Protester shot in austin TX

They wanna be all bad ass and take their guns to town and then get all bent out of shape when someone else has a gun and uses it.

I'm a little torn about this, actually. RKBA says you should be able to carry whenever and wherever you want to. But this seems like the very definition of "going armed to the terror of the public." In Texas this seems to be covered under

Texas Penal Code § 42.01. Disorderly Conduct

(a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally or knowingly:

(7) discharges a firearm in a public place other than a public road or a sport shooting range, as defined by Section 250.001, Local Government Code ;

(8) displays a firearm or other deadly weapon in a public place in a manner calculated to alarm;
 
Cause Rioters surrounding vehicle touched off powder keg.
well we already know he came up to the door and pointed his rifle at the driver. driver didn't really do anything wrong.
counter-shooter may get away with "defense of others", but it depends on how good the lawyers are. He was part of what precipitated the incident, so technically he was an instigator and that hurts his defense. If he wasn't immediately close, wasn't blocking anything, and only responded after the shooting, he's got a chance. It's reasonable to believe that HE believed the driver started it and then tried to speed through the crowd.
 
I'm a little torn about this, actually. RKBA says you should be able to carry whenever and wherever you want to. But this seems like the very definition of "going armed to the terror of the public." In Texas this seems to be covered under

Texas Penal Code § 42.01. Disorderly Conduct

(a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally or knowingly:

(7) discharges a firearm in a public place other than a public road or a sport shooting range, as defined by Section 250.001, Local Government Code ;

(8) displays a firearm or other deadly weapon in a public place in a manner calculated to alarm;

it is definitely interesting to think about. I suspect if a car had started driving through the 2A rally in Virginia a bunch of people there would have pointed their firearms at the driver or even open fire since the vehicle is considered a deadly weapon.

if it went to a jury I suspect people would see which person involved was the aggressor differently based on political leanings
 
I'm a little torn about this, actually. RKBA says you should be able to carry whenever and wherever you want to. But this seems like the very definition of "going armed to the terror of the public." In Texas this seems to be covered under

Texas Penal Code § 42.01. Disorderly Conduct

(a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally or knowingly:

(7) discharges a firearm in a public place other than a public road or a sport shooting range, as defined by Section 250.001, Local Government Code ;

(8) displays a firearm or other deadly weapon in a public place in a manner calculated to alarm;
This is Austin ... Texas law is ignored a great deal of the time by political officials (mayor, DA, Police Chief, etc) as well as a large part of Austin citizens who elected their liberal leaders.

Don’t bet on a city who’s unofficial motto is “Keep Austin Weird” ... the driver will be vilified way harder in Austin than 95% of other Texas cities then add to it this occurred at a “peaceful” BLM type protest to a man who’s widow is a quadruple amputee ... talk about a sob story for the ages.
 
I'm a little torn about this, actually. RKBA says you should be able to carry whenever and wherever you want to.
Maybe more like carrying a pistol openly, in your hand, walking through town. These rifle guys are way too “ready for action,” for their own good, sling those things across your back rather than march with your hands on them.
 
Maybe more like carrying a pistol openly, in your hand, walking through town. These rifle guys are way too “ready for action,” for their own good, sling those things across your back rather than march with your hands on them.

Seriously. Maybe we all need those hiking chest rigs when inside the city limits now.
 
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If you're close enough to be slapping a car because it was "almost hitting people" as it drove down the street, then you're part of the problem.

Protests like these are the epitome of in-your-face, chest bumping, monkey strutting.

And it should come as no surprise when you try that cr*p on hundreds of people, you eventually find some that don't take it.
 
Maybe more like carrying a pistol openly, in your hand, walking through town. These rifle guys are way too “ready for action,” for their own good, sling those things across your back rather than march with your hands on them.

To plays Devil's Advocate here - that same 'ready for action' style of carrying is the same you'll see at many 2A protests too. Should they have them slung across their back too?

Personally, I think it's a scare tactic when these guys are carrying like that, they HOPE to scare someone into submission...this time, well, bummer for that guy. Guess it turns out not all the people are p_ssies and wont do anything. He learned the hard, and hot, way.
 
