Best type of ammo for Home Defense?

wsfiredude said:
Excellent!

If you took a poll on here, I’d venture a guess the majority of our folks would state they cut their “firearm” teeth on a .22 rifle.

For a “first gun”, you made the ideal choice, in my opinion (which ain’t worth a whole lot:)). Although it’s gotten a bit more expensive recently, .22LR ammunition is relatively cheap to shoot and you can shoot a lot of it without taking out a 2nd mortgage or selling your firstborn. A good number of indoor ranges will allow .22 rimfire rifles, so there’s a good chance you’ve got a spot somewhere nearby to practice.

In addition to live-fire range time, you can put a target paster/dot on the wall and do dry-fire practice...great things about dry-fire is it’s cheap (time is the only cost) and it pays huge dividends. That said, a rimfire is a bit unique in that you DO NOT want to dry-fire it on an empty chamber (possibility of damage to the breech face). You can buy snap-caps for dry-fire, but a cheaper route is to pick up some 4-6-8 x 7/8” drywall anchors...

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You can get a bunch of em for relatively little costs. They’ll chamber and extract just like a .22 LR cartridge. I can usually get 15-20 dry-fires from one anchor.

Finally, check out https://appleseedinfo.org/. They are a good organization, provide great instruction and as an added bonus, you’ll get some excellent history lessons.

Although a .22 rimfire may not be the ideal choice for defense of hearth and home, it’s what you can lay your hands on right now. Practice, practice, practice. Get as proficient with the rifle as you possibly can. I assure you the time you spend learning/training with the .22 and the skills you pick up will carry over.
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You could do worse than a high capacity semi auto 22lr carbine as a HD weapon in my opinion. Easy to control a high rate of accurate fire. 8 rounds is like a full 00 buckshot load.
 
Sammy Prasad said:
Nice tips. I got kids and LED flashlights, no dog though. It’s a two story house. I figured I will have enough time to grab the rifle, hustle the family inside a closet , call cops and wait.


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You should try this sometime. Have a neighbor help you run a "get to the safe spot" drill. Tell the family the expected response is they gather in your designated safe spot with no delay. Don't tell the family about the when of the drill, except that it will happen. Have the neighbor beat on your door to announce his entry. You need to go for your "weapon" (substitute a broom stick or something) and get to safe room, wife and kids need to drop stuff and get to safe room. It's going to be a disaster of kids dragging their butt off the screen they're watching and the wife not feeling like this is terribly important. You'll probably find yourself fumbling with stuff trying to pick up the "weapon" and get to the safe room.

From this you'll learn a lot of stuff about you and the chaos of getting everybody into a safe space. From that you'll need to develop plans to anticipate and accomodate unless the whole family is as serious about this as you are.

You should go ahead and get your CHP. You'll find that having the gun anywhere but on you is a cluster, unless you have so many guns that you can safely keep one in every room. Having kids makes that more of a challenge. Once you don't have to go for the gun your primary task is reduced to getting the family to the safe spot. Maybe keep the gun in the safe spot.

It's been said already that you should seek training. I can't stress this enough. This whole thing is about 10% operating the gun. It's 90% mindset. This next phrase sounds awful, but it's reality....If your aren't prepared to drop an armed 13 year old kid where he stands holding a weapon and threatening, then you don't have the mindset. Training will get you on task understanding that we shoot to stop, and sometimes that leads to death.
Not only should you seek training, but the whole family. I sent my wife to the same trainer I went to. His lesson plan for firearm defense dovetails with his plan for unarmed self defense. He specifically taught my wife to drop her butt to the ground if she saw specific actions or heard specific things from me...all clues that I'm about to fire at the bad guy. This way everybody in the house is on the same team working together.
 
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wsfiredude said:
For .22LR, I’m partial to CCI Mini Mags. They seem to be pretty consistent from lot to lot, shoot relatively clean and I haven’t had any issues with them functioning properly in a semi-automatic firearm.
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Ditto, but these days CCI Velocitors would be my HD round if I had to use a 22lr. Higher velocity/energy but retains the 40gr HP.
 
rantingredneck said:
I'll go against the grain and recommend against a shotgun.

A shotgun is often touted as a good choice for a beginner, but that's built on very faulty logic and quite a bit of myth. How many times have you heard "you can't miss with a shotgun?" Well, yeah you can. Just as easily as you can with anything else....

