Acr vs scar

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im looking to buy a acr or scar 16 the acr has a way better price and a lot of the videos I have watched say acr is better then the scar. If u have either rifle please give feedback and if u don’t post feedback as well. Thanks wooooooooo
 
I would go scar. Never handled a acr but I have handled a scar and it was nice.


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The ACR was supposed to have multi caliber capability.... But then (as I understand it) the kits never came out and this was abandoned.


I can only speak of the SCAR-H(17)
It has a GARBAGE trigger. For what you are paying, it really sucks.
The charging handle is specifically designed to relieve you of your knuckle skin, and the hinges to the stock are failure prone.
Perhaps some of these issues have been addressed in newer models?
 
Just my 2 cents, but look at a Robinson XCR before deciding...I’ve had one since 2006 and my ARs are pissed! I use it in most 3 gun matches I shoot as well. It’s a tank and very reliable...best of the AR (better ergos with control placement) and the AK (internals similar). Quick change caliber kits as well...I have 556, 300BO, 762x39 and 6.8 kits. They also have the XCR-M as well now...308 with caliber kits. They’ve got a lot of other options now too in the XCR...keymod, mlock, various lengths/sizes, pistol versions, etc.

I’ve shot the SCAR and ACR but wouldn’t take one of both for my XCR and I love me some FN!

Drawback is Robinson is a small company (not a Remington or FN sized company) it support is there. Back in the early 2000s, the CS sucked because the owner, well I’ll just say, wasn’t a great businessman but was a great designer...that CS issue apparently has turned around over the last 4 or 5 years though.
 
Just my 2 cents, but look at a Robinson XCR before deciding...I’ve had one since 2006 and my ARs are pissed! I use it in most 3 gun matches I shoot as well. It’s a tank and very reliable...best of the AR (better ergos with control placement) and the AK (internals similar). Quick change caliber kits as well...I have 556, 300BO, 762x39 and 6.8 kits. They also have the XCR-M as well now...308 with caliber kits. They’ve got a lot of other options now too in the XCR...keymod, mlock, various lengths/sizes, pistol versions, etc.

I’ve shot the SCAR and ACR but wouldn’t take one of both for my XCR and I love me some FN!

Drawback is Robinson is a small company (not a Remington or FN sized company) it support is there. Back in the early 2000s, the CS sucked because the owner, well I’ll just say, wasn’t a great businessman but was a great designer...that CS issue apparently has turned around over the last 4 or 5 years though.
The XCR has been on my radar for about 10-12 years now. Very interesting platform and really was the SCAR before the SCAR. However they are just as expensive as the SCAR. I haven't seen anything on them in the last 4-5 years and honestly, forgot they existed as well until this thread. I'd be interested in understanding the performance and total costs for multiple configurations.

Again, back to an AR15/AR10, you can build extra uppers or lowers easily and have a plethora of configurations.
 
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Look into Patriot Ordnance Factory Revolution
https://pof-usa.com/firearms/revolution/



Basically it’s an AR-10, shoots 308,
Match grade, piston, Fail Zero coated internals....
But ALL the parts are from an AR-15,
Including the bolt,
Which means less reciprocating mass=less recoil...
It truly is a genius weapon.
 
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Isn't a closer comparison to the SCAR be a piston AR? And how much does that go for?
Depends
You can get a cheap one around $800

A REAL one like POF, or LWRC will cost you a pretty penny~~ $2000 or so...

As I mentioned earlier
The POF Revolution,
An AR-10 (308) that is exactly the size of an AR-15, including the bolt, less reciprocal mass=less recoil, same weight as an AR15

So, when keeping with that old gunfighters maxim:
Bring a gun, and bring enough gun...
Everyone else brought an AR15, you brought a compact 308 and put them all to shame...
 
So had time behind a scar 17 this past weekend it is a nice firearm it’s light and would be great in close quarters and I even banged steel out to 500 yards with the acog on it. One thing I didn’t like was the trigger man it sucks it was right at 8lbs my psa ar10 has a better factory trigger. So now I need to test the acr more to come.
 
So had time behind a scar 17 this past weekend it is a nice firearm it’s light and would be great in close quarters and I even banged steel out to 500 yards with the acog on it. One thing I didn’t like was the trigger man it sucks it was right at 8lbs my psa ar10 has a better factory trigger. So now I need to test the acr more to come.
Yes, as I mentioned in my previous post, the trigger is GARBAGE.
Especially on a weapon that costs so much.
I did throw a Geissele Super SCAR trigger in it, which is a fantastic mod.
 
