Moving to NC...from the Dictatorial Republic of Kanada!

You will also have to learn what us Southerners mean when we say, "Well, bless your heart."

Lol! So that's not self explanatory?!?! Oh man, so much to learn.

I grew up on nothing but US television, from thelittle rascals to COPS. The best TV and radio we could get here was from Cleveland (WMMS and WUAB), I think the TV practically raised me, maybe that's why I don't fit in here (I need to go to the island of misfit toys!) ;)
 
I should also add, I'm an avid reloader. Gramps taught me at around 8 or 9, although I didn't really take interest until my 30's. Now I buy a gun if I find enough brass of a new caliber at the range. last one was .300 win mag. No idea why I bought one of those but it sure rings the gong at 300yards :)

I happened to arrive at our range right after some show of some sort for Vortex optics. I've never had a score like that...hundreds of spent 7.62x51 cases, and pounds of 6.5 creedmore. I actually stopped by the store on the way home and bought dies and a Bergara B14 for the Creedmore. That is by far my most accurate bolt now. So sometimes the range dictates our road in life :)
 
Ontario then? I was trying to guess, didn't see if you mentioned it upstream.

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Sounds like you'll fit right in with this motley crew. Just don't be a hoser, eh. :D



Seriously, you're the kind of person I want to see immigrate here. I'm a transplanted midwesterner & did NOT want to come here, but fell in love with NC when Uncle Sam sent me here anyway. Stayed here when I retired from the Army & have called NC home for 25 years now. Great place to live & damned good people.

Fair warning, as regards the forum- the inmates are running the asylum :cool: Welcome aboard.
 
One of the best introduction threads yet! I have enjoyed reading through it.

Greetings and welcome to CFF! Happy to have you on board with us and I wish you and yours the very best in the move/adventure down south here.

I will try my best not to picture you as Bob or Doug McKenzie :D
 
Ontario then? I was trying to guess, didn't see if you mentioned it upstream.

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Oops sorry, someone did ask that, the thread kind of got away from me.
Yes, London Ontario to be exact.
Our gun range got a notice today that the developer that bought the land adjacent to the range (which has been there for almost 100 years) has a problem with us, and looking for the county to set up "noise and firearm discharge bylaws". Meaning the antis are also after the places we can shoot, as well as what we can shoot. Our Prime Minister is working "closely" with the NZ PM on how to completely obliterate private gun ownership, and believe me, your antis are watching it closely too :(
 
One of the best introduction threads yet! I have enjoyed reading through it.

Greetings and welcome to CFF! Happy to have you on board with us and I wish you and yours the very best in the move/adventure down south here.

I will try my best not to picture you as Bob or Doug McKenzie :D

No idea why that would be a problem eh?
 
Weā€™re proud you chose North Carolina (and CFF)!

 
Sounds like you'll fit right in with this motley crew. Just don't be a hoser, eh. :D



Seriously, you're the kind of person I want to see immigrate here. I'm a transplanted midwesterner & did NOT want to come here, but fell in love with NC when Uncle Sam sent me here anyway. Stayed here when I retired from the Army & have called NC home for 25 years now. Great place to live & damned good people.

Fair warning, as regards the forum- the inmates are running the asylum :cool: Welcome aboard.


I can't stress enough that I do not want to rock the boat, neither here on the forum or in the new home. I say if it ain't broke...

I honestly can't believe the friendliness so far. I keep waiting for the trap to spring so to speak lol. "They can't be this nice". I mean, when a Canadian is shocked at how nice a community is....
 
Oops sorry, someone did ask that, the thread kind of got away from me.
Yes, London Ontario to be exact.
Our gun range got a notice today that the developer that bought the land adjacent to the range (which has been there for almost 100 years) has a problem with us, and looking for the county to set up "noise and firearm discharge bylaws". Meaning the antis are also after the places we can shoot, as well as what we can shoot. Our Prime Minister is working "closely" with the NZ PM on how to completely obliterate private gun ownership, and believe me, your antis are watching it closely too :(
Ah, cool. I'll have to look it up. Done some work in Toronto proper, Mississauga and Vancouver, traveled to my former employer's office a few times too.
As for the ranges, they've tried that down here as well though not near me- out towards Charlotte I believe, and down near the coast. Someone will be along shortly to correct me [emoji16]

