Powder coating bullets

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This is how I PC my bullets, the method you use may be totally different and give you the results you like and that what matters in the end.

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Convention toaster oven for curing your bullets.

I prefer the convection oven because it heats more evenly. You can pick one up at a resale store on the cheap or just buy a new one for around $30 to $40 depending on what you like. ONLY use the oven for curing powder coated bullets or heat treating bullets from that point on NEVER use it to cook food in afterwards. If the oven is not digital and controlled by an internal PID get yourself an oven baking thermometer (WallyWorld for $7) to set your temperature dial as close as possible, most toaster ovens heat much hotter than the dial indicates. Set your oven to keep a constant temperature at around 400 degrees, if the temp runs +/- 25 degrees it wants hurt anything you just don't want it to get to high or two cool.
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Plastic container for tumbling bullets in.

You will need a one or more #5 plastic containers and lids depending on if you want to do more than one color, screw on types are the best but snap on lid types like I use work fine to. I use these two types of #5 container I recycle from home along with multi color plastic pony beads I get at WallyWorld for $1.50 per pack, they are large enough that they want get stuck in my big 45 ACP HP's. The combination has worked well for me to generate lots of static electricity to attract the powder to the bullets. One thing of note is that LOW HUMIDITY is your friend as it will make generating static electricity easy, I like it to be 40% or lower. At times I've had to coat in the house and take them out to my reloading shed to cure.

#5 container from local restaurants.
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Great Value Yogurt container.
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Pony Beads.
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In the small container I place enough beads to fill the bottom about 1" deep, in the larger container I add enough to fill it between 1" an 2" but no more than that. I add about 1/2 TSP of powder to the container with the beads and shake it up for about 30 sec. notice how it already starts to stick to the beads and sides of the container. I always start out with 1/2 TSP if you need to add more powder to get the desired coat only add another 1/4 TSP to the mix as too much powders will clump on the bullets and you will have to tap it off before placing them on the baking tray. It's easy to add a little more powder to get a fine coating than having too much to start with. Some use no beads at all and get excellent results as well, I just like using the beads.
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Next I add the bullets. Make sure they are clean of any dirt, oil or lube or any contaminates that might be on your hands as the powder will not stick. I like to wash mine in 100% Acetone and wear nitrile groves when handling bullets I plan on coating. I generally add around 50 to 75 bullets to the container depending on caliber and weight close the lid and shake in all directions for around 30 seconds. I used black air soft BB's that I had with the clear powder coat and they work great with clear, not so much with some other colors I've used but the pony beads will work with all colors.
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After about 30 seconds of shaking I tap the lid to knock any powder off the inside and look at my bullets to see how they are coated. If they pass my inspection they should look like this or the ones in the white clear coat above.
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Next I take my baking sheet and line it with a piece of Reynolds Non-Stick aluminum foil, non-stick side up, there are cheaper brands of that type foil but I think the Reynolds works best and I get around 7 to 10 uses out of a sheet before I toss it, other like silicone baking mats but powder residue tends to build up over time on those so I just use the foil. I take a pair of long tweezers and place all my bullets base first onto the foil, it takes some time to do it this way but I can easily have the next tray of bullets ready to cure by the time the first batch is done. Many just dump the bullets into a screens tray,shake off the excess powder and dump them on the foil and bake, but I like the results I get standing them up individually and the powder flow and migrates evenly with no lumps or flat spots. Then I pop them in a 400 degree preheated oven for 20 min.
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Powders I like to use.

Smokes Yellow / Green, Super Durable Clear or Carolina or Signal Blue are all excellent powders to coat with. Smoke will sell you a pound of powder divided into 3 1/3rd lb. of any of his colors if you like but these are the colors I like and that have worked for me the best with no fuss.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?241259-Hi-quality-Powder-for-DT-or-Spraying-bullets

Eastwood powders I like.

https://www.eastwood.com/hotcoat-powder-lime-green.html

https://www.eastwood.com/hotcoat-powder-ford-light-blue.html

https://www.eastwood.com/hotcoat-powder-maroon.html

https://www.eastwood.com/hotcoat-powder-medium-green.html


A few notes on cast bullet air cooled or quenched from the mold and how the curing process will anneal the cast lead bullets using an alloy that responds to water quenching or heat treating.

