If schools do not go back

HMP said:
In other news - today, 3pm is supposed to be an/the announcement
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We're two hours from the presser. What do you anticipate the verdict to be?

I think there is going to be tremendous pressure to reopen physical schools. Whether or not it is wise and safe to do so is another matter. We're already under "orders" to wear masks everywhere in public. If we assume the compliance rate is moderately high, even that is questionable in terms of it's effectiveness given the increasing spread of the virus. I have a hard time envisioning an environment for school that wouldn't be like a prison under such conditions.
 
Wife’s theory is our private school will open. Kids will eat in classrooms instead of cafeteria. Masks required in all public areas, but not in the classroom.

guess we’ll see...
 
The risk far outweighs the rewards. What’s one year missed in school against the spread of this disease?
 
My kids, always looking for an angle, has asked the senior school administrator (me) and the chief educator (wife) that if public schools close, if they can be allowed to defer the start of the school year. Not only did we say no, we moved up their first day. The curricula is all set, now we just wait until August 3.

My son heard that all of his college classes will be online, so I guess we have the privilege of having him home more...
 
I think we'll have hybrid situation in my county, where kids rotate in the building on certain days, then another group the next etc
My guess, we'll see.
 
HMP said:
I think we'll have hybrid situation in my county, where kids rotate in the building on certain days, then another group the next etc
My guess, we'll see.
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using that theory...

Would the ones not in the building attend the same class virtually? Either at the same time or to watch later?

Or are kids just going to school every other day? And doing self-paced work on the off days?
 
I like to look at the good side of kids being at home these last few month:

1. Parents get to spend quality time with there kids- and see what kind of brats they are
2. Parents get to see what there kids are learning- true or not
3. Parents find out some of that stuff is hard and are learning along with kids.
4. Being around kids all kind of sucks- should have pulled out!
 
mj1angier said:
I like to look at the good side of kids being at home these last few month:

1. Parents get to spend quality time with there kids- and see what kind of brats they are
2. Parents get to see what there kids are learning- true or not
3. Parents find out some of that stuff is hard and are learning along with kids.
4. Being around kids all kind of sucks- should have pulled out!
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You are sadly in the minority these days.


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Coopers presser was...meh.
There will be virtual and in-school learning. Ok.

Heck, I'll post it again here...

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Got word this morning our school will be open for business. No mention of mask requirements at this point. Here’s the email we got, with school name removed (just in case things change):


Many announcements have emerged in the last few days that have helped us have a clearer picture of the reopening of our school. The Governor of North Carolina has mandated to the public schools that they provide a “hybrid” model of instruction with the option of full “remote” learning for students who desire.

Although we are not required to follow those mandates for public schools, they do provide guidance for how we can open our school here at “school”. Most public schools have decided to begin with some face to face instruction coupled with some remote learning on days that students are not in school. As mentioned in earlier emails, we desire to provide as normal of a traditional education process as possible. We believe that our plan balances the educational, social, and psychological needs with necessary health and safety measures. Similar to nearly every other private school in Charlotte and the surrounding area, “School” plans to open with face to face instruction. We plan to continue this instruction for as long as it is reasonably safe to do so while also providing the option of remote learning for those families who are not yet comfortable with the face to face environment. Our plans have included extensive measures to provide an environment that is as safe as possible while allowing our families the choice to send their children back to school.

This summer, our administrative staff has been implementing extensive health measures to provide our students with a safe as possible environment for the fall. Most of the general points and information about reopening have been completed. Smaller details are in the process of being ironed out now as well. In the coming days, we will roll out a full plan that includes new programs for daily cleaning, disinfecting, health precautions, policy changes, and possible time or possible schedule changes -- as well as other measures that will be implemented. Soon, a survey will be sent to you to provide additional feedback that might be helpful as we tweak and finalize the last few points of the plan.

Although we are beginning face to face, there is no guarantee that we can safely stay that way for the entire year. Because remote learning remains a possibility, we are implementing many new tools that will not only improve the education process but address many of the challenges students faced in the last two months of the spring semester with online classes. We are confident that if it is necessary for “school” to return to remote learning, parents and students will see a noticeable improvement in the educational process.

No plan is perfect. The administrative team has worked many hours trying to comb through every possible scenario, but in the end, even that planning may not be enough to fully prepare us for the year to come. However, we believe that through our diligent work and God's provision, we will provide the majority of our families with the best possible plan given our current environment. Though most of the planning is done for next year, we still must monitor the changing health status of our national and immediate surroundings. Please continue to pray for your administrative team as they finalize plans to present next week.
 
Cabarrus county is doing 4 days virtual, 1 day in person school. I expect my soon to be 16 year old will get a job, be occupied with chores when he's not there, and get the virtual credits so we can get him the hell out of socialized education.

I'm fine with that and so is he, with the understanding that it's not gonna be easier but I'm the school resource officer instead of Officer McHandy Butterpants.
 
Ikarus1 said:
Cabarrus county is doing 4 days virtual, 1 day in person school.
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Are they sending 20% of the students to class each day? Or is everybody going on the same day?
 