Well.......... having owned a fair number of the .308 semi auto's..... my vote would be for the Scar if reliability is chief among your concerns. If accuracy is of greatest importance, there are many options on the market that would easily accommodate. As mentioned earlier with the Scar, the triggers are definitely a downer. Spend the money on a good replacement. either way, just get out there and enjoy some range time. As a good friend told me once "Life is short,...... and shorter if you can't shoot".
 
I wanted a SCAR but really the price isn't where I want it to be and I don't see the advantage of it. I think a M14 would do me just as well.
 
Look into Patriot Ordnance Factory Revolution
https://pof-usa.com/firearms/revolution/



Basically it’s an AR-10, shoots 308,
Match grade, piston, Fail Zero coated internals....
But ALL the parts are from an AR-15,
Including the bolt,
Which means less reciprocating mass=less recoil...
It truly is a genius weapon.


How is the bolt the same when the ammunition is different sizes?
 
Honestly? Neither, I've shot both the SCAR and ACR in 5.56. I've also shot a Galil ACE and Bren 805 in 5.56. I'd take either of them over the SCAR or ACR any day. The Galil ACE in 7.62 is really nice if you looking for something in .30 cal.
 
How is the bolt the same when the ammunition is different sizes?

Sorry to hijack the thread OP...

Basically Frank DeSoma, owner of Patriot Ordnance Factory, is a genius...

Actually I think they just remanufacured a new bolt face.
It’s the exact same size...

Top 2 pics are of a POF Revolution (top/right) and an LWRC AR-15 (bottom/left)
Both have 14.5” bbl’s with pinned/welded brakes.

The BCG’s are from POF piston guns.
Top/clean is the Revolution
Bottom/dirty is the POF 415 AR-15




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So, as you can see,
The only real difference is the size of the mag well, and the ejection port, and that is MAYBE 1”-1.5”
 
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Sorry to hijack the thread OP...

Basically Frank DeSoma, owner of Patriot Ordnance Factory, is a genius...

Actually I think they just remanufacured a new bolt face.
It’s the exact same size...

Top 2 pics are of a POF Revolution (top/right) and an LWRC AR-15 (bottom/left)
Both have 14.5” bbl’s with pinned/welded brakes.

The BCG’s are from POF piston guns.
Top/clean is the Revolution
Bottom/dirty is the POF 415 AR-15




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So, as you can see,
The only real difference is the size of the mag well, and the ejection port, and that is MAYBE 1”-1.5”


The initial claim I questioned was the bolts being identical....I think it was phrased that all the parts were from an AR15.

The bolt face (top) is a clearly a different size to accommodate the larger round. The EXTERNAL dimensions may be the same but I guarantee the extractor spring is different as well

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These bolts are not interchangeable.
 
The initial claim I questioned was the bolts being identical....I think it was phrased that all the parts were from an AR15.

The bolt face (top) is a clearly a different size to accommodate the larger round. The EXTERNAL dimensions may be the same but I guarantee the extractor spring is different as well

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These bolts are not interchangeable.

Ok, yeah, there are minuscule differences,
But I do know POF started with an AR15 bolt and Rena chines the bolt face.
Now with production models, I’m sure it’s dofferent, but that’s how it started...
And,
I’m a dude who doesn’t own a micrometer...
They sure as heck looked the same when I was holding them both in my hand.
I wasn’t trying to pull a fast one...

Anyways,
The SCAR BCG is a weird square thing...
 
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I think the real magic trick POF pulled with this one is was to gain space for the magwell by pushing the grip and triggerguard back, not adding on length to the front of the receiver. Well played! That will change the ergonomics a bit, but I think I could get over it.
 
I am a huge SCAR fan, but wouldn’t want one in 5.56. The .308 is hard to beat, but you pay for that. The recoil is almost non-existent, they are accurate and, they are lighter than any other .308 I have ever held. They really like 155gr. Hornady ELDX factory ammo.
 
I am a huge SCAR fan, but wouldn’t want one in 5.56. The .308 is hard to beat, but you pay for that. The recoil is almost non-existent, they are accurate and, they are lighter than any other .308 I have ever held. They really like 155gr. Hornady ELDX factory ammo.

