State of NY pursuing criminal fraud charges against LaPierre

The NRA hasn't been relevant for gun rights in a couple decades. They have been very good at making lifers think they're relevant. Plenty of active Pro 2A orgs who will ACTUALLY fill that void instead of just fear mongering & asking for "donations" (for their vacations, jets, penthouses, etc).

All to say: no, the days as we know it are not "gone" when the NRA doesn't exist. They have just done a very good job at making you believe that.
 
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Im not sure how they will pull off the "dissolve" part but this should help boost membership. I almost want to get one....almost.
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Vote. Get up off the couch and go vote. Make sure all your friends and fellow gun owners go down and vote. Take anyone who may be old/infirm or have difficulty leaving the house, down to the polls. As soon as early voting starts.

The only way to keep your gun rights and preserve 2A is to make sure the country gets a big red suppository on election day. Do your part to make that happen. Regards 18DAI
 
They should form a new NRA and incorporate outside of NY State, then sell the 'old' NRA to the "New NRA".
 
From the "New Republic" as much a leftist journal as can be:

“I can’t bring myself to embrace the notion that a state attorney general—any state attorney general—should be able to disband one of the nation’s most popular political organizations because its leaders misused its members’ donations… Many who despise the NRA and its politics would likely find it abhorrent if the governors of Texas or Florida tried similar tactics against the ACLU or voting-rights organizations… there’s a certain Trumpian flair to New York’s efforts (emphasis by the author) to hound a political organization with which they disagree into submission.”

Matt Ford, New Republic


There doesn't seem to be much support in the left media for the action against the NRA. This may blow up in the democrat's face.
 
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There doesn't seem to be much support in the left media for the action against the NRA. This may blow up in the democrat's face.
The dems must be going for an inverse 2016
Just like trump said some crazy things and promised a right-leaning government, the left is now saying some crazy things and hoping the silent majority is on their side this time.
 
There doesn't seem to be much support in the left media for the action against the NRA. This may blow up in the democrat's face.
In a rare moment of surely temporary optimism, it occurred to me this could be the best thing to happen to the NRA in decades.

On the one hand, it draws attention to the self-serving financial shenanigans and empty poses the NRA has been engaging in, and maybe some rank-and-file Fudds will wake up for the need for reform.

On the other hand, the action is clearly not playing well with either the left or right, so I'll bet the NRA won't disappear because of this. It's rallying normal folks around the 2A during times of Leftwing violence, and it's freaking out the Left because of that.

Pass the popcorn.
 
I became an NRA Life Member in 1976. The NRA has done a lot of good over the years. But, they have turned into a political machine but, I think we still need them.
 
The NRA still does have an arm that promotes shooting sports. One of the things they are able to do is facilitate group insurance for ranges.

Without the insurance, the range closes its gates. For many of these places, if they shopped for their own insurance, they’d find it either impossible to get, or so expensive that the range would go out of business.


I imagine similar is true of NRA sponsored youth sports.
Our Skeet club never had their insurance with the NRA. The policy was very low. Even my local insurance agent wanted to quote the policy. She is a normal car, house, business, workers comp, etc.. agent. They are available and willing. The NRA uses insurance as a means to recruit members. To me that’s BS for a non profit.

Wayne L is front and center of a rogue organization but there are others all protecting each other getting rich thru scare tactics. I will never get over giving Sarah Palin millions as a spokeswoman for the group. When she quit her position as Governor of Alaska to rake multiple millions in the first 4 months that was the end for me. It’s not just the NRA. There are a crap load of non profit companies that are deceiving the public. Even local police fraternities are scamming the public. I have not given another dime to the local one here since the top guy got indicted for embezzlement. His replacement bought himself a new SUV to ride around in. The other SUV was only 2 years old.
 
no one is going to "dissolve" the NRA..... or if they do, it won't be this way. I dumped my membership some time ago. Depending on the NRA to defend RTKBA is like depending on Thom Tillis to enforce responsible gov spending.

A little off thread but,.... speaking of Tillis and useless gun rights groups: the latest newsletter from GRNC had a front page story that basically said, "yeah, Tillis sucks and has voted multiple times against gun rights, but he's still better than a Dem".

I figured they had this mindset, but was surprised they stated it out publicly that way.
 
