Glock vs mp vs ????

Glock got it right the first time. Accept no substitutes!
I'm not trying to stir the pot BUT if they got it right the first time why do they keep changing everything and now have 5 different generations. Different frames ,different barrels ,different finishes, different sights different grip designs different grip textures and different slide serrations. What part did they get right the first time? how many more times are they going to change everything that they can?:rolleyes:.... PS I am not a Glock hater ,I own 7 and getting another one Friday
 
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I'm not trying to stir the pot BUT if they got it right the first time why do they keep changing everything and now have 5 different generations. Different frames ,different barrels ,different finishes, different sights different grip designs different grip textures and different slide serrations. What part did they get right the first time? how many more times are they going to change everything that they can?:rolleyes:.... PS I am not a Glock hater ,I own 7 and getting another one Friday

OUCH! :D
 
Are they still offering the "Buy two CZs, get a free Kenny G cd" promotion?
They are, but only for metal framed pistols. For buying two of the polymer framed pistols, you get a CD of Richard Marx's greatest hits.

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I like glocks but shoot M&Ps better. My 9c shocked me how accurate it was when I first shot it. Glocks do seem to hold their value better though. Heck I have seen Glocks more expensive used on Armslist than new at the gun store :D
 
They are, but only for metal framed pistols. For buying two of the polymer framed pistols, you get a CD of Richard Marx's greatest hits.

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Yeah...because they are a Hazard...get it?!


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I'm not trying to stir the pot BUT if they got it right the first time why do they keep changing everything and now have 5 different generations. Different frames ,different barrels ,different finishes, different sights different grip designs different grip textures and different slide serrations. What part did they get right the first time? how many more times are they going to change everything that they can?:rolleyes:.... PS I am not a Glock hater ,I own 7 and getting another one Friday
The big thing for me is dimensions. Glock 19 is 5" tall, 4" barrel, 15+1 and it's been that way since the early 90s! That's the perfect handgun (t0 me).
 
I am a Glock fan through and through but I think it's safe to say that you will not go wrong with either. I chose Glock over M&P because I wanted the "G19 size." The 2.0 solves that problem. Don't over think it. Try each and see which one you like better.
 
I didn't like the feel of the 2.0 compact S&W. It felt front end heavy to me. I like my Shield just fine but I also want to go to a little larger capacity carry pistol. I'm on the lookout for a CZ PCR to fit that bill.
 
I used to be a big glock fan until i picked up a M&P, could not believe how good a plastic pistol could fell in your hands. Sold all the glocks and shoot a few 1.0 M&Ps w/ the Apex kits.

Didn't like the XDs, just tried and sold a Para P18.9. I need to check out a FN or CZ next.
 
.2" taller for the same capacity, came out 29 years too late, and apparently has such a small aftermarket that you've gotta use a Glock holster. :p
Nope saw no reason to buy another holster. Its a Cross breed and it fits several pistols. .2 really nitpicking . You really need to shoot one. Like I said I have 7 Glocks now and getting another one Friday. But the CZ shoot's better and has a smoother trigger pull and quicker reset right out of the box without having to do anything to it.That's why I bought it . I've got Gen 2s ,Gen 3s and Gen 4 models
 
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Sorry, was just joking about the last point. Nevertheless, Glock aftermarket is hard to say no to.
When my department allowed its officers to carry semi -auto pistols a few years before they went totally to Semi autos I bought a Gen 1 17. I kick my ass every day for selling it after the department started issuing 2nd Generation S&W 4516 pistols. It would be worth some money today.It was one of the first Glocks in NC in the early 1980's .I could not find a holster for it except the plastic ones Glock made. So I got some leather and made one. Still have the holster ,No telling where that Glock is today.
 
I have guns for two purposes:
1: fun range / competition guns.
2: carry guns


The first ones are my sportscars. My Cz's. These are what I love and enjoy. They are the Porsches in my driveway. I spent more on them and shoot a lot more ammo through them (all handloaded) and I feel a lot of pride of ownership. They outperform my carry guns for this use.

The second ones are my carry guns. These are the Honda Civics in the driveway. Grocks. I have three sizes for any situation and they just work. Easy to acquire and tons of stuff available for them. As dispassionate as I intended to be about these guns I have come to respect and love them as much as my CZ's. Have been tempted to switch these up for other poly guns, but just can't bring myself to do it. They are amazing carry guns. The G43 is about the perfect carry gun, imo.

In a fire I'd grab my beloved CZs. But if I could only have one gun and the shtf, I'd probably grab a Glock 19.
 
Nobody mentions FN....smdh.
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Trigger is excellent with crisp reset

Setup for ambidextrous controls

Cold Hammer forged barrel

Comes with 3 mags, 12rd capacity with 17rd avail.