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Ah, cool. I'll have to look it up. Done some work in Toronto proper, Mississauga and Vancouver, traveled to my former employer's office a few times too.
As for the ranges, they've tried that down here as well though not near me- out towards Charlotte I believe, and down near the coast. Someone will be along shortly to correct me [emoji16]

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Aboot 1.5 hours south of Mississauga, down the deathrap pipe known as the 401 :)

This is the reason I'm looking for something off the beaten path, that won't have a 200 house development go in nearby anytime soon. I'll take creeks, rivers, anything that can't be easily built on (I've worked for a number of builders and developers over the years, I know what they look for usually....)
 
Welcome aboard! Originally from Buffalo, NY here so am kinda familiar with Ontario. Have great memories of my Dad and I taking fishing trips there. Sounds like you will be a great addition to America. You are more then welcome to fly our flag and I donā€™t mind if you fly the Canadian flag too. We fought together during a few wars and we might have to do that again. Maybe even in our own backyard this time.
You must do only one thing though: leave your bacon in .
 
@High Caliber I didnt read the whole thread, but I'll give a heads up in the event someone hasnt already.
Most of us are here because an old place sold out to a company based in Canada, a company that's anti-gun. IT's why this place was created.
So youll see some on here bash Canada because to some Canada = the company that's anti-2A.
Dont take it to heart.
Many of us have visited and enjoyed your homeland.
Toronto was one of my favorite places to visit ever
 
Welcome aboard! Originally from Buffalo, NY here so am kinda familiar with Ontario. Have great memories of my Dad and I taking fishing trips there. Sounds like you will be a great addition to America. You are more then welcome to fly our flag and I donā€™t mind if you fly the Canadian flag too. We fought together during a few wars and we might have to do that again. Maybe even in our own backyard this time.
You must do only one thing though: leave your bacon in .

Yes, both my grandparents fought in WW2, I think they must be rolling around in their graves at how we have let this country (and our freedom) slide. I mean, what did they fight for if we just hand it away??
The country is beautiful, and there are a LOT of excellent people here. It's the political climate and education that is souring it. I just don't see a way of reversing it at this point, it's like being in Venezuela 10 years ago and seeing the "socialist paradise" for the death pit it really was. This guy can't just keep throwing money at people and taxing the bejezus out of the few of us making money (my tax bill was $120K last year, and I'm now a paper criminal... go figure that I'm leaving). Taxes are going to have to go up, and we're at a ~73% "real" tax rate I believe, when you factor in Federal, Provincial, property, sales and sin taxes. They keep talking about "free" heathcare, but the ones who are paying for it are in line behind the people stealing out of our cars, you can't pay extra because that's not the socialist way. Let's not even talk about our "open borders" and teh way they hand out voting cards to anyone that agrees to vote the right way. I far prefer your method, I'm going to have to earn the right to vote, and it's going to take a long time. Oh, and no, I won't be flying the Canadian flag, I would consider it as offensive as the guy down the street that flies the Portuguese flag. Go back to Portugal then! If I'm American, I'm all in.

I'm going to figure out the bacon and mayo at some point, have patience.
 
@High Caliber I didnt read the whole thread, but I'll give a heads up in the event someone hasnt already.
Most of us are here because an old place sold out to a company based in Canada, a company that's anti-gun. IT's why this place was created.
So youll see some on here bash Canada because to some Canada = the company that's anti-2A.
Dont take it to heart.
Many of us have visited and enjoyed your homeland.
Toronto was one of my favorite places to visit ever

Toronto isn't what you remember... think Portland mixed with Bangladesh. Honestly you wouldn't recognize the place (I don't).

Oh and I'm not a thin skinned fella, otherwise I'd vote democrat ;)
What's the company? I boycot any company that is anti gun. Hell "ducks unlimited" is anti-gun up here, if you can believe that! I'd have to say that since our clown price made gun bashing popular, EVERYONE is suddenly militantly anti gun, and since we don't have a Constitution, we can't even cite 2A, so bash away. I mean, if I wanted to defend Canada, I'd stay, no? (but I appreciate the head's up and nobody needs to tiptoe around me) . Even California has good solid people in it, but I still call all of California 'Canada south'..... ;)
 
Toronto isn't what you remember... think Portland mixed with Bangladesh. Honestly you wouldn't recognize the place (I don't).