Here are the negatives (in no particular order...):

  • Most shotguns require you to load one round at a time into a fixed magazine. The ammo is heavy, and large and not conducive to carrying much on your person or on the gun and usually if you find yourself in a fight with a shotgun, what is on it or in it is what you have. You'll be limited to a capacity of six or seven rounds in the gun with maybe another 4-7 on the gun in a sidesaddle.
  • Reloading a shotgun under stress is an art. There are some that are truly very good at it, but it takes a lot of practice and investment in time. A gunfight is not a video game, there's no pause button or reload button....
  • Shotguns have quite a bit of recoil for a new shooter to manage. That slows follow up shots. Predators often travel in packs. Those packs are getting larger these days.
  • Shotguns are often touted for their versatility with a wide range of ammunition available for different uses and ranges. This is truly a benefit, but it also requires a good bit of time and effort to understand what each of those ammunition types do at each range. Some have effective ranges measured in tens of yards. Some have effective ranges measured in feet. And you need to know what each type of shell does at each range from YOUR gun. Again, big investment of time and resources to gain that knowledge. To quote a trainer I know "Shotguns really are an expert's weapon."

I'd recommend 5.56. Light for caliber ammunition (50-55 grain). HP or VMAX bullet traveling fast. Will it meet the FBI minimum penetration depth? Probably not. Will the person being shot with it care whether it did? Probably not. Will your ears ring like hell? Yes they will, but they will from anything you shoot indoors. Tinnitus beats death.

That ^ all being said, there are two guns typically with easy reach when I wake up. One is an AR (not loaded with frangible ammo, because I don't live where you live), the other is a Remington 1100 Competition Master.
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agree with this all except for one point, the 223/556 HP. for HD a SP is preferred for me.
 
Catfish said:
What are the houses made from? Brick or vinyl?
Penetration is a problem for any firearm if you live in a vinyl village or apartment.

This guy has done a lot of practical testing that might help inform your decision:
https://www.theboxotruth.com/
And
“Birdshot is for little birdies”
- TBOT
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Yup. Sure. I dare him to take a load of 6’s at in home distances.
 
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Timfoilhat said:
You should try this sometime. Have a neighbor help you run a "get to the safe spot" drill. Tell the family the expected response is they gather in your designated safe spot with no delay. Don't tell the family about the when of the drill, except that it will happen. Have the neighbor beat on your door to announce his entry. You need to go for your "weapon" (substitute a broom stick or something) and get to safe room, wife and kids need to drop stuff and get to safe room. It's going to be a disaster of kids dragging their butt off the screen they're watching and the wife not feeling like this is terribly important. You'll probably find yourself fumbling with stuff trying to pick up the "weapon" and get to the safe room.

From this you'll learn a lot of stuff about you and the chaos of getting everybody into a safe space. From that you'll need to develop plans to anticipate and accomodate unless the whole family is as serious about this as you are.

You should go ahead and get your CHP. You'll find that having the gun anywhere but on you is a cluster, unless you have so many guns that you can safely keep one in every room. Having kids makes that more of a challenge. Once you don't have to go for the gun your primary task is reduced to getting the family to the safe spot. Maybe keep the gun in the safe spot.

It's been said already that you should seek training. I can't stress this enough. This whole thing is about 10% operating the gun. It's 90% mindset. This next phrase sounds awful, but it's reality....If your aren't prepared to drop an armed 13 year old kid where he stands holding a weapon and threatening, then you don't have the mindset. Training will get you on task understanding that we shoot to stop, and sometimes that leads to death.
Not only should you seek training, but the whole family. I sent my wife to the same trainer I went to. His lesson plan for firearm defense dovetails with his plan for unarmed self defense. He specifically taught my wife to drop her butt to the ground if she saw specific actions or heard specific things from me...all clues that I'm about to fire at the bad guy. This way everybody in the house is on the same team working together.
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I like your thought process. Me and my wife went over similar things, like, which closet to go to when it happens etc, what would happen if I was injured. So far I am hearing a growing consensus about taking the CHP classes and not just training by my self in the range, after that I will have my wife also take a class.
 
backwoodsshooter said:
agree with this all except for one point, the 223/556 HP. for HD a SP is preferred for me.
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Thanks for bringing this up, there was a recommendation for 223 Varmint, I am still researching on that. Is Soft Point same as HP but less penetration?
 
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Sammy Prasad said:
Thanks for bringing this up, there was a recommendation for 223 Varmint, I am still researching on that. Is Soft Point same as HP but less penetration?
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Depends on the HP. I was recommending light varmint bullets. Think VMax or varmageddon. They frag rapidly when they hit anything. Would be less dangerous after a sheet or two of drywall than other options.