1. If you air cool your bullets when cast then PC them an allow them to air cool again the second time there is no change in the as cast BHN of the bullet.

2. If you air cool your bullets when cast then PC them and quench them right out of the toaster oven they will gain a hardness of about 75% over the as cast BHN.

3. If you quench your bullets out of the mold to begin with then PC them and allow them to air cool they will soften around 50% from the original first quenching BHN.

4. If you quench your bullets out of the mold to begin with then PC them and quench them right out of the toaster oven a second time you only loose around 15% hardness from the first quenching.


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I stopped fooling with the beads/bb's. But a good powder is most important.
I know many don't use the BB's and they probably really aren't needed honestly. I tend to get better results using them as they kinda act as a buffer between the bullets. Some of the powders I use cover very well and migrate to fill in any spots not coated well, but I've noticed some powders don't and scratch the coating and leave spots here and there. I guess I'm to picky.
 
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I’ve been casting since ‘77 and powder coating since ‘91 and have found the simplest way to powder coat and cure bullets. I cast then drop from the mold into a bucket of cold water. I later spread em on a black plastic tray to sun dry. I then toss em in a plastic bowl (covered tightly) with quality powder coat and shake the snot out of then for 2-3 minutes. I place them on a baking sheet base down and bake in the toaster oven for 15 minutes at 250 degrees. Let cool then load.
Despite what some folks claim, high temps for coating bullets isn’t necessary. Remember you’re coating a bullet for a very fast trip down a gun barrel. It doesn’t require the same treatment you’d give your truck frame to withstand 20 years of road travel.
I’ve never experienced any I’ll effects using this procedure.
I’m not knocking anyone that doesn’t agree with my process but. Have my opinion based on experience, and others have their opinions as well.
 
I’ve been casting since ‘77 and powder coating since ‘91 and have found the simplest way to powder coat and cure bullets. I cast then drop from the mold into a bucket of cold water. I later spread em on a black plastic tray to sun dry. I then toss em in a plastic bowl (covered tightly) with quality powder coat and shake the snot out of then for 2-3 minutes. I place them on a baking sheet base down and bake in the toaster oven for 15 minutes at 250 degrees. Let cool then load.
Despite what some folks claim, high temps for coating bullets isn’t necessary. Remember you’re coating a bullet for a very fast trip down a gun barrel. It doesn’t require the same treatment you’d give your truck frame to withstand 20 years of road travel.
I’ve never experienced any I’ll effects using this procedure.
I’m not knocking anyone that doesn’t agree with my process but. Have my opinion based on experience, and others have their opinions as well.
Ive looked into coating my own several times and I can’t make the math work unless you get free lead and don’t value your time. Am I missing something? Lead I’ve seen in my area when it’s for sale runs about $2/lb and assuming its ready to cast, your cost per bullet will run .03-.07 based on 115gr-230gr. You can buy bullets already Coated from .06-.11 depending on quantity purchased and shipping. Is it worth coating your own to save .03-.04 a round? I’m not knocking anyone that is doing their own coating and I get the satisfaction of doing your own, but it seems very time consuming, messy and I’m sure there is some waste. If I’m missing something, please set me straight.
 
Ive looked into coating my own several times and I can’t make the math work unless you get free lead and don’t value your time. Am I missing something? Lead I’ve seen in my area when it’s for sale runs about $2/lb and assuming its ready to cast, your cost per bullet will run .03-.07 based on 115gr-230gr. You can buy bullets already Coated from .06-.11 depending on quantity purchased and shipping. Is it worth coating your own to save .03-.04 a round? I’m not knocking anyone that is doing their own coating and I get the satisfaction of doing your own, but it seems very time consuming, messy and I’m sure there is some waste. If I’m missing something, please set me straight.

IMHO, unless you’re shooting several thousand rounds per year, the .03 savings isn’t worth it. $30.00 saved per thousand wouldn’t be “worth it” to me until at least 5-6 thousand boolits. I know several guys who will sift through range berms for lead and scavenge lead from tire shops for a couple years, then forge and mold, and then cast many thousands over a week or so. Starkherz199 calls his event “castageddon”. That is definitely the way to do it….