Oh and I'm not a thin skinned fella, otherwise I'd vote democrat ;)
What's the company? I boycot any company that is anti gun. Hell "ducks unlimited" is anti-gun up here, if you can believe that! I'd have to say that since our clown price made gun bashing popular, EVERYONE is suddenly militantly anti gun, and since we don't have a Constitution, we can't even cite 2A, so bash away. I mean, if I wanted to defend Canada, I'd stay, no? (but I appreciate the head's up and nobody needs to tiptoe around me) . Even California has good solid people in it, but I still call all of California 'Canada south'..... ;)
I was in Tor last summer lol
 
I was in Tor last summer lol
Where did you stay?

We were there last week, flew out of Porter airlines, and the smell out of the sewer almost made us sick, and the people sleeping literally all over the sidewalks in sleeping bags made it hard to get from the hotel! I've been going to TO since about '74, my whole family was from there originally, some still live there. I suppose I just can't get over that the place is SO different than what I remember. Traffic is quite literally worse than Los Angeles. They're going to widen the highway to 12 lanes I believe, so you simply don't drive in Toronto after 3pm unless you can take the 407 and bypass everything. You CAN get a decent meal and a nice hotel there, I mean it's still a world-class city, and who knows maybe I'll hit downtown Raleigh one night and think I'm out of my league too. I'm just a small town boy that wants my small towns back lol.
 
Welcome to the forum!
NC is a great state, lots of good land there, SC is as well (where I am). SC is generally a little friendlier on gun ownership than NC in that there is none of the pistol permit here around purchasing permits but depending on which county in NC you're living getting a concealed carry permit might be a little quicker there. SC it's a standard process across the whole state, basic gun safety lesson with education on the carry laws of the state followed by a simple range test just to prove you can generally hit what you're aiming for, permit and fee goes to the state law enforcement offices and within 90 days they're required by state law to issue you a permit if you're not disqualified by felony status or the like. In NC the permits are issued by the local sherrifs office, you're in a 2a friendly county and your permit goes pretty quick from what I've seen/heard.

My advice since you're saying you're bringing your biz with you is to look at your biz, decide what size/type of buyer you need your customer base to be and then look at the cities that can support your biz needs and then look at the rural areas around that for a good plot of land. You'll be driving everywhere anyway so you might as well get some benefits, which your posts didn't sound like you're living in a city now so you're prob used to that. I live about 45 miles from work (live in the country and work in one of the larger cities near me) drive to work is about 45 minutes each way. I know people who live 10 miles away from their jobs in larger cities that spend longer than that getting to work (here's looking at you Atlanta).

I think the overwhelming majority of people in the area like it here, they like the way it is here and the only people you'll see us actively shun are the people who come here and want to change it into the same s%$thole they just left (ie everyone in Cali leaving and bringing their bullsh#$t to CO and TX). You moving to the area to participate in the values we hold means you should fit in very well.

Again, welcome and good luck with the move.
 

Ahhhhhh. Okay. I suppose it's like our "eh", which can mean almost anything, it's in the way it's said. In fact, if I had to put thought into it, I'd bet I have about 20 different ways to say eh, but each sounds a little bit different. The eskimos have something like 50 different words for snow too, but that could be false because I don't speak eskimo.

I did once convince a guy from Arizona that we had penguins up here. In fact, I can likely entertain myself for the rest of my days telling people about the "stuff we gots back home". I once sent a pic of a crab I stuffed in a snowbank to my sister's husband. I think to this day he believes that's where snow crab comes from.
 
Welcome to the forum!
NC is a great state, lots of good land there, SC is as well (where I am). SC is generally a little friendlier on gun ownership than NC in that there is none of the pistol permit here around purchasing permits but depending on which county in NC you're living getting a concealed carry permit might be a little quicker there. SC it's a standard process across the whole state, basic gun safety lesson with education on the carry laws of the state followed by a simple range test just to prove you can generally hit what you're aiming for, permit and fee goes to the state law enforcement offices and within 90 days they're required by state law to issue you a permit if you're not disqualified by felony status or the like. In NC the permits are issued by the local sherrifs office, you're in a 2a friendly county and your permit goes pretty quick from what I've seen/heard.