If this was NC i would say that the person who fired into the fleeing vehicle is going to be charged. In NC the vehicle is a special place, if someone is entering or attempting to break into your vehicle you probably have justified use of force. The caveat would be were the drivers actions prior to it kicking off. You cannot instigate a fight and then use justifiable deadly force clauses. It is going to be tricky. But i think in general if someone points a gun at you that should be grounds for using deadly force. I have no idea of the laws in Texas.
 
So, the question is: what would the proverbial reasonable person think is happening when a mob swarms their vehicle, blocking them in and one of them approaches you with a rifle and it looks like they’re pointing it at you.

Bonus points question, what would a cop do? Hint, same standard should apply because the threat is the same.

For some additional clarity...the driver of the vehicle is a 1st CAV soldier stationed at Ft Hood, who during his off duty time was driving for Uber and had just dropped off his passenger. The protestor with the AK shoved the barrel of his weapon through the open window and into the soldiers face...the soldier, feeling threatened, drew his weapon and shot and killed the aggressor before he had a chance to fire.
No charges are anticipated.
 
For some additional clarity...the driver of the vehicle is a 1st CAV soldier stationed at Ft Hood, who during his off duty time was driving for Uber and had just dropped off his passenger. The protestor with the AK shoved the barrel of his weapon through the open window and into the soldiers face...the soldier, feeling threatened, drew his weapon and shot and killed the aggressor before he had a chance to fire.
No charges are anticipated.
@Long_Hunter Source??

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I found the "chief's" comment below a bit disturbing to wit: speaking officially, as the "Chief," Manley had no business expressing being "heartbroken" regarding one person's fate that was involved in the incident. Why wasn't he "heartbroken" over the fear and chaos wrought upon the vehicle driver? What message does this send to investigating subordinates of the "Chief?"

Chief Brian Manley said detectives assigned to the homicide unit detained the man and interviewed him after he called 911 shortly after the shooting. The man said he had shot someone who approached his vehicle during the demonstration and pointed a weapon at him.

The victim of the shooting was Garrett Foster, 28, and he died of multiple gunshot wounds.

“We are heartbroken over the loss of Mr. Foster last night,” Manley said in a Zoom news conference Sunday night posted on Twitter. “It's actively being investigated and ongoing in conjunction with the Travis County District Attorney's Office.”

Source: https://www.foxnews.com/us/austin-police-release-man-who-says-he-shot-armed-protester
 
For some additional clarity...the driver of the vehicle is a 1st CAV soldier stationed at Ft Hood, who during his off duty time was driving for Uber and had just dropped off his passenger. The protestor with the AK shoved the barrel of his weapon through the open window and into the soldiers face...the soldier, feeling threatened, drew his weapon and shot and killed the aggressor before he had a chance to fire.
No charges are anticipated.


Soldiers Medal at a minimum
 
To plays Devil's Advocate here - that same 'ready for action' style of carrying is the same you'll see at many 2A protests too. Should they have them slung across their back too?
I would say that it would be smart of them to do so, for the same reason I applaud them for holstering their sidearms and not handling them unnecessarily while marching.
 
Soldiers Medal at a minimum

I'm with you, but never gonna happen. Bad optics & all, but you know his cred in his unit just went way up.

Surprised I haven't heard about an award yet for that Master Sergeant from Leavenworth who ran over the shooter on the bridge a few months back.
 
They wanna be all bad ass and take their guns to town and then get all bent out of shape when someone else has a gun and uses it. Big difference between having a gun to show and tell and having a gun to do gun things... Don't light the fire unless you're ready for it to get hot.....
That bears repeating
 
If a rifle is pointed at you, it is not smart -or legally necessary- to wait for the rifle to be fired to defend yourself.
Im not arguing that, Im asking if the dead guy actually pulled the trigger or not. Again, lots of conflicting information, we should all seek the truth
 
What is CCIR?

Another poster is saying that the rifle was never fired, so a lot of conflicting information
It is the commanders incident report; after he was arrested he was turned over to his chain of command.
 
I'm with you, but never gonna happen. Bad optics & all, but you know his cred in his unit just went way up.

Surprised I haven't heard about an award yet for that Master Sergeant from Leavenworth who ran over the shooter on the bridge a few months back.