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Let me tell you what NRA did in Illinois. They saw that Pritzker was a lock and a super majority of D in the house was going to happen in 2018. So they fired the lobbyist who had done all the heavy lifting in Illinois for a decade or more and tucked tail and ran back to Virginia. When we complained about not having a rep they figured out a way to get a part time lobbyist to help a little, but he has three or four other states to cover too. They basically retreated like cowards so they could save money and spend it on bonbons for Wayne.
 
I'd love to hear what the lot of you who just is sooooo sure we NEED the NRA think should happen to a "non profit" who steals its members money to buy mansions, yachts, clothes, vacations, etc. Steals. You pay money to a cause you believe in & instead that money goes into some corrupt person's pocket.

Lock them up? Great. Now what? You think that sort of system corruption isn't baked into the organization by now? So what happens when its found out 5-10 years later the new leadership does the same? How long goes a person get to steal money from people to get rich and avoid taxation all at the same time? OH and they don't actually do what they purport (they helped get us the Gun Control Act of 68)

F... em. NRA can go the way of the dodo and the dinos for all I care. If you think we "need" them, I feel really bad for you and bad for all the real pro 2A non profits who are actually trying to restore gun rights.
 
If you hate the NRA by all means join another gun rights group....Join them all. Abolishing the NRA is gun owner suicide right now. There is corruption in every organization....grow up. Some of the posts here make me sick to my stomache. This country is under attack by well funded communists who have been targeting the NRA since I have been alive. I dont like everything about the NRA but thats life... get used to it. I will continue to support them warts and all. Whatever personal beefs one might have is not important in the big picture.

You want to attack organizations go attack the ACLU. They are more corrupt than the NRA has ever been. Go protest the DNC. Starting some online war against the NRA is just doing the work of marxists for them... might as well take a knee and bow to the CCP.

Dont ever get married... first time you have a disagreement you will end up in divorce. My wife takes grocery money and buys ice cream for herself all the time.....selfish....she even bought a pair of shoes once......UNBELIEVABLE! I almost called a divorce attorney Ha Ha.
 
Wayne is laughing in his bathtub full of money and really appreciates you funding his next vacation to the Bahamas!

yeah... look I am in my mid 40s married with kids. I grew up a long time ago on issues like this. I think it was around age 9 when I realized the world was not fair and people do questionable things. Probably learned it from my paper route.

Communist psyops dont work on me so you are wasting your time. The NRA has been around a lot longer than Wayne....a lot longer. Go attack another organization to fill the emptyness in your life. Leave gun owners alone. NRA doesnt steel taxpayer money. Nobody is forcing you to be a member.
 
I see Lapierre in the same light as Jim Baker and the PTL Club except Baker built his from scratch whereas Wayne and company stole a well respected national organization and built it into a money making empire. Baker got his justice and I doubt if the current thief leadership of the NRA see a single day behind bars for their actions. It is amazing that our country’s laws allow such a charter as the current NRA has to exist. Just look at the millions of members being took as suckers to a scheme where a few are the power and the rest get no say-so whatsoever in the affairs they so gleefully support.
I hope NY can jail the criminals and do the right thing by giving the NRA back to it’s rightful owners that existed before Harlan Carter and company took it’s heart and soul. I know it’s foolish to think as such but sometimes wrongs are righted.
 
I'll still support the NRA because I'm a shooter and they do good things for the shooting sports. I wish they would get out of politics all together and let other pro 2nd NGO do the "nasties" with the politicians. I would love to get an issue of Rifleman and not see one damn thing about politics from either the left or right. Just gun stuff.

And I thought that the NRA is a for profit corporation that supports various non profit entities like the ILA and 2nd Amendment Foundation that are under the umbrella of the NRA but are separate from the parent organization? That's why for years NRA dues were never tax deductible like DU and NWTF.
 
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I see Lapierre in the same light as Jim Baker and the PTL Club except Baker built his from scratch whereas Wayne and company stole a well respected national organization and built it into a money making empire. Baker got his justice and I doubt if the current thief leadership of the NRA see a single day behind bars for their actions. It is amazing that our country’s laws allow such a charter as the current NRA has to exist. Just look at the millions of members being took as suckers to a scheme where a few are the power and the rest get no say-so whatsoever in the affairs they so gleefully support.
I hope NY can jail the criminals and do the right thing by giving the NRA back to it’s rightful owners that existed before Harlan Carter and company took it’s heart and soul. I know it’s foolish to think as such but sometimes wrongs are righted.