Factory Trijicon NS

Made in Columbia SC USA (Stamped Fredericksburg VA since thats FNs HQ)

All for lower than just about every competitor.

This is because its a secret. Shhhh.
 
Glocks are best when ridden hard and put up wet....

I have a Glock 17 with a homemade (hack saw) grip reduction and stippling (because I get sweaty hands) from a $5 soldering iron. It's ugly, but I have put about 5K rounds without an issue.

I sold/traded all my "pretty" range guns and now shoot only Glocks (because they are for HD/SD). Some pistols I shoot better than Glock (@Elenaidan HK Mk 23 for example, SIG p226/239), but want to retain the same muscle memory and manual of arms.
 
I've been carrying a Ruger SR9c for a few years, and I really like it. Its not very wide, easy to carry, and has easy to use controls. In my experience, it has a better trigger from the factory than Glocks typically do. It comes with 10 round mags, but the 17 round mags from the SR9 full size fit as well. It also has a thumb safety, which is a plus to me.

They're inexpensive, and can usually be found around the $400 mark, and can be found used even cheaper.

The only real down side to them is limited aftermarket accessories, if you're into that sort of thing.
 
Glocks are good guns because they work when you need them to. I also will start using the 19 that I got Friday as my EDC because they are relatively cheap. Think about this. If you are forced to use your CCW gun to protect yourlife or the life of another person the handgun will be taken by the police and not returned to you for sometime.A lot can happen to it.For that reason I decided to start carrying a gun that won't hurt my feelings if it gets scratched or damaged. I would hate to have one of my Sig's or high end 1911's to be treated carelessly and damaged. Food for thought. Sorry to rant but it's said to inform you guys and gals of what could happen.
 
Glocks are good guns because they work when you need them to. I also will start using the 19 that I got Friday as my EDC because they are relatively cheap. Think about this. If you are forced to use your CCW gun to protect yourlife or the life of another person the handgun will be taken by the police and not returned to you for sometime.A lot can happen to it.For that reason I decided to start carrying a gun that won't hurt my feelings if it gets scratched or damaged. I would hate to have one of my Sig's or high end 1911's to be treated carelessly and damaged. Food for thought. Sorry to rant but it's said to inform you guys and gals of what could happen.

Exactly why I carry my trusty Hi Point. :D
 
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Nobody mentions FN....smdh.
bc8baf4ae0afb3b638a6e98b126248f1.jpg

Trigger is excellent with crisp reset

Setup for ambidextrous controls

Cold Hammer forged barrel

Comes with 3 mags, 12rd capacity with 17rd avail.

Factory Trijicon NS

Made in Columbia SC USA (Stamped Fredericksburg VA since thats FNs HQ)

All for lower than just about every competitor.
You beat me to it! My first plastic fantastic was a 9L that was a killer gun. I always regret getting rid of that one, but my "grass is greener" mentality makes me do stupid things at times. My only "problem" with it was lack of after market stuff, not that it needed it (unlike a Glock imho. I'm not a fan).
 
Think about this. If you are forced to use your CCW gun to protect yourlife or the life of another person the handgun will be taken by the police and not returned to you for sometime.A lot can happen to it.For that reason I decided to start carrying a gun that won't hurt my feelings if it gets scratched or damaged. I would hate to have one of my Sig's or high end 1911's to be treated carelessly and damaged. Food for thought. Sorry to rant but it's said to inform you guys and gals of what could happen.

I've quite honestly never understood this view. In my opinion, this is a thought process that says volumes about where one is concerning preparedness and mindset.

Just how good can one's thinking be if having one's pistol taken into evidence takes precedence over EDC'ing the very best that you own. Just how much is your family's lives and your life worth versus a $1,500-$2,500 pistol?

So long as the shooting is justified and the good guys and/or innocent third parties are safe in the end, who gives a flip if the pistol is taken into evidence? If your shoot is bad, there again, who cares about the gun? Either way, that silly pistol is the least of your worries.

The SBI lab has, in the past, been in the hot seat due to their reckless handling of personal property, so much so, that they lost a bucket load of money in civil proceedings. Now days, things have been cleaned up and the property of the citizenry is much better handled and returned in a more appropriate time frame.

Don't make that bad day be your last, because you let childish materialism and other comparatively insignificant factors weigh into what could turn out to be the most important moments of one's life. The time is past to get a true grasp of the situation once that threat is entirely focused on you, is keyed on you and intent on removing you and others from his or their freedom or from achieving their goals. Mentally, educationally, and logistically, you should have already culled the BS from your mind and have only the sole purpose in life, of stopping the evil intentioned, nothing else exists.

I know I know, this is point in the thread where the usual suspects reply about their uncle's cousin's friend, who used to be a XYZ Ninja, got into a shooting and the bad, bad Johnny Law, pooped all over him, withheld Mtn Dew from him, they wore jackboots, blah, blah, etc. that's just silly, small minded, trailer park little man/ghetto rat immature inferiority & paranoia.

