State of Illinois Wants to Abolish History Classes in Schools

Maybe rewrite the Bible while they’re at it and enter a few chapters on MLK’s pathway to glory.
 
Life, sure as hell isn't fair. History is no different. If you're purposefully leaving out people because of their race, that is an issue. But if a group is underrepresented because they don't have as many documented "historical" items then that just is what it is.
 
Chdamn said:
Life, sure as hell isn't fair. History is no different. If you're purposefully leaving out people because of their race, that is an issue. But if a group is underrepresented because they don't have as many documented "historical" items then that just is what it is.
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I only read the headline and had my thoughts in my head of how Id reply, but Chad hit the head for the most part on what my thougths were.

I, of course, teach history for a living. I have many friends who do the same.
Someone heard something about some folks wanting more black and minority history taught, and LGBTQLMNOP history taught.
Ok. WHAT are we supposed to teach?

Like Chad said, it's not there.
I teach about some blacks who did do significant things in our nation's history, but there just arent that many. SOrry, but that's how it went/goes.
ARe we supposed to dig deep into the same five or six we already highlight? Or start teaching about random folks who barely made a blip on the radar.

And, again, I didnt read it, but are Native Americans part of this group? All this stuff going on about B L M and stuff, but, yet, no talk of the natives who have been crapped on since day one of Europeans arriving in the Western Hemisphere.


It's not about purposely leaving minorities out of history, it's just that the history aint really there.
And there's still a good amount, in my opinion, being taught. Hell, the whole Harlem Renaissance is just black Americas. Then civil rights movement and it's players. Frederick Douglass. Nat Turner. Crispus Atticus (I know Im butchering his name right now, apologies). Harlem Hellfighters. Red Tails. Black Panthers. Obama (well, 'alright, Obama got elected in 08, first non-white elected. He had his ACA, yall know of that? No? Ok, yall heard of Obamacare? Yeah, well, same thing, that's the official name for it. Anyway, lets talk about socialism and how it's NOT Affordable for most of us. My insurance more than doubled due to the 'affordable' care act. Yall ask yalls parents. Moving on)
 
The same issue applies to women in certain disciplines. Well why is it my problem certain sciences are male-dominated? I seem to recall no women in many of my classes... that might have something to do with it.

I can also name some fields that are female-dominated because (for whatever reason) men dont want to do certain jobs or study certain things. Again, what is the problem and why is it mine?
 
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Don't erase all of it cause AL 288-1, is what makes us all one. So we all go down for it. It's called 'our history', sometimes we shine, sometimes it gets stinky.
But it is what we have to work with.
 
ppirate said:
Don't erase all of it cause AL 288-1, is what makes us all one. So we all go down for it. It's called 'our history', sometimes we shine, sometimes it gets stinky.
But it is what we have to work with.
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Who did Alabama beat 288 to one, and in what sport?
 
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Lucy is the common name of AL 288-1, the beginning link
 
From the "everyone gets a trophy" movement. Teachers, professors, admins are devising new ways to teach math. The message, "math is a science built around white supremacy". There can be more than one right answer," Their by-line, "2+2=4, also 2+2=5 is correct".

From a critic of this teaching method:

Wokies destabilize meaning because when a things meaning is not stable, clear, and defined the meaning of the thing can be redefined and distorted. Then people can come to any conclusion they want about it. This can be used in art, architecture and international relations.

How does deconstruction work? Deconstruction works by attacking at the level of MEANING. This means that words, ideas, concepts, discourses, art, texts, symbols; whatever is used to MEAN something or communicate gets deconstructed. Thus deconstruction "destabilizes meaning."

(There are examples in the Twitter feed comments how this is being also used in architecture, the arts, others)



https://twitter.com/wokal_distance/status/1290479330477240320?s=20
 
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Be careful Illinois, Those who refuse to remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
Nevermind, you idiots are already there.

It'd be a good thing to add Black Wall Street to their American/Western Civilization history.
What are they going to do with art? Europe, Oriental and Jewish art, cathedrals, etc are still very impressive.
This is what's in the African art section of museums. It is childish and elementary. As rude as kids are, what's a classroom of 3rd graders & up going to conclude?
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I'm all for teaching kids real history: (1)That for 99% of human history life has been characterized by grinding poverty under brutal oppression. (2)Western culture didn't invent war, slavery, suppression of women, or any of the ubiquitous human social ills. (3)Western culture is just the first one to value and introduce concepts that address these problems. We're not there yet, but good progress was being made. (4)Every other culture ignored it, didn't value it, or utterly failed. (5)There is and never was a "noble savage". Ever.
 
