Reported shooting at ProShots range

bigfelipe said:
Any new information on this yet? My googlefu turns up nothing...
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It was a suicide.
I was on staff, and went in with the trauma kit to attempt medical before I realized that was not an option.
He wanted to just rent a gun on a Saturday, but we required him do training first.
He scheduled the earliest appointment available (Monday morning) and did an hour training session with one of our instructors.
It was after that session he was left alone in the range and committed suicide.

It was open close with LE, because we have cameras on every square inch of that place running 24-7.
I won't get into the details, but it was very deliberate, calculated, and premeditated.
 
RedneckFur said:
I'm a little wary of ranges that will rent out guns to people that show up alone, with no firearms of their own and haven't had any training at all. From what I've heard, that's usually where the suicides happen.
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Yes, this happens.....unfortunately.
 
The one thing that makes me apprehensive about indoor ranges are the partitions. I get why they are in place and fully understand, but in the outdoor setting, you have the opportunity to keep an eye on others. With a partition, you never know...someone in the lane right beside you may have a misfire or a jam and have that muzzle pointed sideways, right at your guts while they are trying to clear it. Or maybe they want to check out of here, but do not want to make the journey alone.

Anybody know of any indoor ranges that have transparent partitions (Lexan, plexiglass, etc)?

New shooters don’t bother me. Nobody came outta the womb with a firearm in their hands. Everybody has to start somewhere and we have ALL been there.
 
Joshua Wilson said:
It was a suicide.
I was on staff, and went in with the trauma kit to attempt medical before I realized that was not an option.
He wanted to just rent a gun on a Saturday, but we required him do training first.
He scheduled the earliest appointment available (Monday morning) and did an hour training session with one of our instructors.
It was after that session he was left alone in the range and committed suicide.

It was open close with LE, because we have cameras on every square inch of that place running 24-7.
I won't get into the details, but it was very deliberate, calculated, and premeditated.
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OMG!... I have responsibility for an indoor range. This is my greatest fear. Fortunately we do not rent guns but, anyone with this intent may be able to "work around" the strict rules to an individual advantage.

Thanks for posting. I will use this thread as a training aid for my team.
 
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Anybody know of any indoor ranges that have transparent partitions (Lexan, plexiglass, etc)?
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Proshots booths are separated by a solid sheet of AR-550 then ply then FRP.
You could mag dump a 30-06 into it and not get through.

You really are better off with that separating you from your neighbor than lexan, plexiglass or thin air like outside.
 
wsfiredude said:
The one thing that makes me apprehensive about indoor ranges are the partitions. I get why they are in place and fully understand, but in the outdoor setting, you have the opportunity to keep an eye on others. With a partition, you never know...someone in the lane right beside you may have a misfire or a jam and have that muzzle pointed sideways, right at your guts while they are trying to clear it. Or maybe they want to check out of here, but do not want to make the journey alone.

Anybody know of any indoor ranges that have transparent partitions (Lexan, plexiglass, etc)?

New shooters don’t bother me. Nobody came outta the womb with a firearm in their hands. Everybody has to start somewhere and we have ALL been there.
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Pretty sure that Point Blank in Matthews has clear dividers, at least I remember seeing people n the next lane doing stupid stuff.
 
wsfiredude said:
Sorry, man...I know that’s rough.
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We had professional training on screening for suicide, and actually always have been on the lookout.
This guy was the classic 30ish white guy but didn't have any tells.
Its mostly LE that work at Proshots and no one picked up on it.

It could be anyone though.
I have seen 3 suicides.
One old woman jump off a parking deck, and one teenage girl jump in front of a Jeep Cherokee.
Its just a thing that happens, and it is not unique to guns.
 
Joshua Wilson said:
Proshots booths are separated by a solid sheet of AR-550 then ply then FRP. You could mag dump a 30-06 into it and not get through.You really are better off with that separating you from your neighbor than lexan, plexiglass or thin air like outside.
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10-4....

Didn’t know the partitions had plate in them.
 
Thanks for posting. I will use this thread as a training aid for my team.
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If you are interested I can get you up with the person that did our class.
It was actually really informative and statistics driven.
Basically you are looking for 18-36ish white guy, with another smaller trend in the 70-80 white guys.
Those are the resounding majority of suicide by gun.

We had this training before the incident, and had many "what could we have done" meetings after.
Unfortunately we never found what that "could have done" was.

Some ranges go to a "no lone shooter policy" but its hard to justify that when the person is going to do it anyway.
This could also put others in danger by forcing him to have an additional partner.
I am reminded of the video of the woman intentionally shooting herself during training, and hitting the instructor behind her as well.

This guy scheduled an appointment days in advance, did an hour one on one class, and held it together in front of seasoned law enforcement.
I really don't know how we could have done it any better.
 
wsfiredude said:
10-4....


Didn’t know the partitions had plate in them.
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I didn't either, until I had to disassemble them to be refaced. (OSHA did not like that they were carpeted for acoustics due to lead impregnation of the fibers)
Those plates are impossibly heavy.

The sheathing is more to catch the spall and fragments that would otherwise have injury potential as well.
 
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