I use more controlled expansion stuff personally.
 
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B00ger said:
Look...here is what I told my wife...we got a shotgun. We got us a double barrel shotgun. Thats all we need. If we hear something in the night we just go out on our balcony and fire two blasts up in the air. That will solve any problem. So, get yourself a double barrel shotgun.

Ammo? Just cut the plastic off of the tip of a shell and dump out the bullets inside. You dont need em. The sound will be enough. Trust me. And those bullets could travel through a train and knock down an airplane.
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Now ur making me wish I had a balcony in my home LOL
 
Tailhunter said:
Yup. Sure. I dare him to take a load of 6’s at in home distances.
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I know for sure that Hi Brass lead #4's will put a fist size hole in a refrigerator from about 10 yards. I damn sure wouldn't want to get hit with them.
 
wsfiredude said:
This is only MY opinion...I’m no expert or Jedi gunslinger:
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Thank you, I am hearing more about varmint rounds and I am starting to get a feeling that it might be closer to what I need.

I value every opinion, I did expect people to go back and forth between different firearms and ammo, but in the end they will give their reasoning behind it and that's where I am trying to match my requirements.
 
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rantingredneck said:
Depends on the HP. I was recommending light varmint bullets. Think VMax or varmageddon. They frag rapidly when they hit anything. Would be less dangerous after a sheet or two of drywall than other options.

I use more controlled expansion stuff personally.
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this. varmit projectiles are meant to practically explode once it penetrates a couple inches in. this is meant to not destroy an animals pelt that will be used.

so in a HD situation, it CAN be great, but a lot of other factors like bone can play in to things.
 
Sammy Prasad said:
Thanks for bringing this up, there was a recommendation for 223 Varmint, I am still researching on that. Is Soft Point same as HP but less penetration?
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well in theory a soft point is supposed to dump energy and mushroom/expand better i guess in a shorter amount of distance after penetration. hollow well a lot of factors can play in expansion.

more less soft points and varmit projectiles are good for 2 legged critters in the house
 
Well, let me stick my .02 in...

Train, train, train. Take the concealed carry class; take it with your wife. She needs to know what to do and how to do it, even if you are the planned shooter in the home defense plan. Why? Because there is a maxim that states "No plan survives contact with the enemy".

Whatever firearm you have will do if YOU will do. There is good advice here about caliber etc. If you already have the 15-22 then an AR would build on the skills you have been developing.

Regarding hearing protection, I would keep a pair of electronic muffs handy. If circumstances permit throw them on. Have the volume cranked to max; take any advantage you can. If you have to fire indoors one round of anything can cause permanent damage; .22 may be the only possible exception to that. I wouldn't get too wrapped up in making putting them on a major step in your response; you have to be around for the ringing to be annoying.
 
wsfiredude said:
Excellent!

If you took a poll on here, I’d venture a guess the majority of our folks would state they cut their “firearm” teeth on a .22 rifle.

For a “first gun”, you made the ideal choice, in my opinion (which ain’t worth a whole lot:)). Although it’s gotten a bit more expensive recently, .22LR ammunition is relatively cheap to shoot and you can shoot a lot of it without taking out a 2nd mortgage or selling your firstborn. A good number of indoor ranges will allow .22 rimfire rifles, so there’s a good chance you’ve got a spot somewhere nearby to practice.

In addition to live-fire range time, you can put a target paster/dot on the wall and do dry-fire practice...great things about dry-fire is it’s cheap (time is the only cost) and it pays huge dividends. That said, a rimfire is a bit unique in that you DO NOT want to dry-fire it on an empty chamber (possibility of damage to the breech face). You can buy snap-caps for dry-fire, but a cheaper route is to pick up some 4-6-8 x 7/8” drywall anchors...

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You can get a bunch of em for relatively little costs. They’ll chamber and extract just like a .22 LR cartridge. I can usually get 15-20 dry-fires from one anchor.

Finally, check out https://appleseedinfo.org/. They are a good organization, provide great instruction and as an added bonus, you’ll get some excellent history lessons.

Although a .22 rimfire may not be the ideal choice for defense of hearth and home, it’s what you can lay your hands on right now. Practice, practice, practice. Get as proficient with the rifle as you possibly can. I assure you the time you spend learning/training with the .22 and the skills you pick up will carry over.
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just skimming this post and not reading everything but still learning a lot...yellow sex toy may be good defense ammo...unlikely to overpenetrate i guess

what “caliber“ is best?
 