Ikarus1 said:
I'm fine with that and so is he, with the understanding that it's not gonna be easier but I'm the school resource officer instead of Officer McHandy Butterpants.
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Apparently a lot of kids were quick wanting to sign up for online only because they thought it'd be as easy as it was the last two months.
LOL They'll be in for a real shock.
 
BigWaylon said:
Are they sending 20% of the students to class each day? Or is everybody going on the same day?
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rotating 3 groups in the middle of the week ABC. Monday's and Fridays and the 2 other days will be 'synchronous' whatever that means. I think it's gonna be a disaster and everyone passes but whatever.

My youngest is not the scholar of the family, he's a solid C student and he will be just fine.
 
As usual not one consideration for how a parent will be able to work and get kids to school depending on rotational days.

What the heck will cheerleader Mom’s do if sports are cancelled? Their dream is over. Damn it band camp has been cancelled. All those men who stand on the top row declaring “that’s my boy running the ball. He goin to the NFL” (even though he hasn’t seen him in 16 years). What about all those candy bar fundraisers? The world has gone mad, mad I say.

Seriously there will be parents who prepared for this with an online plan of their own. There will be most who left it to the government. Then the people who don’t give a crap about their kids will let them roam the streets to create chaos and crime. @HMP is right. Most high schoolers will opt for online and sit at home doing nothing.
 
The wife and I were talking yesterday...
If schools do the rotation thing and parents are forced to send kids to day care 4 days a week, what’s the difference? Why can’t they just go to school if they are going it be in groups anyway whether at school or at a daycare? I think we just open up, wear masks if that’s what it takes, and go for it. And I am a high school teacher.
 
DRFury said:
The wife and I were talking yesterday...
If schools do the rotation thing and parents are forced to send kids to day care 4 days a week, what’s the difference? Why can’t they just go to school if they are going it be in groups anyway whether at school or at a daycare? I think we just open up, wear masks if that’s what it takes, and go for it. And I am a high school teacher.
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Exactly. And why isn’t there huge wide spread outbreaks at daycares now? And lastly why in the world did we close down schools and businesses but yet keep all the daycares open. Isn’t that strange? It’s one of the things I mentioned one day serving refrigeration equipment at a large daycare where not a single person or kid had a mask on.
 
The early daycares were supposed to only be serving essential workers kids, so smaller population. Since businesses have reopened they are serving anyone who works again. But we still haven’t seen the outbreaks since the businesses have opened and people started using them again.
 
I revived this thread as yesterday the local school system (there are three in Catawba County) announced they will have kids attend 2 days per week to distance students. Two days, then the other 50% two days. Friday will be all students online. Basically 3 days a week kids will online school. The vote went 5-2 with those voting no former public school employees. This was Newton-Conover District. Hickory City Schools will open online for a month and no decision on the rest of the fall. I have yet to see Catawba County School District decisions but unofficially I was told by parents it was two days in the building.

Kids will be routed using arrows. Mask required. Attendees last name determines the rotation day except kids who have different last names in the same household. Lunch room will be closed. Meals served in rooms I assume. I did not see a decision on sports. Roy Cooper mandates will determine fall sports.

A number of my friends have decided to homeschool their kids thru the online academy in the county. They have used Facebook to join forces with other parents to rotate learning spaces while they work.

Any other NC county announcements?
 
Davidson very very similar
 
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BlackGun said:
A number of my friends have decided to homeschool their kids thru the online academy in the county. They have used Facebook to join forces with other parents to rotate learning spaces while they work.
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I think a lot of the more affluent families will do this sort of thing. What you described as school sounds more like a gulag.
 
My daughter's school is going back regular schedule no mask. That said it's a university model school so regular schedule is three days a week anyway.
 
Glad my son graduated recently so I don’t have to put up with anymore of this public school BS ... I however feel for those here who will be dealing with it now and in the future.

That being said ... kids supposedly have a better immune system response to C-19 and if they do fall ill don’t face the same level I’d risk as older people ... let the schools do the “herd immunity” work by make the first say 9 weeks of public school “boarding school”. Ship off all the kids for 9 weeks and let the public school systems deal with it :D.

I bet there are some parents out there who would actually like that ... let the government babysit their for 9 weeks so they won’t have to deal with daycare and such ... o_O
 
BlackGun said:
Thomasville decision?
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I THINK Thomasville is all online. I saw a newspaper the other day while reading, it was still in the box so I couldnt read it, but it was either Thomasville or Lexington
 
NCFubar said:
I bet there are some parents out there who would actually like that ... let the government babysit their for 9 weeks so they won’t have to deal with daycare and such ... o_O
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More than you'd know, bro.


noway2 said:
What you described as school sounds more like a gulag.
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What part sounds like a gulag, eating meals in the rooms? Going on different days to reduce students/congestion in the building? Masks required?
I think we've read different history books on gulags lol
 
I think you will see a big shift into home schooling for those who are able to do so. Sadly the combination of tax burden and child like spending habits keep most mother and father working outside the home. I personally am not in favor of government having a monopoly on education anyway.