My advice since you're saying you're bringing your biz with you is to look at your biz, decide what size/type of buyer you need your customer base to be and then look at the cities that can support your biz needs and then look at the rural areas around that for a good plot of land. You'll be driving everywhere anyway so you might as well get some benefits, which your posts didn't sound like you're living in a city now so you're prob used to that. I live about 45 miles from work (live in the country and work in one of the larger cities near me) drive to work is about 45 minutes each way. I know people who live 10 miles away from their jobs in larger cities that spend longer than that getting to work (here's looking at you Atlanta).

I think the overwhelming majority of people in the area like it here, they like the way it is here and the only people you'll see us actively shun are the people who come here and want to change it into the same s%$thole they just left (ie everyone in Cali leaving and bringing their bullsh#$t to CO and TX). You moving to the area to participate in the values we hold means you should fit in very well.

Again, welcome and good luck with the move.
I'm in a city of about 500,000 people, I'm on the outskirts, but our "international airport" only goes to jamaica or something crazy like that. It used to go to Chicago but I think they stopped that. So I'm used to the city setting, but I would say my neighborhood is about 80% liberal. The city set up a snitch line to report your neighbors if they're doing things you don't like. THAT'S INSANE.

the business is biotech, so we're sort of locked on the bio triangle in NC, that's our best option for finding workers that understand the biz, that we won't have to spend a lot for training, and it diffuses some companies that won't deal with red states (there's a lot of that in bio/drug research).

I'm not too worried about carry policies either. Here, if I even showed any handgun in public I'd have a swat team on me in minutes (again...snitches), so it's not something I would miss unless I was routinely in areas where I felt need to use it. I shoot 3-gun up here (well I did before the ban), so I'm not a slouch with the handgun, but not super high on the checklist (may change who knows). Plus the hockey arena is here...there's some truth to the myth that all Canadians love hockey, we really do! ;)
 
Welcome, we're happy to have you with us.
 
Thanks everyone, I'm totally overwhelmed. I have a few PMs, a few names, and a lot of thinking and researching to do.

you know, when I moved into this house 16 years ago, I was greeted by the neighbor with a fresh baked apple pie. I was all "wow that's really nice!", of course that lasted all of 5 minutes before she asked for a hole in my fence and a path through my yard for her kids (we back onto greenspace, she is locked from it by two corner lots). She's still my neighbor and she still only talks to us when she wants something. This has been a very refreshing experience. Thank you.
 
Where did you stay?

We were there last week, flew out of Porter airlines, and the smell out of the sewer almost made us sick, and the people sleeping literally all over the sidewalks in sleeping bags made it hard to get from the hotel! I've been going to TO since about '74, my whole family was from there originally, some still live there. I suppose I just can't get over that the place is SO different than what I remember. Traffic is quite literally worse than Los Angeles. They're going to widen the highway to 12 lanes I believe, so you simply don't drive in Toronto after 3pm unless you can take the 407 and bypass everything. You CAN get a decent meal and a nice hotel there, I mean it's still a world-class city, and who knows maybe I'll hit downtown Raleigh one night and think I'm out of my league too. I'm just a small town boy that wants my small towns back lol.

Just off Queen, on Euclid. I had a delicious steak at The Dogs Bollocks which was about at the end of the street on Queen.

I really liked the city a lot, loved it, really.
No issues with bums or anything and we trekked through a ton of the city.
 
This is the reason I'm looking for something off the beaten path, that won't have a 200 house development go in nearby anytime soon. I'll take creeks, rivers, anything that can't be easily built on (I've worked for a number of builders and developers over the years, I know what they look for usually....)

There have been several mentions about Pittsboro and northern Chatham. The CEO of SASS is building Chatham Park on the North eastern side of Pittsboro. It's going to be A HUGE development. I forget the number of homes slated to be in there but it's in the 1000s. The house you posted earlier will be very near it.

I'm in southern Chatham and have commuted to RTP and the universities fir the past 20 years. It's not a bad commute. With the housing budget your have, you could buy 100 acres and a house on this side of Chatham and only add 20 minutes to your daily commute.

Full disclosure, I'm a country boy and dont care for the city life or neighborhoods.
 