They are an excellent design.
I had one of the early ones, (SCAR-H/17) and I understand many of the issues have since been fixed.
That charging handle- I lost a lot of knuckle to it, before I replaced it with the GGG version
 
Yeah, if it gets you, it will only do it once..lol. I love the new non-reciprocating charging handle that is used on the SCAR PDW. However they aren’t available to the peasants yet. There was a company that made a NRcharger, but it was around $250-300, and is no longer made.
 
Yeah, if it gets you, it will only do it once..lol. I love the new non-reciprocating charging handle that is used on the SCAR PDW. However they aren’t available to the peasants yet. There was a company that made a NRcharger, but it was around $250-300, and is no longer made.
Was the company Hi Desert Dog?
They were an Aussie company’s out of Arizona (I think) that did crazy SCAR mods
 
Ok, yeah, there are minuscule differences,
But I do know POF started with an AR15 bolt and Rena chines the bolt face.
Now with production models, I’m sure it’s dofferent, but that’s how it started...
And,
I’m a dude who doesn’t own a micrometer...
They sure as heck looked the same when I was holding them both in my hand.
I wasn’t trying to pull a fast one...

Anyways,
The SCAR BCG is a weird square thing...

That’s not a minuscule difference. It’s either cross compatible or it’s not. You can’t take the bolt from one and use it in the other. I can see from the picture you took (in your hand) that they’re different. I’m not holding calipers to anything
 
That’s not a minuscule difference. It’s either cross compatible or it’s not. You can’t take the bolt from one and use it in the other. I can see from the picture you took (in your hand) that they’re different. I’m not holding calipers to anything

Again,
OP, sorry to hijack the thread...

Yes, the differences are MINUSCULE.
They (the differences) are Very Small, that’s what minuscule means.
The bolt carrier group is the same.
The bolt itself started out as an AR15 bolt, and was then remachined to work in the prototype versions.

Also, I never said it was cross compatible.
POF never claimed it was cross compatible.
Th whole point was to have an AR10 that was the same size, or very slightly larger than an AR15.

I think they accomplished said goal.


Now, back to the debate about SCAR v ACR
 
Again,
OP, sorry to hijack the thread...

Yes, the differences are MINUSCULE.
They (the differences) are Very Small, that’s what minuscule means.
The bolt carrier group is the same.
The bolt itself started out as an AR15 bolt, and was then remachined to work in the prototype versions.

Also, I never said it was cross compatible.
POF never claimed it was cross compatible.
Th whole point was to have an AR10 that was the same size, or very slightly larger than an AR15.

I think they accomplished said goal.


Now, back to the debate about SCAR v ACR

Getting childish with your definitions. I’m not the one who said “all the parts are from an AR15, including the bolt”. :rolleyes:

That would stand to reason they would be cross compatible if the bolt is “from an AR15”. But it’s clearly not based on the picture
 
Getting childish with your definitions. I’m not the one who said “all the parts are from an AR15, including the bolt”. :rolleyes:

That would stand to reason they would be cross compatible if the bolt is “from an AR15”. But it’s clearly not based on the picture


Sigh...
POF started out with an AR15 bolt.
They machined it out to fit and function in a 308.
Then, once they had a workable prototype, they went into production.
The bolt, BCG, upper receiver, lower receiver are significantly (opposite of minuscule) smaller than a standard AR10.

This thread is supposed to be about the differences between the FN SCAR and the ACR.
 
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Sigh...
POF started out with an AR15 bolt.
They machined it out to fit and function in a 308.
Then, once they had a workable prototype, they went into production.
The bolt, BCG, upper receiver, lower receiver are significantly (opposite of minuscule) smaller than a standard AR10.

This thread is supposed to be about the differences between the FN SCAR and the ACR.
@Spartan01 I for one would be very interested if you would start a thread on your POF revolution. I had not heard of this particular rifle but your description definitely has me very very interested.
 
Neither, ill second Galil ACE for 308 vs Scar, in fact you could buy 2 of them currently vs the Scar and the stock wont break off of it if you drop it and the magwell doesn't crack etc etc. Scar 17 is absolutely the most overblown call of duty rifle ever devised in my opinion, not knocking anyone that likes them just my ragged opinion. IF Beretta will ever get off their ass and get this thing to the US market like rumored I'll bet it kicks the Scar right in its Belgium Vagina



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