Not by communists the arent
 
yeah... look I am in my mid 40s married with kids. I grew up a long time ago on issues like this. I think it was around age 9 when I realized the world was not fair and people do questionable things. Probably learned it from my paper route.

Communist psyops dont work on me so you are wasting your time. The NRA has been around a lot longer than Wayne....a lot longer. Go attack another organization to fill the emptyness in your life. Leave gun owners alone. NRA doesnt steel taxpayer money. Nobody is forcing you to be a member.

"questionable things". You mean steal $64 million dollars from donors? You call that "questionable". I guess at 9 you don't really understand the difference between questionable and criminal, but you should now.

Dunno who's a communist or what that has to do with the conversation. The NRA doesn't support gun owners. Hasn't for at least a decade or 2. The NRA supports its suits and their vacation habits.
 
This is real trouble for the gun world. The last thing we need is the dissolution of the only national organization that can/could have fought the anti-gunners. Hopefully some Congressman will bring this matter to the House and stop this travesty.
The problem is that the only national organization is a scandalous useless organized ponzischeme to make ultra liberal wayne and his corrupt cronies rich under the guise of gun rights. The nra has sold gun owners up the river and has chosen sides with leftist liberals. They need to be sorted out and wayne belongs in prison.
 
"questionable things". You mean steal $64 million dollars from donors? You call that "questionable". I guess at 9 you don't really understand the difference between questionable and criminal, but you should now.

Dunno who's a communist or what that has to do with the conversation. The NRA doesn't support gun owners. Hasn't for at least a decade or 2. The NRA supports its suits and their vacation habits.

Um... it has everything to do with the conversation. Like ai said earlier... you are not seeing the big picture. Go check out the Southern Poverty Law center sometime... or planned parenthood. You dont just disolve the NRA because of Wayne even if bunch of communists want to attack the RKBA.

What you are promoting is akin to burning down someones house because there is a clogged toilet.....Or disolving the entire police force because of a few bad police officers. Its childish and ignorant at best.... at worst its the actions of radicals who have ulterior motives.
 
It's like a cancer. How do you get rid of it without killing the patient? The organization does a lot more than just LaPierre. I know there is a lot of chronyism involved, but can someone not organize the members to overthrow the hierarchy?
 
It's like a cancer. How do you get rid of it without killing the patient? The organization does a lot more than just LaPierre. I know there is a lot of chronyism involved, but can someone not organize the members to overthrow the hierarchy?

Wayne will eventually be gone. I was hoping Tom would take the lead but now I think Ted Nugent will end up heading things eventually...... asuming we have a country left. This is just another lawfare hit job being pushed by globalists trying to dismantle our second ammendment. NRA goes down...GOA will be next. They will just be labeled a terrorist organization like they have done with the NRA.

This has been going on for years. Front groups have been infiltrating gun forums and trying to divide the gun community every way possible. Some of the younger crowd just dont have the ability to see through it.....price gouging is not fair.....NRA sucks because my state politicians are crooks......range memberships should be free....my cookies dont have enough chocolate chips in them...college should be free.....Ammo is too expensive at Bobs bait and tackle and I am going to tell everyone........blah blah, blah. I have heard it all. Me, Me, Me....I, I, I.

I will continue to support the NRA, GOA and every other gun rights organization. I will also support my local police as long as they stand for the American people.

Go protest public schools. They are far more corrupt than the NRA and basically extort the taxpayer to fund communist anti American propoganda. The make kids protest against gun rights with taxpayer money. They refuse to go back to work and still want full pay. They promote the disintigration of the nuclear family. They promote racist ideologies. You want to go all in on battling corruption...... there you go.

NRA is VOLUNTARY.... they are not the mafia.
 
Wayne is laughing in his bathtub full of money and really appreciates you funding his next vacation to the Bahamas!

True. And the Clintons, Kennedy’s and Obama’s are sitting in the next beach chair. The DCcritters are all the same and Wayne has become a critter. That doesn't mean it’s time for the NRA to go. Just Wayne.
 
True. And the Clintons, Kennedy’s and Obama’s are sitting in the next beach chair. The DCcritters are all the same and Wayne has become a critter. That doesn't mean it’s time for the NRA to go. Just Wayne.

Nah man burn it all down. Country has a corrupt government.... burn it all down. My kids are brats sometimes... send them to the orphanage. My wife made steaks tonight....to well done for me....I threw it in the trash.