I looked at a listing in Pittsboro, https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/87-Baldwins-Xing-Pittsboro-NC-27312/114001427_zpid/ (I hope links are okay, some forums don't allow). We just have to be within say an hour of a major airport, 2 hours if the place is perfect, so I'll check out Chatham county too, thank a lot for that, I'm really looking at a move totally blind so this helps a lot.
Check out Lincoln and Catawba counties. less than 2 hours from Charlotte airport and more available land and a lot less expensive
 
I just have to say... our heads don't really move like that, although all of our tires are indeed square. We also DO say "hey relax fella, take a load off, yer dogs must be barkin" a lot ;)
I know, :D just some good old fashioned new guy ribbing, welcome to the best forum on the net good buddy!
 
Welcome! I hope the transition is as smooth as possible for you.

Orange County is blue, but a lot of the areas like Hillsborough are somehow still free. Check out Alamance county (Mebane, Graham) as well. If you are in biotech, it might be nice to be between Raleigh and Greensboro.
 
There have been several mentions about Pittsboro and northern Chatham. The CEO of SASS is building Chatham Park on the North eastern side of Pittsboro. It's going to be A HUGE development. I forget the number of homes slated to be in there but it's in the 1000s. The house you posted earlier will be very near it.

I'm in southern Chatham and have commuted to RTP and the universities fir the past 20 years. It's not a bad commute. With the housing budget your have, you could buy 100 acres and a house on this side of Chatham and only add 20 minutes to your daily commute.

Full disclosure, I'm a country boy and dont care for the city life or neighborhoods.

I'm looking into everything people are suggesting. I'm a city boy, but have never ever ever fit in. I'm that noisy neighbor that everyone complains about, the very first person they come to when there's a problem. I would say 80% of the area would be a deep-set liberal voter, and they simply don't care for my opinions because I don't follow the herd mentality (guns r bad, orange man bad, snitch n tell, cops are killers etc etc etc etc). Our houses are crazy high priced, but we're 20 feet from our neighbor's houses. I don't need out-in-the-boonies property, but I want enough space to be able to have a fire (banned here if anyone complains), shoot at least some .22s (airsoft will get the swat team called here), and live around like-minded individuals. I am seriously one of the nicest people you will ever meet, unless you start spewing CNN or CBC (our state propaganda outlet) crap at me, and EVERYONE does it. So I'm that "crazy right wing nutjob that thinks people should be allowed guns" (that was a direct quote from a woman who lives 200f from me). She LOVES to bash Trump, EVEN THOUGH SHE'S NOT AMERICAN AND IT DOESN'T CONCERN HER. If I say my thoughts, I'm a nutjob, but these people watch CNN like it's their favorite preacher (the hospitals have CNN on ALL the monitors in the public waiting rooms I kid you not).

As well, I might be perfectly happy up in the mountains, and might be fine if I only saw one person per month, but my wife is a social butterfly, and she LOVES people, so I have to balance the two. I want to be off the beaten path, but also close enough that she doesn't become unhappy (happy wife, happy wife!!).
 
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Welcome! I hope the transition is as smooth as possible for you.

Orange County is blue, but a lot of the areas like Hillsborough are somehow still free. Check out Alamance county (Mebane, Graham) as well. If you are in biotech, it might be nice to be between Raleigh and Greensboro.

Thanks for the tip, will do!!! :)
 
So we had the conference call with the Lawyer(s) today.
Looks like we're going to pursue the expansion of the existing business, going the visa route. Once we are set up and established down there, we will put in for citizenship. This will show the government and the IRS that we're expanding the business and (of course) paying taxes. Once we are established as a net gain to the community, it should be easier than just going in cold, so to speak.

We're going to put together the business plan to present to the consulate here. The law firm is helping us put it together, they don't see any major bumps since we can document everything: Current growth, and more importantly where the money comes from (corporate tax returns). A prerequisite is that we have a storefront or office space... but I think we can get away with having or building a separate office on our property, as long as it's legitimately used to for work (it will be), and leased to us. We will also have to show growth and of course the hiring of citizens, so who knows I might be looking for staff (and I'm sure I'll be asking here first!!). So looks like now I just have to figure out how to finance everything, while keeping our property here intact. That will be interesting but not impossible...