My wife is a teacher and we have talked at length about home schooling our kids.

I can’t speak for all teachers but I can promise you my wife earns her salary. She puts a lot of effort into making sure all her kids are well informed in her classroom.


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I am hear that groups of folks are pooling there money to hire day tutors for kids. Say 5 families get together, they have 6-8 kids. They pool the $ to have tutor "teach" kids the online classes. Teacher may go to each home or they might have a common place to meet. Say you have a office space that everyone is working at home. They take the conference room and have teacher work there with kids for the 1/2 day. They can divided it into say K-5, 6-8, 9-12... or whatever works.

There are issues- liabilities, lack of specialized teacher ( 1 teach has to teach math, english, history...), travel,...

But they are trying to think outside of the box and not just be mad that things are not the same.
 
Cowboy said:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/stephenmcbride1/2020/07/21/why-college-is-never-coming-back/


Don't think tax payers aren't thinking the same thing about public schools.
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I like the article but education has become a big business that seems to be protected by them being a large voting block. My reference is to colleges not public schools but to some extent would apply there as well. Technology should have cut the expense of eduction drastically but it hasn’t.

College has become more of an experience than an educational institution. Imagine if the 16 NC universities had the same class developed for online, graded by technology, ability to complete each class early, no traffic, no parking, no repairs, one quarter of the professors developing classes, etc... Student debt would disappear almost completely. Schools have been building kingdoms for decades.

Here is the negative. How do we know who is completing the course? Maybe face recognition? A former friend’s kid was failing all his in person classes so he took the 2 year program all online. The dad did the whole program for him except for 2 classes. Strung it out over 4.5 years, kid bragged about it, slept all day or played video games, and got rewarded with a Corvette and no requirement to work. 26 years old and has worked part time 6 months in his lifetime. Smokes weed everyday. Dad gives him a weed allowance. Now that’s a good daddy.
 
mj1angier said:
I am hear that groups of folks are pooling there money to hire day tutors for kids. Say 5 families get together, they have 6-8 kids. They pool the $ to have tutor "teach" kids the online classes. Teacher may go to each home or they might have a common place to meet. Say you have a office space that everyone is working at home. They take the conference room and have teacher work there with kids for the 1/2 day. They can divided it into say K-5, 6-8, 9-12... or whatever works.

There are issues- liabilities, lack of specialized teacher ( 1 teach has to teach math, english, history...), travel,...

But they are trying to think outside of the box and not just be mad that things are not the same.
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One of my friend’s kids will be in something you described. $70 a week for a college student to monitor progress and provide supervision. Her take is $490 a week cash and she will only work 7:30-2:00pm. A parent will have the kids until 5:00pm. Lunches catered by take out restaurants. They haven’t designed field trips yet. Course material is thru the public school system for now but could change. I thought he said chrome books are provided by the school system.

Edit: one parent will watch kids until 5:00pm.
 
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My wife is a kindergarten teacher and wants to be back in school. Here in rural NC the internet is a joke so online is almost useless. At this time they don't even know they are doing Coopers plan b or c. As a 15 year teacher she makes $50,000 for 10 months work (paid over 12 months). She provides a lot of the supplies "her kids" need. About 1/2 of her kids were "lost" when they went online last year IE never logged on or did any work. Her stress level was double what it was during the online months. most days she puts in 10-12 hours between teaching, grading and administrative duties. All with little to no support from most parents. Most of the teachers I know in Rural areas have been called to teach and work their keisters off to give a chance at a good education to their students. By the way due to our internet options being limited she would make a lesson then drive 15 miles to sit outside the school and upload the lessons. This year if she has to teach online she has secured a space in our church so she will drive to church and teach from there (good internet)
 
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mj1angier said:
I am hear that groups of folks are pooling there money to hire day tutors for kids. Say 5 families get together, they have 6-8 kids. They pool the $ to have tutor "teach" kids the online classes. Teacher may go to each home or they might have a common place to meet. Say you have a office space that everyone is working at home. They take the conference room and have teacher work there with kids for the 1/2 day. They can divided it into say K-5, 6-8, 9-12... or whatever works.

There are issues- liabilities, lack of specialized teacher ( 1 teach has to teach math, english, history...), travel,...

But they are trying to think outside of the box and not just be mad that things are not the same.
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Somebody posted this here. Didn’t look back to see if it was in this thread or not. Could be a win-win for some parents/teachers.

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The $130K would require 52 weeks of teaching...but even with a summer and winter break it’s a much better financial situation for the teacher.
 
BlackGun said:
Here is the negative. How do we know who is completing the course?
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This is a big one on my mind
a) we will be using ZOOM, but will NOT be allowed to SEE THE STUDENTS. As I told my mom tonight - one kid does something inappropriate and I just saw a nude teen = me fired. It'd be that simple. Too many possibilities for things to go south.
b) How do I test these kids? Ive already been thinking about it, I know they'll be at home taking tests, and, therefore, using their notes, but now Im trying to figure out how to make it less easy to cheat without making it too hard that it's too difficult for many 15 year old's minds.
c) Cheating WILL happen
 
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