1914 1911

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I'm going to look at a 1914 1911 tomorrow, what do I need to look for to see if it's correct and all there?
I was told it's had a barrel change but everything else is correct.
I can probably post pics tomorrow but don't have any right now. Not a lot of bluing left but no rust that I can see, any idea on value or price range?
 
Is it a commercial or government issue gun?
 
I won't have a good look at it until tomorrow but I didn't see a US Property marking.
It does have the 2 tone magazine though.
I know this is vague but I don't want to miss it if it's a good deal.
 
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I think it's going to be priced around 900. I'm just trying to figure out a ballpark range and what I should look for.
 
Seems obvious, but it won’t have a full length guide rod.

Look for signs that dremel dan has been working on it. Might see it on the barrel ramp, and you’ll sometimes see stray marks from where it got away from him.

If you take the slide off look for cracks around the square cutout in the frame for the slide release.
 
Six excellent points, Billy. Also, as JimB said, look for "polishing" on the feed ramp. Peer into the ejection port with the slide partway back, and see if'n there is a little shelf on top of the frame feed ramp, below the barrel feed ramp. If that shelf is still there, it might be untouched.
 
I’ll add the lanyard ring thing ... original military 1911’s have the lanyard ring and even early mags had one also.
 
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The commercial ones lacked both of these and the fit and finish were amazing. Look for C prefix.
This one has the C prefix, it's gonna take $900 to get it, what are your thoughts?
 

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Is it worth $900 to you? To me, $900 does not seem unreasonable considering pricing I have seen on other 1911's.
 
Older 1911’s do not tend to be “tight” but there should be very little wiggle in the hammer when cocked. What is the barrel like? Is the crown decent? Is the barrel to bushing fit halfway good or shot out? Does the grip safety function properly and reliably? Is the barrel locking lug worn? Is the link worn?
 
A correct 1914 pistol should have a long trigger...not short. It's a one-piece milled unit, and the face should have no checkering or coining.

The slidestop should be like the one in stickman's photo.

The rear sight should be narrow with a "U" notch, not the later, wider square notch.

The disconnect reset slot in the slide...instead of a simple keyway cut...should have the keyway and a shallow hole drilled just slightly forward of center.

The mainspring housing should be flat, smooth, and with a lanyard loop.

A crack in the top of the frame in the slidestop window means nothing. They all did it with a little use and won't affect the functionality of the pistol. That's why everybody started milling that portion away in recent years.

Look for stairstep deformation of the barrel and slide lugs. However much combined deformation there is means that the headspace has increased by that amount. If it's there, gauge the headspace before firing it.

Look for a small crack in the top, right side of the ejection port at the rear, just forward of or adjacent to the breechface that runs downward toward the rail. It it's there, don't shoot it at all.

Don't shoot it much more than enough to confirm function. Those old pistols were dead soft and there's no way of knowing how much it's been fired previously.
 
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Guys, I appreciate all the input. I'll have it in my hands shortly and will give updates. I was planning on handling it this morning but work for in the way
 
20200720_190922.jpg 20200720_190936.jpg 20200720_191253.jpg 20200720_191508.jpg I went to pick it up and it was gone:mad:...my wife bought it for me!:D
It has a lot of character and most of the bluing is gone. It has a small shelf above the feed ramp and doesn't appear to be polished. No visible cracks. I'm sure I'll have to do more checking on different things when I get more time (and learn more about what to look for) but I'm well pleased.
How did I do? (or how did she do lol)
 
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Actually looks very nice to me the age and patina are honest. Personally I’d just clean her up with a rag and Ballistol only ... maybe some Murphy’s Oil on the wood grips with a very soft toothbrush followed by some linseed to clean and condition them. But I really like the “character” is has and think it took 106 years to get it honestly.
 
Commercial model Lacks this. The lanyard loop.

Some of them did lack a loop. I've seen it both ways on pre and post"Improved" Commercial government models, but most that I've seen had one. The loop was missing on more post-Improved pistols than on the older ones. I think it probably depended on what Colt happened to have in inventory at the time of assembly. If they had a government overrun of looped housings, they were installed on the pistols destined for the civilian market and sent on down the line.

IMO, the loop completes the pistol. To me, they just don't look right without one.
 
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