTA on X-Box? Did he gorge himself on violent movies or listen to gangsta rap all day on his iPod while plowing the fields? Was he trained to kill without hesitation and had that been cultivated for years?

Nah.

In was in his nature as a human being...just took the right situation to bring it out of him. Folks have engaged in wholesale violence and have been wantonly/willingly killing each other since the dawn of time.
 
I’d say “most people are incapable of violence toward another human” is correct in this day and age. Push them over time and many will.

IMO Cain murdered his ideal out of jealousy, self pity and anger at reality.
Jordan Peterson (he wouldn’t be considered a classic Christian, many feel he’s not Christian, not my position to judge) does a fascinating psychological breakdown of Cain & Abel.
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-jordan-b-peterson-podcast/id1184022695?i=1000389518519
Podcast Description:
Lecture 5 in my Psychological Significance of the Biblical Stories lecture series
The account of Cain and Abel is remarkable for its unique combination of brevity and depth. In a few short sentences, it outlines two diametrically opposed modes of being -- both responses to the emergence of self-consciousness and the knowledge of good and evil detailed in story of Adam and Eve.
Cain's mode of being -- resentful, arrogant and murderous -- arises because his sacrifices are rejected by God. This means that his attempts to give up something valuable in the present to ensure prosperity in the future are insufficient. He fails, in consequence, to thrive, as he believes he should, and becomes bitter, resentful and murderous.
Abel's mode of being is characterized, by contrast, by proper sacrifice -- by the establishment of balance between present action and future benefit. This ensures his personal and social success, accruing over time. Unfortunately, it also makes him the target of Cain's malevolence.
This great short story is relevant personally, on the level of the family, and politically, all with equal force, all simultaneously.
 
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I've not seen him, but I've read the books. They are good.

Like everyone else, he's never 100% right or 100% wrong.

I agree with @wsfiredude , EVERYONE is capable of violence in the right circumstances. Try to stand between a mama and her babies. What I think is often the case is people try to defer violence until it's too late, incorrectly assuming help will intervene before they have to become violent...then it's too little too late.
 
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