Gonna go out on a limb here and say that speaking from zero military experience and only having talked to a lot of guys who served I am gonna say Master Sargent does not see himself as a hero(even though he is) and further say he probably doesn't want a medal. He will say he saw what needed to be done and he got it done. That is how I found these guys roll. Quick to respond, slow to seek praise.
 
Gonna go out on a limb here and say that speaking from zero military experience and only having talked to a lot of guys who served I am gonna say Master Sargent does not see himself as a hero(even though he is) and further say he probably doesn't want a medal. He will say he saw what needed to be done and he got it done. That is how I found these guys roll. Quick to respond, slow to seek praise.

As a retired Sergeant First Class, I'm positive you're absolutely right. A buddy was awarded a Bronze Star with V device, along with a Purple Heart, after a particularly bad day in Baghdad. I was all, "holy cow, dude! that's hard core!" & he's just, "meh, shit needed done."
 
As a retired Sergeant First Class, I'm positive you're absolutely right. A buddy was awarded a Bronze Star with V device, along with a Purple Heart, after a particularly bad day in Baghdad. I was all, "holy cow, dude! that's hard core!" & he's just, "meh, shit needed done."


Ok. Purple Heart I understand. Dad had one with oak leaf clusters. He was wounded 3 times. I sorta understand Bronze star but what is a V device?
 
A bronze "V" device indicates the medal was awarded for valor.

Dude had a crappy day involving an IED, a dead driver & as the team medic, he was bleeding out from shrapnel in all 5 appendages. He was able to talk one of his soldiers down & get them triaging & treating the wounded & called in the medevac request before he lost consciousness.
 
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A bronze "V" device indicates the medal was awarded for valor.

Dude had a crappy day involving an IED, a dead driver & as the team medic, he was bleeding out from shrapnel in all 5 appendages. He was able to talk one of his soldiers down & get them triaging & treating the wounded & called in the medevac request before he lost consciousness.


Got it. Thanks for the explanation.
 
Ok. Purple Heart I understand. Dad had one with oak leaf clusters. He was wounded 3 times. I sorta understand Bronze star but what is a V device?

The Bronze Star can be awarded for outstanding service (sort of an "administrative" award). The "V" device on the Bronze Star means it was awarded for Valor during Combat.
 
IF the guy in the car was actually legally justified for his action which should be answered by photos, information of what was actually fired and other is going to be screwed. The mob in Austin has already started turning Forster into a martyr ... hell some even are making him out as a Saint. The facts are not even out and the mob wants blood ... and even if proven not guilty in a court of law they’ll still want blood.
 
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The facts are not even out and the mob wants blood ... and even if proven not guilty in a court of law they’ll still want blood.
Then let 'em until they're tired of it.
I can giggle myself to sleep.

For the record, I'm all for nazis and KKK protesting and voicing their stupid ideas.
These jokers? they moved out of "protest" 59 days ago.
 
IF the guy in the car was actually legally justified for his action which should be answered by photos, information of what was actually fired and other is going to be screwed. The mob in Austin has already started turning Forster into a martyr ... hell some even are making him out as a Saint. The facts are not even out and the mob wants blood ... and even if proven not guilty in a court of law they’ll still want blood.

Because that's how inbreeds operate. It's their MO-101. I pick a fight with you, you kick my ass, I come back for more with 90 of my idiot buddies.

A very dirty war is coming. They can't win in a fair fight, they're going to be the "revolutionaries" and we're going to be the red coats.

Unless someone in "power" quelches these false narrative protests right now.
 
Because that's how inbreeds operate. It's their MO-101. I pick a fight with you, you kick my ass, I come back for more with 90 of my idiot buddies.

A very dirty war is coming. They can't win in a fair fight, they're going to be the "revolutionaries" and we're going to be the red coats.

Unless someone in "power" quelches these false narrative protests right now.

Does sherman burn portland?
 
https://mobile.twitter.com/moonchynn/status/1287438000289456129?s=20
Hard to watch but if you go frame by frame you can pick these out.


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Concurs with drivers statement that Foster stuck an AK into his window. Notice driver had stopped (brake lights)

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