Defensive Shooting in Las Vegas

This falls under the category of "Doing Stupid Things":

"B.J. Baldwin, a defensive pistol practitioner and champion road racer, said he and his girlfriend had just grabbed a late-night dinner at an In-N-Out Burger restaurant and were in a parking lot catching up on emails and social media when their ordeal began around 1:46 a.m. April 22."'

Don't sit in your car at a burger joint at 1:46 am catching up on emails and social media.
 
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Ridiculous!!!!!!!
 
This falls under the category of "Stupid Things":

"B.J. Baldwin, a defensive pistol practitioner and champion road racer, said he and his girlfriend had just grabbed a late-night dinner at an In-N-Out Burger restaurant and were in a parking lot catching up on emails and social media when their ordeal began around 1:46 a.m. April 22."'

Don't sit in your car at a burger joint at 1:46 am catching up on emails and social media.
I dont think they were in the car, but maybe wrong on that
 
The guy can shoot:

The gunman died after being hit with 10 shots in a shootout that Baldwin estimated lasted 3.8 seconds.

Each shot Baldwin fired at the gunman hit its target, including nine to the chest and one to "the central nervous system." (The second suspect fled.)
 
Came across this article today and found myself saying “wtf” several times while reading it......


https://www.foxnews.com/us/las-vegas-gun-owner-recalls-deadly-shootout-i-got-all-of-my-hits

Curiouser and curiouser… and a big "wtf" indeed.

“A police report cited in the Review-Journal stated that the elder of the Smith brothers had become agitated after an unsuccessful attempt to purchase a gun from a store in the complex earlier in the day. The brothers noticed Baldwin and Nonaka in their vehicle when they returned to the area later. “

Was there a dispute between the parties earlier at the gun shop? Did they come back to target Mr. Baldwin and girlfriend specifically, and if so, how did they know where to find them? Or were the Brothers Smith just out looking for targets of opportunity?

Then there’s this article that includes a release by Baldwin Motorsports as well as transcript of the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Homicide Lieutenant’s statement: https://racer.com/2020/04/26/baldwin-cooperating-with-police-after-fatal-shooting-in-las-vegas/

“A social media star with a huge online following”. Yep. That might explain why his statements in the Fox News story read pretty much like they do. Maybe his intent was to be factual, but they come off to me as being polished, rehearsed and packaged to promote the brand (him).

By the by, his girlfriend is no slouch with a firearm, either.
 
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So that link creates more questions for me.
Ok, so in the first, his words, they were spotted 80 yards out and he knew they wanted to kill him and his gf
But in this they are in the car and at the trunk of the car (approaching from the rear?), so if he thought they wanted to kill him at 240' out, why did he allow/wait for them to get feet from the car?
 
Nine to the chest? What was he shooting? Nine of just about anything to the chest should have discouraged the aggressor fairly well but evidently did not in this case. Perhaps he did not realize he had been hit nine times in the chest in 3.8 seconds. That seems unlikely. The dude was only 15 yards away when the defensive shooter started acting, so the aggressor was close when the first shot was fired. I would like to hear more details.

This almost makes me want to start carrying a Glock 21 or perhaps a 629 on each hip.
 
So that link creates more questions for me.
Ok, so in the first, his words, they were spotted 80 yards out and he knew they wanted to kill him and his gf
But in this they are in the car and at the trunk of the car (approaching from the rear?), so if he thought they wanted to kill him at 240' out, why did he allow/wait for them to get feet from the car?

My thoughts as well.

More from the "wtf" department (and my linked article above):

"Earlier in the evening there were two black males were seen walking through the apartment complex directly adjacent to the business behind me. Once they walked across the street, they encountered a male and female who were having dinner in the parking lot of this business behind me. They were near the trunk of their vehicle. At some point there was an altercation between the two black males and the male and the female that were having dinner in the parking lot."

"Police say Baldwin and his girlfriend left the scene, then called police to report the shooting. Police say a woman who had a relationship with the deceased man came to the scene and took his gun.”

I'd sure like to read the official report to find out what scenario actually stuck to the wall...Either this is the world's most perfect defensive shooting, or, in my suspicious mind, there's more going on than we'll ever know.
 
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A. It was Vegas. 1:46AM means nothing. Why should they have to alter their life for bad guys?
B. It was Vegas. Why question anything? Personally, I thought it was good situational awareness.
C. The girlfriend. She was probably jealous he got all the shots.
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Just checked out his Instagram. Pretty interesting, dude hangs out with Joe Rogan, Taran Butler (which is probably where he found this girlfriend) and Dan Blizerian.
 
Am I going to need my chest waders for this BS or are my hip boots going to be enough??