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Ive looked into coating my own several times and I can’t make the math work unless you get free lead and don’t value your time. Am I missing something? Lead I’ve seen in my area when it’s for sale runs about $2/lb and assuming its ready to cast, your cost per bullet will run .03-.07 based on 115gr-230gr. You can buy bullets already Coated from .06-.11 depending on quantity purchased and shipping. Is it worth coating your own to save .03-.04 a round? I’m not knocking anyone that is doing their own coating and I get the satisfaction of doing your own, but it seems very time consuming, messy and I’m sure there is some waste. If I’m missing something, please set me straight.
I don’t think the match works on 9mm burner ammo , but pick projectiles for 45-70 , 44 mag or 357 mag it may add up different - I honestly haven’t ran the numbers yet - but I got a lead pot as a gift. I am now researching cast options

For cost factors , ALOX would probably be best , but that stuff is kinda nasty
 
I learned how to cast just so I would have bullets when I needed them. It’s like a lot of things I get involved in. I like to see how much I can do myself, just in case I need that skill set.

Exactly the same here. It's nice to know I can do it when/if I need to.
 
I also get my wheel weights for free. I got into casting my own fishing weights as well. That’s definitely a money saver.
 
I check the local tire shops and usually I can buy a 5 gallon bucket of wheel weights for around 15 bucks. With all else being equal, the 1000 Berry's plated bullets on the right cost me $188.00 more to load than the 1000 cast powdercoated bullets on the left

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Your mileage may vary. 😉
 
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I check the local tire shops and usually I can buy a 5 gallon bucket of wheel weights for around 15 bucks. With all else being equal, the 1000 Berry's plated bullets on the right cost me $188.00 more to load than the 1000 cast powdercoated bullets on the left

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Your mileage may vary. 😉
Not doubting your numbers, but you must be figuring your coated bullet cost at about zero. Coated 45 230ball bullets run around $200 delivered, but no matter, I was just trying to compare cost of buying coated lead versus coating your own. Only way it comes close to making sense is to have a source for free lead. Free buckets of wheel weights makes sense. Digging in berms to save a few cents a round doesn’t. At least to me. When I first started shooting, casting 38 wadcutters was the only way I could afford to shoot. We had 4 guys, all the free wheel weights we could haul and free military range brass. We would gather, drink beer and cast until we had at least a five gallon bucket of bullets. Then we would have 2 guys sizing and lubing and 2 guys loading. Only cost we had was primers and powder. One of the guys got us some sort of wax stuff we used to lube with that worked great. Primers back then we’re about a penny each and I think a lb of Bullseye was $7-10 maybe less. Cost was about .02/round. We probably spent more on beer than bullets!
 
Not doubting your numbers, but you must be figuring your coated bullet cost at about zero. Coated 45 230ball bullets run around $200 delivered, but no matter, I was just trying to compare cost of buying coated lead versus coating your own. Only way it comes close to making sense is to have a source for free lead. Free buckets of wheel weights makes sense. Digging in berms to save a few cents a round doesn’t. At least to me. When I first started shooting, casting 38 wadcutters was the only way I could afford to shoot. We had 4 guys, all the free wheel weights we could haul and free military range brass. We would gather, drink beer and cast until we had at least a five gallon bucket of bullets. Then we would have 2 guys sizing and lubing and 2 guys loading. Only cost we had was primers and powder. One of the guys got us some sort of wax stuff we used to lube with that worked great. Primers back then we’re about a penny each and I think a lb of Bullseye was $7-10 maybe less. Cost was about .02/round. We probably spent more on beer than bullets!
I figure my lead costs me about 10 cents per pound so that puts my cast bullets at around 3 cents each. After you figure in lp gas for melting, electricity for the melting pot etc, etc, it may not be a great savings but it is more of a hobby for me than a money savings avenue.
I agree, digging a berm for free lead wouldn't make sense at all for money savings.
 