But in the real world, use the best you've got, that you shoot the best, is your most reliable and is the one you find most comforting to have on your side. For me, my carry rotation consists of my best/favorites that I interface the best with, damn the price of an inanimate object.

The only thing you've really got to lose is the lives of your loved ones and your own.
 
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I've quite honestly never understood this view. In my opinion, this is a thought process that says volumes about where one is concerning preparedness and mindset.

Just how good can one's thinking be if having one's pistol taken into evidence takes precedence over EDC'ing the very best that you own. Just how much is your family's lives and your life worth versus a $1,500-$2,500 pistol?

So long as the shooting is justified and the good guys and/or innocent third parties are safe in the end, who gives a flip if the pistol is taken into evidence? If your shoot is bad, there again, who cares about the gun? Either way, that silly pistol is the least of your worries.

The SBI lab has, in the past, been in the hot seat due to their reckless handling of personal property, so much so, that they lost a bucket load of money in civil proceedings. Now days, things have been cleaned up and the property of the citizenry is much better handled and returned in a more appropriate time frame.

Don't make that bad day be your last, because you let childish materialism and other comparatively insignificant factors weigh into what could turn out to be the most important moments of one's life. The time is past to get a true grasp of the situation once that threat is entirely focused on you, is keyed on you and intent on removing you and others from his or their freedom or from achieving their goals. Mentally, educationally, and logistically, you should have already culled the BS from your mind and have only the sole purpose in life, of stopping the evil intentioned, nothing else exists.

I know I know, this is point in the thread where the usual suspects reply about their uncle's cousin's friend, who used to be a XYZ Ninja, got into a shooting and the bad, bad Johnny Law, pooped all over him, withheld Mtn Dew from him, they wore jackboots, blah, blah, etc. that's just silly, small minded, trailer park little man/ghetto rat immature inferiority & paranoia.

But in the real world, use the best you've got, that you shoot the best, is your most reliable and is the one you find most comforting to have on your side. For me, my carry rotation consists of my best/favorites that I interface the best with, damn the price of an inanimate object.

The only thing you've really got to lose is the lives of your loved ones and your own.
If I shoot someone with a Dan Wesson or a Nighthawk or an Ed Brown pistol will the be any more dead than if I shoot them with a 400 dollar Glock. Heck no. I don't think so. That's my reasoning for the post. A $400 dollar gun will take out the bad guy just as quick and just as good. And if you "listen" to all the people on the forum that think and say that you cannot buy a better gun than a Glock then there you have it. I am a gun snob and love my higher end guns and don't want them confiscated for any reason. That's why I now carry a Glock for EDC . Maybe you have plenty of money to throw away by having a high end gun taken and abused ,I don't. As Dirty Harry said, A man has to know his limitations. I know what I can do with any handgun that I choose and I can pick anyone of mine and be confident in the gun and my ability to neutralize my attacker with it.
 
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I think the main point that needs to be addressed is that you should carry the pistol you are most proficient with. If you can shoot a Glock 19 just as well as your $3,000 custom 1911 then carry the Glock, because carry pistols experience wear and may as well keep the fancy pistol for BBQs. But if you find that you are a better shot and can work the $3,000 pistol in a superior way to the Glock, then carry the fancy gun.

If you lose the fight the price of your pistol won’t matter.


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I'm a Glock guy...buy the CZP10c if you just want to buy a gun and not have to add anything to it. . It is hands down better than the G19, and cheaper to boot.
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I like my original M&P Pro. It's pretty much stock (I love the Apex plunger, but stuck with the S&W sear and springs). I shoot it in competition in production class and it is accurate and totally reliable.

Good trigger for a striker gun. Good sights, pretty much all around good out of the box

No comment on carry.
 
So i went to the show today. Fondled a lot of stuff. I found i was fond of the hk vp9, the gen 5 glock 19, and the m&p 2.0 compact. The m&p feels really good in the hand, maybe a tad heavier than the glock but in a good balance kinda way. The gen 5 glock 19 is the first glock i have picked up in years that felt right in the hand. With the ameriglo sights it seemed awesome right from the jump. The hk was in a word odd. Looks awkward, has a funky mag release, but fit the hand very well. I did not see any of the poly cz's so i will search for one of those before i make a final decision.
 
I like my original M&P Pro. It's pretty much stock (I love the Apex plunger, but stuck with the S&W sear and springs). I shoot it in competition in production class and it is accurate and totally reliable.

Good trigger for a striker gun. Good sights, pretty much all around good out of the box

No comment on carry.

I absolutely love my 5in pro series CORE. It has a amazing trigger and it’s the gun I now spend most of my time with at the range.
 
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