HMP said:
And, again, I didnt read it, but are Native Americans part of this group? All this stuff going on about B L M and stuff, but, yet, no talk of the natives who have been crapped on since day one of Europeans arriving in the Western Hemisphere.
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This will become a growing problem that politics will have to address
A lot of latinos take some pride in their native ancestry. Go to any good mexican restaurant and you'll probably see some straight aztec stuff up decorating the walls. Politically, you'd probably do better to group latinos with natives, but people keep lumping "black and brown" together. Try to lump my grandma together with black people and she might have some words for you - she's "espanich" and mescalero (apache). And she's no big fan of mexicans either, even though she was born in new mexico only a couple years after it became a us state. yeah, she's pretty old.
Politics has no way to deal with classifying the hispanic/latino community. I remember being young and hearing the group measured around the high single digit percents of the US population, but now it's pushing near 20%. In some areas it's a clear majority. I believe a lot of that is due to the crazy and inconsistent classification schemes these days - sometimes you're hispanic, sometimes you're latino, sometimes you're just white or black, sometimes you're white/black/native with a side of hispanic/latino. Nobody quite seems to know how to classify the group, as if it really matters anyway.
The Democratic party has finally started catching on though - the son of a cuban couple who were refugees from castro is NOT likely to support the openly marxist left, and is also very not going to like seeing illegal honduran economic migrants put on equal terms with actual refugees from a murderous government. Trump would not have won florida in 2016 if the cubans hadn't come out to cast almost double their usual number of republican votes. I kind of think that's why dems are trying so hard with this BLM wave, because they can try to win the support of the 13% of the black vote, and bring in a chunk of sympathetic latinos without actually having to address the diversity in that much larger demographic.

And do me a favor - throw the California Anti-Vagrancy act of 1855 into your lessons if it's not already there
Section 2: All persons who are commonly known as “Greasers” or the issue of Spanish and
Indian blood, who may come within the provisions of the first section of this Act, and who go
armed and are not known to be peaceable and quiet persons, and who can give no good
account of themselves, may be disarmed by any lawful officer, and punished otherwise as
provided in the foregoing section [hard labor jail for 90 days]​
Innocent until proven guilty did not apply.
 
The people we call "Native Americans" are at least the third wave of immigrants to North America, having come out of New Mexico from apparently Polynesian roots around 12,000 years ago. They were preceded by at least two different waves of "Land-bridge immigrants" around 18,000 years ago from the Russian Caucasus region who settled in the Columbia River Valley, and also about 25,000 years ago by a people who populated an apparently more broad area of the Pacific West, now sadly much of the evidence covered by meltwater from the last ice age. Why isn't that taught? ...because it messes up the narrative and the politics of grievance.
 
Another reason to erase/re-write history is just think what would happen if the peasants learned about the French Revolution and what happened to the "elites" heads? Gee, they might try something like that with our politicians. Or maybe the Russian Revolution where the "elites" were lined up against a wall and shot and disposed of in unmarked graves. We'd hate for that to happen to our politicians and hollywood stars and billionaire CEOs.
 
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Another reason to erase/re-write history is just think what would happen if the peasants learned about the French Revolution and what happened to the "elites" heads? Gee, they might try something like that with our politicians. Or maybe the Russian Revolution where the "elites" were lined up against a wall and shot and disposed of in unmarked graves. We'd hate for that to happen to our politicians and hollywood stars and billionaire CEOs.
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Those are really not very good examples. As most of them are currently twisted to be good things for the masses when they were not all that great for the masses or the elites. The American Revolution was one of the most successful in human history, and the least brutal. Europe spawned the French Revolution, which was bloody and spawned most of the future idealogical ills of Europe to include Fascism and Communism and the rise in secularism. Likely had something to do with Naziism too, I just can't recall offhand. And it was not just the elites. It was minorities, poor, religious groups, children all died at the hands of those revolutionaries. And remember, France had to invite the elites that fled back to the country to help fix some of their problems. Including the problem that no one knew what to do, build industry, manage gov affairs, or build a country because they ran most of them off. And what should be focused on in Russia, the death, destruction, and abject cruelty of their Leninist Communism is glossed over because those in academia agree with the concept. Even if the reality has never lived up to it. So we teach a version of history. But we teach "a" story, not "the" story.
 
I’m really disappointed with our group’s reaction. In my opinion, nothing worth remembering/teaching happened before George Floyd. ;)
 
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Pink_Vapor said:
Be careful Illinois, Those who refuse to remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
Nevermind, you idiots are already there.

It'd be a good thing to add Black Wall Street to their American/Western Civilization history.
What are they going to do with art? Europe, Oriental and Jewish art, cathedrals, etc are still very impressive.
This is what's in the African art section of museums. It is childish and elementary. As rude as kids are, what's a classroom of 3rd graders & up going to conclude?
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I've seen plenty of "art" from all races that looks like a drunk 5 year old made it.
 
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I've seen plenty of "art" from all races that looks like a drunk 5 year old made it.
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I'm sure. I wouldn't consider modern art to be art. Many cultures throughout history haven't made much of a mark. Western civilization has, England imperialism has been one of the most wicked.
 
It’s doesn’t really matter. As they weaken America and move toward a one world Government those people will eventually rewrite everything that has happened over the last few years and next. The quick rise and fall of the USA will just be a footnote 200 years from now. Now who said you can’t change History:)
 
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