Atlanta Cop Shooting

Ya know...nobody EVER blames who's to really blame. I call it karma, of sorts.

If the guy had not gone out drinking, if the guy had not passed out in the drive through lane......NONE of this moment in time would have ever happened.

In reality, the guy making the choice to go out that night is where this all began. No one ever wants to see that.
 
So there's only so many conclusions one can draw from the DA: 1) he is incompetent, 2) he's under enormous political pressure, 3) he purposely overcharged and overreached knowing that the cop will be acquitted. Of course, it can be a combination of all three. I doubt it's all three; you usually don't become DA without some political and legal acumen.

Good article:

https://allongeorgia.com/georgia-st...ded-agency-amid-investigation-in-brooks-case/
 
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All humans, no matter what position they hold in society, should be held accountable for their actions. However, if we are going to bother to even have proper law enforcement then officers must be allowed to enforce to the law.

I do not believe that anyone has any business resisting arrest. If one is wrongfully accused, that will be sorted out with proper legal defense in the courtroom. But, if a person resists arrest, then all bets are off and they should expect sworn officers to use any and all means to control/subdue/stop them, including deadly force, period.

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McDirkale said:
Ya know...nobody EVER blames who's to really blame. I call it karma, of sorts.

If the guy had not gone out drinking, if the guy had not passed out in the drive through lane......NONE of this moment in time would have ever happened.

In reality, the guy making the choice to go out that night is where this all began. No one ever wants to see that.
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It's really wendy's fault. they make those fries and frosties. they know what they're doing with them. they're basically saying "hey drunk and high people, these would be great right now, wouldn't they?" And then they short staff the drive through at night, leading to super long lines where it's completely natural to fall asleep. Then they call the cops on you because you did what they made you do?
They were asking for this and getting burned down was the restaurant was the right thing to do.
 
DrScaryGuy said:
It's really wendy's fault. they make those fries and frosties. they know what they're doing with them. they're basically saying "hey drunk and high people, these would be great right now, wouldn't they?" And then they short staff the drive through at night, leading to super long lines where it's completely natural to fall asleep. Then they call the cops on you because you did what they made you do?
They were asking for this and getting burned down was the restaurant was the right thing to do.
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Yet......it hasn't happened at taco bell....
 
fieldgrade said:
Perhaps it was posted in here earlier, but a video was posted a couple of months back, in CA I think, of an off-duty cop who had a road rage encounter in a gas station parking lot. Both men armed. Road rager presents his gun, but runs from the off duty cop who also drew down, and dropped the felon road rager 20 yards away and the cop walked.

Different laws in different states.
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Yes my post, ASP on YouTube.
 
Fynn said:
if a person resists arrest, then all bets are off and they should expect sworn officers to use any and all means to control/subdue/stop them, including deadly force, period.

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I do not agree totally with this. I feel that cops have weapons to protect themselves against criminals who would harm them. I do not agree with cops shooting people fleeing that are not a threat to them or to other people. Prison guards are the main exception, but they are dealing with convicted prisoners rather than suspects. This fellow was not shot for fleeing but rather shot when he turned around to do potential harm to the officer. Whether the tazer had already been fired once does not matter to me since he tried to use it as a weapon to help him escape. I would hope that he would still be alive if he had just kept running and had made the cops chase him down.

I assume that the use of less-deadly force devices follows the same guidelines as the use of deadly force since they can kill. If they had already used the tazer on him, does the threat that justified the use of the tazer remain and allow the use of deadly force or does his fleeing mean he is no longer a threat until he turns around to threaten them again? Once the threshold for the use of deadly force has been crossed, does the justification remain in effect until the suspect is subdued or can the threshold be recrossed? I assume it can be recrossed if the suspect becomes no longer a threat to the officers even if they do not have him/her completely under their control.
 
Button Pusher said:
Counting rounds from a threat may get you killed, I count my rounds. My 686+ holds seven rounds, looks like the six round model. They took to long to put him in custody, same thing in Tulsa.

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I hope the dogs are OK.
 
LizardKing said:
Rayshard Brooks was on probation for four crimes - including cruelty to children - and faced going back to prison if charged with a DUI, when he was found asleep

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...probation-faced-going-prison-charged-DUI.html
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That article said his breathalyzer was .108. Is that more than 10 times the legal limit or just over? Don't know how he was even able to stand or much less put up the fight like he did at that level of intoxication
 
vp9c said:
fair enough. if you ACTUALLY believe that he was an imminent deadly threat to the general public then i know where you stand. you believe he deserved to die right there. You seem rigid in this belief. no point arguing with you.