There were 2 lawsuits launched against the Canadian government that I have backed. One asks if property (in this case firearms) can be legally seized by the government, and if so, where can they stop. They keep talking about "redistribution of wealth" which is so communistic sounding I can't begin to express my disgust. Basically they are asking if the government can legally and arbitrarily pick an item, regardless of what it is, and just steal it from a citizen. Either way it turns out it's a win. If the courts set precedent that property ownership is not a right, then it might wake up those that would otherwise not care about what happened to legal gun owners. The second contests the illegal way the minority government went about changing the law, with no debate, no oversight, and without precedent. They litteraly said "what was legal yesterday is illegal today, and you are now a criminal for being registered as owning a prohibited device". I can't stress this enough: Registration leads to confiscation in absolutely every scenario. They want to know where the guns are so they can take them. Period. Full stop. We have so much "gun control" up here it's insane, but if you listen to the government, people are running around in the streets with AKs shooting everything in sight. They can spin it any way they want, as the media is bought-and-paid-for with our own tax dollars. It's like having CNN but no FOX to counter it. People are told what they are to believe. We don't have a Tucker Carlson to call anyone out on the nonsense. They are coming for handguns next, put money on it, it will be his next "election promise". First: legal weed, then clear out the guns. It's a hippy's wet dream (and they still won't stop).



Oh, and one thing, do german shepherds do well in the weather down there? I can't imagine life without at least one kicking around. I'm also partial to huskies, but the heat might be a bit much.
 

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Welcome! I hope the transition is as smooth as possible for you.

Orange County is blue, but a lot of the areas like Hillsborough are somehow still free. Check out Alamance county (Mebane, Graham) as well. If you are in biotech, it might be nice to be between Raleigh and Greensboro.

Actually, southern Orange County is Blue due to the university. Get north of I-40/I-85 and all the votes are Red. North and west of Hillsborough still has lots of rural acreage. But Hillsborough itself has become more liberal with all the authors, artists, musicians, etc moving there. It's still a historic small town downtown, but it's expanding outward in more subdivisions for people trying to get out of Raleigh and Chapel Hill. The great thing about the Orange/Alamance area is the easy access to I-40 east and west and I-85 north and south. 20-30 minutes to RDU/RTP on a good day. About 3 hrs to the beach or to the mountains. There's at least 6 or 10 members of the Durham Pistol and Rifle Club on this forum and I'm sure you'll get an invite to go shoot as soon as you move.

Your intro was one of the best I've ever seen on here too! Welcome to the finest gun forum on the web. We'll get you fine-tuned to all the proper Southern things you need to know after you have time to sit down and enjoy some sweet tea and hushpuppies. You'll also find out that the War of Northern Aggression is still discussed seriously around here (Cornwallis slept in the Colonial Inn in Hillsborough during the War of Independence from Britain) and that for the last 100 years there is still the argument of which is better - Eastern Style or Western style NC Barbeque. I think there is a long thread already here about that too.
 
So we had the conference call with the Lawyer(s) today.

Oh, and one thing, do german shepherds do well in the weather down there? I can't imagine life without at least one kicking around. I'm also partial to huskies, but the heat might be a bit much.

Yes. All dogs do well down here. Lots of great vets here too and there's a Vet school at NC State in Raleigh. Bring all your animals.
 
In addition to giving up "oot" and "aboot", you've already been pegged as somebody who apologizes too much. Once we hear your voice, and we pick up that you say "surry" instead of "sorry" it will be a dead giveaway.

btw, if you've got some rifles you're thinking of bringing, be SURE to check barrel lengths. As I understand it, some of your common guns up there would count as regulated "short barrel rifles" down here. 16" barrel, with 26" overall length with stocks unfolded and extended is the minimum here. shotguns also require 26", but their barrels have to be 18" or longer.
There are sometimes ways to get longer barrels and get things off the regulated list, so that may be something worth looking out for.

And yeah, I understand your feelings about being in cities. I grew up in the burbs 10 miles north of detroit, lived 1 mile outside city limits while working in the city for the last decade or so (a large portion of the detroit workforce is windsorites with nexus cards), and now I have 2 tiny acres sitting up against somebody else's 40+ acres of wilderness. onward and upward until i can afford my own wildlife preserve!
 
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