I figure my lead costs me about 10 cents per pound so that puts my cast bullets at around 3 cents each. After you figure in lp gas for melting, electricity for the melting pot etc, etc, it may not be a great savings but it is more of a hobby for me than a money savings avenue.
I agree, digging a berm for free lead wouldn't make sense at all for money savings.
I enjoy reloading more than most and would load my own even if it was A break even deal. I enjoy experimenting and it’s a good way to unwind. I can load for ten minutes or several hours depending on my time available, so I get the hobby part. From my past casting days, it’s a lot more work and the prep time almost mandates having time to cast a bunch at a time. Then it gets like work.
 
I've been casting for a few decades myself. I also learned to powder coat myself. When I learned how to do that,, I quit using the "normal" lube process. Less messy, easy to do, cleaner to shoot, and in most calibers,, a little bit faster velocity, and a touch more accurate. Instead of shaking the container myself,, I use a vibrating tumbler. A good quality powder, a cheap toaster oven, and a LOT less time involved in coating vs. lubing.

As for cost savings.

Free wheel weights is EXCELLENT,, and not often easily found. But beware,, sadly,, lead WW's are getting harder & harder to find. There is zinc, steel & other crap in most scrapped buckets of WW's. Requires sorting.
Mining a berm for lead,, is a bit of work,, and can be an excellent source for a lot of lead. Again,, extra work,, but depending upon your mining methods,, it can be a good way to get lead.

Scrap yards often can have lead for sale,, and locally I don't pay more than $1 per pound when I buy there.

For the casual shooter,, and someone who has the extra money,, or feels their time is worth more,, then casting isn't usually attractive. Unless the whole process of making your own is as much fun as shooting.

For me,, casting is also about getting a bullet design & weight that I prefer over any factory offering. Plus,, in times of shortages,, or stupid high prices,, I'm still capable of making my own. Throw in the fact that if you can't make it yourself,, you are at the mercy of a supplier. Shortages,, shipping issues,, etc can suddenly put you w/o a needed bullet.
Once,, I found I'd sized a cast bullet wrong,, loaded a bunch, in prep for an elk hunt. With just a few days before I was to leave,, I was able to cast several hundred, powder coat & load plenty enough for my hunting trip. If I had had to try & order some,, I would NOT have had the time to get them in, and load them.

Plus,, I shoot a LOT when compared to many folks. USPSA competition, and handgun hunting can make me burn through a fair quantity of ammo. Just for that Elk hunt,, I practiced daily for months, and when the hunt arrived,, I had expended well over 3000 rounds of my cast, powder coated & handloaded .45 cal hunting bullets. Yes,, I was using a handgun. And that 3000+ rounds were just a PART of the ammo I expended in those few months.
But I get a lot of satisfaction in making my own stuff. Knowing I can do it & not be at the mercy of someone else unless it's something I just can't make. (primers & smokeless powder for example.)
But as far as monetary savings,, even if I save .05 cents per round fired,, when you shoot 10,000 rounds,, that's a savings of $500. And yes,, I could easily make $500 on a few jobs. But knowing I made the bullet,, and I loaded the ammo, and I put together the exact stuff I wanted,, to me,, is worth a LOT.

Powder coating,, (getting back on track here,) is an excellent method of coating the lead slugs vs traditional lubing in my humble opinion. If nothing else,, between the less messy method,,and the much lower smoke (lube burning,) when shooting is well worth it.
 
I probably shoot a bit more than the average gun owner and I probably reload more ammo than the average reloader. I have been doing both for over 50 years and probably haven’t bought more then 500 rounds of factory center fire ammo over those fifty years. I’ve traded, bartered, been gifted, & probably stole factory ammo but the majority I’ve used has been reloaded by my own two hands. I started reloading because the first center fire rifle I owned was a hard to find caliber & when I did find it I couldn’t afford it. As a young man I found that my wallet was often empty and that made it difficult to purchase all the components to reload ammo. A buddy turned me on to casting and I became very proficient in locating free or damn near free lead sources. I hit all the local garages for free wheel weights & local plumbers for the lead for sealing drain pipes. Later in life I scrounged lead from any place I could. Sometimes I bought lead or Linotype from scrap dealers but usually my lead was free. Over the years friends gave me free lead and twice I’ve salvaged abandoned sail boats for the lead in the counter ballast.
I guess I’ve been lucky.
 
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