If you're like me, you've made enough trips around the sun to know when a pair of muck boots will suffice!
Sorta like a train wreck - I want to look away, but just can't...:D
 
Im not saying this was a bad shoot or he shouldnt have done it etc, but this guy is full of crap.
 
Hmm.
Starting to appear that some are not upset about the shoot, but offended..in their view.. that Baldwin isn't contrite and humble enough about it.
"Yes, I had to shoot in self defense, and God almighty guided my hand but gosh,,sure wish he was still alive and I didn't have to do that."= ok
"The fool came up on me wanting to start s*** and I gave him some because he had it coming. Then I went home and slept like a baby."= not ok.

One of my long time good friends flew F4 phantoms in Vietnam for the Navy. 202 missions, one of 32 pilots to fly that many, and never lost a plane. Watched McCain get shot down, as well as many other things that are absolutely mind-blowing.
The things this guy says can be startlingly offensive. He's not particularly rude, but he also doesn't care about your sensitivities.

This pilot and Baldwin are obviously cut from the same uber alpha-male cloth. Folks get all upset about their abrasive personality, until they need a fighter pilot or professional race truck driver...which to be successful, pretty much require exactly that type of gtfo of my way and hold my beer type attitude.
My advice, fwiw, is protect your sensitivities and isolate yourself from these kind of people, or learn how to deal with it. They're not going away.
 
If I read it correctly, his girlfriend is the famed Tori Nonaka who is a pretty popular figure in the shooting world. I used to follow her a bit, but she seemed to be pretty heavy into the self-promotion through social media, so her checking it and working on it that late/early isnt really a shocker. And as mentioned up stream, its Vegas...does time even matter there?

https://www.torinonaka.com/

As far as the dudes quotes...yeah, he comes across pretty brash and arrogant about what he did, but as Friday mentioned, that was his personality before this, so not really surprised by it.
 
Judging by the company he keeps, yes he's one of those arrogant, I'm all that kind of dudes. But, they also have all the really hot chicks hanging around them too. It's like a guy that used to come to our shoots years ago. He was arrogant and bragged a lot and everybody hated him. But, what made it worse, he was really that good.
 
What's the old saying? "It ain't bragging if you can do it" or something like that. I've never shot anyone, but if someone tries to rob ,assault or kill me or one of my loved ones, I don't think I would lose any sleep over killing them. Who knows? I hope I never have to find out.
 
Hmm.
Starting to appear that some are not upset about the shoot, but offended..in their view.. that Baldwin isn't contrite and humble enough about it.
"Yes, I had to shoot in self defense, and God almighty guided my hand but gosh,,sure wish he was still alive and I didn't have to do that."= ok
"The fool came up on me wanting to start s*** and I gave him some because he had it coming. Then I went home and slept like a baby."= not ok.

One of my long time good friends flew F4 phantoms in Vietnam for the Navy. 202 missions, one of 32 pilots to fly that many, and never lost a plane. Watched McCain get shot down, as well as many other things that are absolutely mind-blowing.
The things this guy says can be startlingly offensive. He's not particularly rude, but he also doesn't care about your sensitivities.

This pilot and Baldwin are obviously cut from the same uber alpha-male cloth. Folks get all upset about their abrasive personality, until they need a fighter pilot or professional race truck driver...which to be successful, pretty much require exactly that type of gtfo of my way and hold my beer type attitude.
My advice, fwiw, is protect your sensitivities and isolate yourself from these kind of people, or learn how to deal with it. They're not going away.

I’m not exactly sure who you’re addressing since I didn’t really see anyone who was “offended” by his responses and you decided not to quote anyone but as the OP, I’ll address it.

The “WTF” aspects to this story are the vague mention of some sort of interaction at a gun store, the dead BG’s girlfriend coming and taking the gun and his down to the tenth of a second description of how things went down.

I think most of us think he sounds like a colossal douche bag, but make no mistake, my sensitivities were not offended, hell I don’t even have any to begin with.
 
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Looks like they did some editing on that article..
 
4 seconds total engagement - 1.5 sec draw = 2.5sec


2.5sec divided by 10 shots = .25 sec shot splits...

Dude appears to have shot world class times...

1/4 second shot splits is Grand Master territory....
 
The second the girl came and retrieved the gun she was a threat to life. Bullet for her as well.
 
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I am curious about what firearm the defender was using and when during the short fight the aggressor was able to get off 7 shots. I assume the aggressor was shooting before the defender got his pistol into the fight
 
I am curious about what firearm the defender was using and when during the short fight the aggressor was able to get off 7 shots. I assume the aggressor was shooting before the defender got his pistol into the fight

looks like from his Instagram posts he carries a Glock 19 with RMR.
 
The second the girl came and retrieved the gun she was a threat to life. Bullet for her as well.

...it was after the shooting...she wasn’t even there during it.


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