Netflix waco

I've been watching it off and on over the past few days. I'm no Waco expert but have watched the congressional hearings and read first hand accounts in the past. It seems to be pretty accurate so far. To be honest I'm shocked Netflix has it up for streaming with what I have seen so far.

Makes my blood boil.
 
There was a pretty thorough documentary on WACO back in the VHS days.
It comes down on the side of the three innocent dead inside that were burned to death by the ATF..

If I recall correctly, all of the firearms were legally purchased, legal to possess.
During that time, the ATF and FBI were found to have sent in agents provocateur to incite groups that were merely mouthy into more violent words and actions.
You can bet that even today every group with "patriot" or "militia" in the name has AP's in them too.

Update: Waco: Rules of Engagement is on Amazon Prime.
1997 documenrary.

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fishgutzy said:
There was a pretty thorough documentary on WACO back in the VHS days.
It comes down on the side of the three innocent dead inside that were burned to death by the ATF..

If I recall correctly, all of the firearms were legally purchased, legal to possess.
During that time, the ATF and FBI were found to have sent in agents provocateur to incite groups that were merely mouthy into more violent words and actions.
You can bet that even today every group with "patriot" or "militia" in the name has AP's in them too.

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"This resulted in the deaths of 76 Branch Davidians, including 25 children, two pregnant women and David Koresh."

At least 25 innocent dead. But really 76.
 
I’m halfway through episode 3, so far I’m impressed it hasn’t been a pro-FBI/ATF show. They even wove in the story of the murdering agents at Ruby Ridge.
I’m curious about the timing. Is it possibly because Drump’s best choice for AG was the attorney that kept the murderers in both cases from being held responsible?
 
The wife and I finished it last night. I was genuinely surprised that Netflix was even streaming it as it definitely has an anti-gov theme. Despite it being easy to argue David Karesh(sp?) to be crazy, the series depicted him as non-violent, wanting to be left alone, and as a stereotypical cult leader.

The series showed the government, both ATF and FBI, to be more concerned with their careers and perception than human life, not to mention right vs wrong. I didn’t know much about Ruby ridge so it was interesting that they wove that into the show as well.

I was disappointed that they didn’t wrap up with what happened to the ATF & FBI agents involved. I genuinely don’t know, did any get charged, fired, transferred, publicly embarrassed? We know 76 citizens died but nothing about the government.
 
So I finished it and enjoyed it. While I don’t agree with the stuff David claimed about being the second coming and that nonsense. I am on the side of the Branch Davidians, The ATF straight up executed them. “We’re charging your compound with tanks and armored vehicles, bashing the walls down and spraying in gas, but this is not an assault.” WTF! My nearly 80 year old mom came up out of her seat and almost threw her cane at the TV & the Agent That said it.

I really believe the ATF fired first.
 
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I really believe the ATF fired first.
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Both the video from the initial raid and (IIRC) the front doors of the compound that were shot up both were unaccounted for and have never been found. Those pieces of evidence just vanished.

In my best Denzel voice, "Its not what you know, its what you can prove."
 
It's not a Netflix show. It was on Paramount Network a couple of years ago. Didn't get good ratings then. Just being rehashed and everyone is home and bored...
 
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My wife is a big fan of A&E network shows... so when i saw an ad for their "WACO: Madman or Messiah" - 2 night event, 2hrs each night, I was like "oh, we could watch that..."
She had a hard time believing it could be true.

I haven't seen this new series yet though. I see it has Michael Shannon as a the FBI agent in charge, so that right there is a big hint it is going to be strongly anti-govt.
 
The rock song they played in the tower....Taylor Kitsch did a great job


And the Ruby Ridge reminder in episode 1 is enough to set the mood for the series and piss anyone off
 
I opted to not watch this as I figured it was twisted. Maybe Ill give it a look as I finished netflix last week; At least the stuff I saw fit to consume.

R
 
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This and Ruby Ridge was a thorn in the side of Jeff Cooper. In his news letters he would end with...Remember Horoguchi is still out and amongst us. Horoguchi was the wife-baby sniper murderer at Ruby Ridge.
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When the Feds swooped in and took over his case from the state, and dismissed the manslaughter charge, that right there should have ripped any doubt Americans had... the fix was in.
 