I disagree and didn’t see an imminent deadly threat to the police or the public and i believe there were other non-lethal options the police could have taken. i can see how an adrenaline filled moment lead to this poor decision but wouldn’t defend it as appropriate.
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You don't think somebody passing out drunk and driving is an imminent threat to the general public?? Tell that to the 30+ people who die every day due to these drunk drivers.
You get busted, legitimately, fight the police, take a weapon from one of them(don't care if it is lethal, less lethal, whatever), turn/point/fire that weapon at the cops, you deserve to be shot.
 
gunn24 said:
That article said his breathalyzer was .108. Is that more than 10 times the legal limit or just over? Don't know how he was even able to stand or much less put up the fight like he did at that level of intoxication
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.08 in some states

.108 is roughly 35% higher, not 10x higher.
 
Can the officer blame the gun for the shooting? Works in Chicago.
 
phideux said:
You don't think somebody passing out drunk and driving is an imminent threat to the general public?? Tell that to the 30+ people who die every day due to these drunk drivers.
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Never said that. Just think he should/could have ended up in prison and not the morgue.
 
longmire said:
Vp9c u sound like a dbag troll good luck fishing. Play with fire and u get burned bottom line.
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He's a good dude, and he's entitled to his opinion, even if you don't like it.

Plus, he's a contributing member who's been with this site since the beginning.

It's hard to see a FNG come here and call out a longstanding member.

You don't have to agree, but you don't need to come in calling names...
 
Alabamacoastie said:
He's a good dude, and he's entitled to his opinion, even if you don't like it.

Plus, he's a contributing member who's been with this site since the beginning.

It's hard to see a FNG come here and call out a longstanding member.

You don't have to agree, but you don't need to come in calling names...
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Thanks!

Haha! missed that post!

People keep quoting me, not the other way around. I have clearly stated my opinion on this ONE incident, am fine with letting it stand. Other folks seem to keep bringing me back into it.

In my opinion, it's a good thing for everyone to have and hear different opinions. It's a discussion board for crying out loud.

I feel like all of the exchanges I've had with folks on this thread have been pretty respectful, just different opinions.
 
Fynn said:
All humans, no matter what position they hold in society, should be held accountable for their actions. However, if we are going to bother to even have proper law enforcement then officers must be allowed to enforce to the law.

I do not believe that anyone has any business resisting arrest. If one is wrongfully accused, that will be sorted out with proper legal defense in the courtroom. But, if a person resists arrest, then all bets are off and they should expect sworn officers to use any and all means to control/subdue/stop them, including deadly force, period.

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deadly force for resisting arrest is ludicrous. If I shot someone running away from me, I would be in jail. Not justified use of lethal force. It’s actually insane to think that would be okay. It shows zero regard for life.

We barely even use such a rule of engagement on enemy combatants in war, let alone in american citizens...
 
Resisting was the least of his problems, he was felony assaulting two LEO, DUI, on probation and early CV-19 released and a felon for beating his kids and a DUI conviction. He faced the LEO and fired that Taser, that is another charge racked up, the LEO fires as the guy turns to run.
 
BatteryOaksBilly said:
Why did you shoot my client in the back?
He was running and shooting at me, I shot him where I could..Clint Smith

Why did you shoot my client 3 times?
I shot him 2 times and he didn't stop...Clint Smith

We love us some Clint here...
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This reminds me of the movie El Diablo. Louis Gossett Jr. kills a bad guy and Anthony Edwards says " you shot him in the back" Gossett looks up and says "His back was to me".
 
Sigequinox220 said:
deadly force for resisting arrest is ludicrous. If I shot someone running away from me, I would be in jail. Not justified use of lethal force. It’s actually insane to think that would be okay. It shows zero regard for life.

We barely even use such a rule of engagement on enemy combatants in war, let alone in american citizens...
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Are you going to start chanting "hands up, don't shoot".

Point weapon a cop, it may not end well for you. Brooks was willing to fight two armed officers to keep from going to jail. Drunk driving, resisting arrest, deadly assault on an officer 2x, all sorts of probation violations, you get the idea. He's dead today because he made himself a threat, because he didn't want to go back to jail. If he was willing to take on two officers, he was the very definition of threat to the public.
 
Here’s a weird question ... what kinda of pseudo masochist will take the job as new Chief of the APD? I know there will be plenty of applicants but seriously the way things have become so volatile in race, politics, MSM media bias, police actions under a microscope, etc I just can’t see anyone being able to actually being able to survive more than a year or two without becoming a fall down drunk alcoholic.
 
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