This is what happens when creativity is stiffled for generations. All you end up with is a bunch of people hell bent on destruction and chaos. When I was a kid we all wanted to be Batman.... know everyone looks up to the Joker like he is a hero. Upsidown world....Rod Serling must be having a fit seeing this from above.
 
Wayne will eventually be gone. I was hoping Tom would take the lead but now I think Ted Nugent will end up heading things eventually......
Uncle Ted is not somebody I would really want being the face of any group except a rock group. I don't disagree with much that he says, but for a spokesman you need somebody who can be polite when necessary. Ted is just brutally unfiltered.
Tom Selleck would have been great, but he saw this coming (as did a lot of people) and backed out 2 years ago.
They should look at recruiting Gary Senise. He seems to be compatible with the mission and would be good for the job.
 
Um... it has everything to do with the conversation. Like ai said earlier... you are not seeing the big picture. Go check out the Southern Poverty Law center sometime... or planned parenthood. You dont just disolve the NRA because of Wayne even if bunch of communists want to attack the RKBA.

What you are promoting is akin to burning down someones house because there is a clogged toilet.....Or disolving the entire police force because of a few bad police officers. Its childish and ignorant at best.... at worst its the actions of radicals who have ulterior motives.

Well said.
 
They should look at recruiting Gary Senise. He seems to be compatible with the mission and would be good for the job.

A good way to point out that not everyone can do the job of heading an National Organization like the NRA. It's a job for someone with a specialized set of skills and those people don't come cheap.

Take a look at some of the salaries for the top job at other organizations and you will find that most earn 7 digits plus perks.

Before someone turns on the flames I am not endorsing Wayne or the NRA or their behavior. I am pointing out that highly and overly compensated people are the norm in these positions.

Reading the AG's comments makes me wonder why this isn't a criminal complaint to hold Wayne and the board responsible. Politics Perhaps?

As a side note reading the NY AG say "No one is above the law" made me laugh.
 
Uncle Ted is not somebody I would really want being the face of any group except a rock group. I don't disagree with much that he says, but for a spokesman you need somebody who can be polite when necessary. Ted is just brutally unfiltered.
Tom Selleck would have been great, but he saw this coming (as did a lot of people) and backed out 2 years ago.
They should look at recruiting Gary Senise. He seems to be compatible with the mission and would be good for the job.

Gary is already doing good work with his own projects. I would probably leave him alone. I agree he seems like a great guy.

Tom... yeah... I was disappointed he bailed. He really was ideal for the job. I dont know if he could have handled the heat right now though. Tom seems very low key and likes to live fairly quiet and simple for as big of a star as he is.

I used to think that way about Ted but right now.... in this current state of affairs.... we pretty much need a fighter who wont be intimidated. Obvioussly families will be threatened and doxxed. Standard communist tactics. Ted is a hard core anti communist. I dont see him being intimidated. Selleck probably would not have been able to handle that.

I am good with anyone who is up to the task though. It doesnt have to be a big star. It helps but finding a good apple among a field of rotten fruit is pretty hard these days. It helps if they are a hard core christian....they tend to understand and accept things like persecution much better.... higher calling .....etc. Thats why Heston was so good.

Its a very tricky position to hold in this day and age though no doubt about it. People want to attack Wayne all the time dont seem to understand that. Not a whole lot of people out there willing to be nailed to the cross for a cause. True believers with a backbone are not common.... especially when it comes to leadership positions. Most who crave leadership positions do so for selfish motives. History has shown that time and time again.
 
Good luck with that dream. They knew the members were not happy and said F...um. But old farts just kept propping them up. It's not a slight on older people the way I say it. Its the less educated elderly who do not stay informed and even the informed that will not change. If you became a life member long ago you did in an era when they were a true non profit doing good deeds for the shooting community. Nothing wrong with that at all. Ive been a member off and on but not for a decade.

Life member since the late 70's. I stopped sending them money when Ollie North left. Everytime the NRA send me something in the mail asking for money with a postage paid envelope, I send it back with large writing: NO MONEY TILL WAYNE IS GONE!

I have told others that I do not care if Wayne did something wrong or not. Allegations were made under his watch. As the head of the organization, he is responsible. Time for him to leave.
 
Wow, top 5. :rolleyes:

ETA: When I first saw that salary ranking chart, my mind immediately went to my old business days and my first thought was, What's our ROI on that? (Return On Investment)
 
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