NCGUY said:
Wasn't trying to troll ...so let me explain;
Of course I believe OP should be confident in his ability to place shots accurately (training). I can hit someone indoors in the head with my son's nerf gun. 5-10 yds, Just sayin.
As far as hearing protection. Get a set of noise cancelling muffs or something if you wish. I just don't consider it a necessity when trying to protect my family and half asleep.
As far as aiming at throat/head area... that's where I would aim. It really does keep bullet on a higher plane. Awareness is key also. Like where can and can't I shoot. I don't believe in bullets that do the job but will stop at wall sections.
If OP is only going to have a couple guns then I would have a common gun in a common caliber for SHTF prepping.
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The fact you weren't trying to troll makes everything youve posted a little worse.
The OP was advised to go get some training. I'm going to advise you to do the same.
But not just any training, specifically go get some force on force training. Dont go to any other training prior to the force on force, go with the skillset you currently have. Pull nothing but head shots during the training. I think you're eyes will open to how incredibly bad your advice is.
An emergency situation in the dark, with adrenaline pumping, both you and bad guy on the move, with the added possibility of a weapon pointed at you is in no way similar to using a nerf gun with you kid.
PLEASE go to a force on force class before you eithrr end up dead or cause someone else to from piss poor advice.
 
draco88 said:
The fact you weren't trying to troll makes everything youve posted a little worse.
The OP was advised to go get some training. I'm going to advise you to do the same.
But not just any training, specifically go get some force on force training. Dont go to any other training prior to the force on force, go with the skillset you currently have. Pull nothing but head shots during the training. I think you're eyes will open to how incredibly bad your advice is.
An emergency situation in the dark, with adrenaline pumping, both you and bad guy on the move, with the added possibility of a weapon pointed at you is in no way similar to using a nerf gun with you kid.
PLEASE go to a force on force class before you eithrr end up dead or cause someone else to from piss poor advice.
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So, I am very poorly trained. I mean really bad. As in I can’t hit a torso from 3’ in broad day light. My trainer has told me if I could find a really bright, shiny weapon from Eastern Europe it would really help me. Any suggestions?
 
CZfool68 said:
So, I am very poorly trained. I mean really bad. As in I can’t hit a torso from 3’ in broad day light. My trainer has told me if I could find a really bright, shiny weapon from Eastern Europe it would really help me. Any suggestions?
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I wouldn't have a clue where anything of the sort resides :rolleyes:

















You know... I still haven't fired that thing lol
 
draco88 said:
The fact you weren't trying to troll makes everything youve posted a little worse.
The OP was advised to go get some training. I'm going to advise you to do the same.
But not just any training, specifically go get some force on force training. Dont go to any other training prior to the force on force, go with the skillset you currently have. Pull nothing but head shots during the training. I think you're eyes will open to how incredibly bad your advice is.
An emergency situation in the dark, with adrenaline pumping, both you and bad guy on the move, with the added possibility of a weapon pointed at you is in no way similar to using a nerf gun with you kid.
PLEASE go to a force on force class before you eithrr end up dead or cause someone else to from piss poor advice.
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OP said he was concerned about penetration through walls due to neighbors/ loved ones. I suggested he know where they are in the home and adjust accordingly. If someone is a threat and just happens to be standing in front of his child's bedroom wall then aim higher than center mass. Is that really bad advice?
 
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I chose a 300BLK 10" SBR AR with a light and a can. I recently learned the PoPo will confiscate your weapon, engrave it with the case number, and it will be very difficult to get it back once found you defended your life, even with a lawyer. I switched to an inexpensive PSA 300BLK pistol AR for HD.
I've stuck with a Glock carry gun, might transition to a polymer CZ, for the same reason. Both are reliable and much cheaper to replace vs paying a lawyer to fight the Sheriff.
 
NCGUY said:
OP said he was concerned about penetration through walls due to neighbors/ loved ones. I suggested he know where they are in the home and adjust accordingly. If someone is a threat and just happens to be standing in front of his child's bedroom wall then aim higher than center mass. Is that really bad advice?
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Yes, it is. You will miss, give up your position, and maybe end up dead.
At that point, do not engage. Try to tip the tactical situation in your favor.
I work with professional shooters who have many years of training under their belts. They have plenty of actual engagement experience. People who are cool under fire. People who have forgotten more about tactics and marksmanship than you or I will ever know. Even they won't attempt what you are suggesting.
Please go get some force on force training.
 