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When the Feds swooped in and took over his case from the state, and dismissed the manslaughter charge, that right there should have ripped any doubt Americans had... the fix was in.
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I’m not poking you, just bouncing off your comment.
You mean Clorox gargling Drumph’s that “nominates only the best people” choice of the traitor, tyrant, gun grabbing, murder by the State supporting Bill Barr? G00gle “Bill Barr ruby ridge”, there’s many articles.
https://gunowners.org/bill-barr-needs-to-answer-for-his-role-in-ruby-ridge/

https://www.theamericanconservative...nnection-to-ruby-ridge-defending-fbi-snipers/
 
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hrm. wife was already aware of the series on netflix and was waiting to have me watch it...
 
BatteryOaksBilly said:
This and Ruby Ridge was a thorn in the side of Jeff Cooper. In his news letters he would end with...Remember Horoguchi is still out and amongst us. Horoguchi was the wife-baby sniper murderer at Ruby Ridge.
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Horo was hired by HS Precision as a spokesman years ago (kinda sick in a way), and Dale Monroe (his RR partner) was hired by a Troy Ind subsidiary.

Unsure where they are now
 
This is my opinion - and very controversial, no doubt.

But from a tactical perspective, when the ATF ran out of ammunition after the initial raid on 28 February 1993 - the Davidians' decision to hold their fire and allow the agents to retreat rather than take the fight to them and wipe them out, while honorable, was a blunder.

One could certainly argue that had they done so, the seige would likely not lasted 51 days, and that the government would have immediately attacked and wiped out the Davidians.

Given the actual results....the Davidians sold that compound to the Feds far too cheaply.

That is the object lesson.

And that the government, any government, is force. Period. And if its motivation is vengeance, it will kill you and your entire family, including women and children.
 
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Waco was a turning point for me, made an insane amount of money from the government and the media.

wasn’t Waco where the phrase “we’re gonna save them to death” was coined?
 
Looks like we’re starting this tonight. Wife wants to watch it.
 
fishgutzy said:
Update: Waco: Rules of Engagement is on Amazon Prime.
1997 documenrary.

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Just finished this one tonight. It is very eye-opening, especially to the extent the State and those who work for it will go to kill you, lie about it, and cover it up.
 
Libs: Guys, but this was way back in the day!
GOV: (Shoots man surrendering after trying to hold his own land)
Libs: There is no way that could happen today.
GOV: (Shuts down churches but leaves abortion clinics open)
Libs: I think y’all are all living in the past:
GOV: (Arrests salon owner for trying to earn a living)
Libs: We have checks and balances against this now, but Id vote for Biden even if he raped 100 women!
GOV: (Closes state parks for camping)
Libs: But Walmart is essential for survival products.
Also libs: Walmart is evil and crushes small businesses.
GOV: (Bans sale of seeds)
Libs: if you seriously doubt the governments motives you are a traitor!
GOV: (politely asks you forget how the nation was founded)


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He would have had his message heard and been seen as a hero to many if his target was: the FBI agents in charge, Horiuchi (the sniper at Ruby Ridge & Waco), an empty FBI/ATF building at 4 am. Instead he murdered a bunch of people that had nothing to do with the previous atrocities.
 
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Libs: Guys, but this was way back in the day!
GOV: (Shoots man surrendering after trying to hold his own land)
Libs: There is no way that could happen today.
GOV: (Shuts down churches but leaves abortion clinics open)
Libs: I think y’all are all living in the past:
GOV: (Arrests salon owner for trying to earn a living)
Libs: We have checks and balances against this now, but Id vote for Biden even if he raped 100 women!
GOV: (Closes state parks for camping)
Libs: But Walmart is essential for survival products.
Also libs: Walmart is evil and crushes small businesses.
GOV: (Bans sale of seeds)
Libs: if you seriously doubt the governments motives you are a traitor!
GOV: (politely asks you forget how the nation was founded)


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Also
GOV: shoots sleeping man through window.
Libs: well he shouldn't have posted those memes.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/14/duncan-socrates-lemp-maryland-shot-police-officer
 
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