Who has thought of vacating the premises?

Seems like a popular subject....

I don't like snow or shoveling it. I tend to think any move as stepping to the side vs. running. Kind of like falling trees.

Lots of good suggestions and it seems to be on a lot of minds giving the asshatery going on currently.
 
I don't know a whole lot about Montana (except the Bob Marshall area). Bozeman is pretty liberal, Helena I have heard is pretty blue collar, rugged, and conservative. My wife's friend, her dad is a state rep. It sounds like Montana geographically is mostly conservative, but the larger numbers in the few urban areas make up the difference.

That's the issue with all states these days. Mostly conservative, but all the cities are blue, and the cities elect the bulk of the political scum and set the bulk of the rules... Even in Montana, Texas, Colorado (lost cause), Nevada, even South Dakota, things are changing. Can't escape it. Not really, unless you like to be a hermit...
 
NC is our bug out location. We left our home country of California and moved somewhere being us wasn't a crime against society.

Sometimes I forget how good we have it until I talk to people we left behind. My goal is to never set foot in CA again; my family may be from there but we're not welcome anymore.
 
Only place I would go is Patrick County, Va.
I know where there is a nice quite place about 15 miles outside of Stewart, Va.

I have wondered about the Cumberland Plateau area of Tennessee, seems to be lots of open country there.
 
Only place I'd ever leave NC for is MO, specifically the Ozarks/Mark Twain National Forest area.

Real estate, including 50+ acres of woods & hills, is very reasonable. I'd be closer to family & friends back home in KS, which is a huge draw. It's remote-ish, laws more favorable to my way of thinking that area is beautiful. Gotta tell ya, being able to hunt & fish in my own backyard would be amazing.

Only real issue is income. We're doing well, but I'll have a hard time making what I do here. However, I may be able to legitimately retire in a few years & not have to work if I don't wanna, so I guess we'll see.

On the other hand, I do have roots here & have people that I am loathe to leave behind.
 
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Only place I'd ever leave NC for is MO, specifically the Ozarks/Mark Twain National Forest area.

Real estate, including 50+ acres of woods & hills, is very reasonable. I'd be closer to family & friends back home in KS, which is a huge draw. It's remote-ish, laws more favorable to my way of thinking that area is beautiful. Gotta tell ya, being able to hunt & fish in my own backyard would be amazing.

Only real issue is income. We're doing well, but I'll have a hard time making what I do here. However, I may be able to legitimately retire in a few years & not have to work if I don't wanna, so I guess we'll see.

On the other hand, I do have roots here & have people that I am loathe to leave behind.
Our best friends in the world are in MO, about 50 miles out of St. Louis near Sullivan. The woman had NINE kids and her kids are all prolific as well (they are home schoolers and very independent). He was an elder in the church I started in TX (he was in the Coast Guard then). We have visited them over the years. The mom is a woman who Carole just naturally "clicks" with, plus she was there as a friend when her physical (and thus emotional) health just came unwound, so she feels "safe" that she won't be unable to function and then have everyone judge her and feel sorry for "poor Eddie, who has so much burden" (reciting those verses from memory! lol). Anyway, it is beautiful country, the hunting and fishing are great, and I actually looked at buying property up there and moving. Life just seems to get in the way of all my plans! :) I definitely can echo that area as a great choice. SW MO and NW Arkansas are very very very good places, with lots of good people.
 
Raw farmland in northern Wake county selling for $45,000 an acre to home builders.

I misunderstood a cop's hand directions in a busy intersection with traffic lights out in a smaller Wake County town today and got screamed at. I mean in my window like I haven’t been screamed at since I was 16. And my youngest son who is a straight arrow, respectful, bothers no one, and has never had a ticket had an identical experience in the same circumstance two days ago one town over.

I understand that it was a brazilian degrees in the sun for those LEO who were likely wearing vests, but two times in two days two towns apart. Everyone seems pissed. Maybe it’s like this all over with the heat, and insanity.

Makes me wonder what the temperament will be like if things in fact go completely to heck later this year.
 
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Our best friends in the world are in MO, about 50 miles out of St. Louis near Sullivan. The woman had NINE kids and her kids are all prolific as well (they are home schoolers and very independent). He was an elder in the church I started in TX (he was in the Coast Guard then). We have visited them over the years. The mom is a woman who Carole just naturally "clicks" with, plus she was there as a friend when her physical (and thus emotional) health just came unwound, so she feels "safe" that she won't be unable to function and then have everyone judge her and feel sorry for "poor Eddie, who has so much burden" (reciting those verses from memory! lol). Anyway, it is beautiful country, the hunting and fishing are great, and I actually looked at buying property up there and moving. Life just seems to get in the way of all my plans! :) I definitely can echo that area as a great choice. SW MO and NW Arkansas are very very very good places, with lots of good people.
Sullivan is 30 minutes from where I grew up. While I'd never move back to that area specifically. MO is a beautiful place. And alot of other places there I would live
 
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