I disagree with you and think your the type that thrives on spreading your wisdom.
One last try to help you...
If your child is behind a bad guy that is fixing to shoot you.
1) shoot mid center and hope it doesn't hit your kid
2) Aim a bit higher
3) seek cover and go through all my tactical situation tipping possibilities

Goodness...I'm done
 
NCGUY said:
I disagree with you and think your the type that thrives on spreading your wisdom.
One last try to help you...
If your child is behind a bad guy that is fixing to shoot you.
1) shoot mid center and hope it doesn't hit your kid
2) Aim a bit higher
3) seek cover and go through all my tactical situation tipping possibilities

Goodness...I'm done
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Duck down... be a smaller target and your trajectory goes low to high; aim center mass any overpenetration will exit upward.
 
NCGUY said:
I disagree with you and think your the type that thrives on spreading your wisdom.
One last try to help you...
If your child is behind a bad guy that is fixing to shoot you.
1) shoot mid center and hope it doesn't hit your kid
2) Aim a bit higher
3) seek cover and go through all my tactical situation tipping possibilities

Goodness...I'm done
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Trust me he knows what he is talking about. Lets just say he has been in an organized group for several yrs that trains daily.:rolleyes:
 
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Pink_Vapor said:
I chose a 300BLK 10" SBR AR with a light and a can. I recently learned the PoPo will confiscate your weapon, engrave it with the case number, and it will be very difficult to get it back once found you defended your life, even with a lawyer. I switched to an inexpensive PSA 300BLK pistol AR for HD.
I've stuck with a Glock carry gun, might transition to a polymer CZ, for the same reason. Both are reliable and much cheaper to replace vs paying a lawyer to fight the Sheriff.
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Makes the case for one of these doesn it?
https://www.extarusa.com/shop/firearms/extar-ep9
 
What if he shoots you while your ducking or looking for some other tactical advantage? What if he ducks while you hesitate? This could go on and on. Let's agree to disagree...
 
teamglock2002 said:
Trust me he knows what he is talking about. Lets just say he has been in an organized group for several yrs that trains daily.:rolleyes:
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Yeah...ask @draco88 where he was standing when he hit Post Reply. ;)
 
Car0linab0y said:
...aim center mass any overpenetration will exit upward.
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Not necessairily. Once bullets hit bodies the trajectory is anybody's guess. They can traverse around the skull under the scalp leaving basicly no damage on the bad guy. They can hit arms and ribs and deflect in any forward direction. HP can also partially expand on just one side and that changes their course through a body. Check out some videos of gel testing and notice the occasions that the rounds tested exit the block.

A little time in a force of force class would highlight how frequently people get shot in the hands and arms when defending against another person holding a weapon who is inside of 25 feet or so.
 
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I personally only go for right eye shots. If you put fire directly into an assailants right eye it will throw off their ability to aim well, and therefore give you an advantage...


But fo'real...what we have here is another case of someone giving extremely poor advice ("Shoot high!") and then desperately trying to defend their advice by altering the situation to specifically fit their advice.

The rule is always hit the biggest target you can see. This will usually be center mass. A grazing shot to the chest is far better than a miss to the head. People who advise to take shots to hands/legs/heads/arms or any other smaller target have either never been in a fight, or never trained by someone who has been in a fight.

Now, what can happen is that the circumstances of the fight may change that makes you alter this. The only thing you may see is a head, or a leg, or a buttock...then you take the shot. The bad guy could be standing over your child, under your childs bed, or any of 1,000 other "scenarios" we can insert in here to try to justify not shooting center mass. But that doesn't in any way negate the fact that a center mass shot is best to train and prepare for.

"What the best bait for farm pond bass?"
"Nightcrawlers"
"But they said they were hitting on minnows at Salem lake."
"Then use minnows at Salem Lake."
 
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B00ger said:
I personally only go for right eye shots. If you put fire directly into an assailants right eye it will throw off their ability to aim well, and therefore give you an advantage...


But fo'real...what we have here is another case of someone giving extremely poor advice ("Shoot high!") and then desperately trying to defend their advice by altering the situation to specifically fit their advice.

The rule is always hit the biggest target you can see. This will usually be center mass. A grazing shot to the chest is far better than a miss to the head. People who advise to take shots to hands/legs/heads/arms or any other smaller target have either never been in a fight, or never trained by someone who has been in a fight.

Now, what can happen is that the circumstances of the fight may change that makes you alter this. The only thing you may see is a head, or a leg, or a buttock...then you take the shot. The bad guy could be standing over your child, under your childs bed, or any of 1,000 other "scenarios" we can insert in here to try to justify not shooting center mass. But that doesn't in any way negate the fact that a center mass shot is best to train and prepare for.

"What the best bait for farm pond bass?"
"Nightcrawlers"
"But they said they were hitting on minnows at Salem lake."
"Then use minnows at Salem Lake."
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I typed out essentially this same post and decided against posting it. But you're right.
 
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B00ger said:
I personally only go for right eye shots. If you put fire directly into an assailants right eye it will throw off their ability to aim well, and therefore give you an advantage...


But fo'real...what we have here is another case of someone giving extremely poor advice ("Shoot high!") and then desperately trying to defend their advice by altering the situation to specifically fit their advice.

The rule is always hit the biggest target you can see. This will usually be center mass. A grazing shot to the chest is far better than a miss to the head. People who advise to take shots to hands/legs/heads/arms or any other smaller target have either never been in a fight, or never trained by someone who has been in a fight.

Now, what can happen is that the circumstances of the fight may change that makes you alter this. The only thing you may see is a head, or a leg, or a buttock...then you take the shot. The bad guy could be standing over your child, under your childs bed, or any of 1,000 other "scenarios" we can insert in here to try to justify not shooting center mass. But that doesn't in any way negate the fact that a center mass shot is best to train and prepare for.

"What the best bait for farm pond bass?"
"Nightcrawlers"
"But they said they were hitting on minnows at Salem lake."
"Then use minnows at Salem Lake."
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B00ger said:
I personally only go for right eye shots. If you put fire directly into an assailants right eye it will throw off their ability to aim well, and therefore give you an advantage...


But fo'real...what we have here is another case of someone giving extremely poor advice ("Shoot high!") and then desperately trying to defend their advice by altering the situation to specifically fit their advice.

The rule is always hit the biggest target you can see. This will usually be center mass. A grazing shot to the chest is far better than a miss to the head. People who advise to take shots to hands/legs/heads/arms or any other smaller target have either never been in a fight, or never trained by someone who has been in a fight.

Now, what can happen is that the circumstances of the fight may change that makes you alter this. The only thing you may see is a head, or a leg, or a buttock...then you take the shot. The bad guy could be standing over your child, under your childs bed, or any of 1,000 other "scenarios" we can insert in here to try to justify not shooting center mass. But that doesn't in any way negate the fact that a center mass shot is best to train and prepare for.

"What the best bait for farm pond bass?"
"Nightcrawlers"
"But they said they were hitting on minnows at Salem lake."
"Then use minnows at Salem Lake."
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Sigh...
@B00ger
when will you ever learn?
I mean i appreciate your sage tactical advice and all, but right eye shots only work on right handed people, and we all know John Wick is actually left handed...
 
That's fine but I still think practicing and spending lots of time shooting groups should give one the conference to hit a pie plate at an indoor distance shot. I agree with center mass but occasionally a slightly higher shot is required.
 
Shooting a pie plate in training is quite different than shooting it after being startled awake late in the night by a home intruder. Darkness, adrenaline, worrying about family members etc. Not quite the same as being proficient at it at the range.
 
NCGUY said:
That's fine but I still think practicing and spending lots of time shooting groups should give one the conference to hit a pie plate at an indoor distance shot. I agree with center mass but occasionally a slightly higher shot is required.
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No, if you actually spend time here you will realize that we are far more like a highly dysfunctional family that can’t make it a week without someone getting beaten up in the driveway. I would hazard that at least 95% of the people who have posted in this thread have wanted to punch me in my grill hole >at least< twice over the years. (And that’s a conservative estimate)

No one is saying we shouldn’t train to hit a pie plate sized target. No one is saying you shouldn’t go for tight groups. We have >specifically< said to always go for center mass (the largest target) as it is generally the best target that will lead to a higher probability of a hit. If there is a better target presented go for it. If you have a clean headshot and can take it, go for it. But look at who asked this question: brand new gun owner guy asking for ammo advice. And while we welcome him with open arms to the club and trying to learn, John Wick he ain’t.

The majority of us (minus Jeppo) could probably write our names in cursive using our preferred handgun using controlled fire. Many of us compete in local, regional, and national competitions. Markmanship isn’t the issue.


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