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No, and I never said new, but you can get a trade in GLOCK for that. There are also plenty of other options when you get to that price point. A used XD or M&P could be had for that as well. Then there are the some decent quality little guns around there as well...
I'm not disagreeing... just playing devils advocate.
 
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Where does it say you can get a glock for $300?

Shit, $100 more than a hipoint will get you a way better gun. A m&p shield, any taurus, s&w SD9VE.. Theres no excuse to buy a hipoint because "you cant afford better"

Save $100 more and go to a pawn shop and pick almost any semi auto pistol for $250. It'll be an upgrade.
If it works properly since it has no warranty and most pawn shops do not check anything mechanical. And if u havent checked into pawn shops lately most will be close to new retail for a used handgun unles it is obviously beat to hell.
 
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I'd have to check out their ground clearance. And can they tow anything? If I went tiny hatchback style I'd need a trailer around to haul things. If all goes well there will be a few projects at the mountain place this Spring and Summer. Landscaping is happening this year and when that's done I want to build a firepit that could double as a pig cooker up near the house, my current firepit is about 75 yards down the hill. That cooker/pit will have to have its own thread. Maybe I'll host a Pig Cooker Raising with booze and food for laborers.
If I remember correctly the stock ground clearance is eight inches. They claim it’s mathematically the best all around standard for most applications.
 
And to get back to the original question...any product owner who wants to argue about how theirs is "just as good" has closed their mind to seeing differently regardless of the topic of discussion.


True, but there's a point of diminishing returns that you hit pretty quickly with most things...
 
You should get them one in case the need to beat a crazed hippie off the bumper.
My son-in-law does have a P320 but I wouldn't recommend using that, I'd hate for it to go off and shoot himself or my pregnant daughter. Haha. Maybe he could use his G17.
 
Perhaps but there is a world's difference between "what I have fits me best" and "what I have fits everyone the best".

Perhaps, but I doubt there is a single person out there who's best fit is a Hipoint either. While it may serve you on a basic level, a quality $500($300ish used) pistol that suits you is about the high mark for pistols in real life applicable measurements. You can spend more of course and get a nicer finished/prettier/tigher what have you pistol but functionally beyond that point, it's minutiae...

That was my point...
 
Perhaps, but I doubt there is a single person out there who's best fit is a Hipoint either. While it may serve you on a basic level, a quality $500($300ish used) pistol that suits you is about the high mark for pistols in real life applicable measurements. You can spend more of course and get a nicer finished/prettier/tigher what have you pistol but functionally beyond that point, it's minutiae...

That was my point...
Ah I did not see that as your point..my mistake there.
 
Wife and daughter both own Subaru’s and I did for 10 years. Never owned a high point but if that’s all you can afford I won’t judge you because of it. As to being a subie owner I will say they are good cars and I will put my wife’s forester up against almost any other vehicle in snow with me behind the wheel. The guy in the exterra sure was happy as I pulled his truck out of the ditch.
 
If I didn't care about price I'd drive the 2019 3.6R outback in a heartbeat. We had a outback the first year the new body style came out and it was a dang tank.

Yep I thpught it would be a cool option, then I saw the numbers. But by the time I am ready there may be deals to be had.
 
The point is not that Subaru is a bad choice. It's just the attitude that a lot of their owners have is the issue.
If you are subjected to a rude driver in for example Asheville, the majority of the time they are driving a Subaru, if they can't park in just one spot, the majority of the time it is someone in a Subaru. If the owner covers the rear of their vehicle with liberal, tree hugging stickers chances are they own a Subaru.
Not all Subaru owners fit this stereotype, but just observe for a while and you will get the point.
 
Most of the Subaru drivers that I know (that also own guns) tend to have glocks or other European guns. To date, I've not met someone who was passionate about hi points in person.

A hi point is like tools from walmart. Not the greatest, but they'll get the job done. Most honest reviews I've read on hi points say they work, even if they're clunky and awkward.

I've never owned a Subaru, but I've got many friends who do, and they love them. I don't get their cult following (especially impreza bros). The only real negative I've heard about them is they seem to have a short lifespan. Most folks I know who've owned one try to get out of them around 100K miles, or end up replacing the head gaskets around 130-150k. I can't imagine a modern car having such a short lifespan on the engine before needing such serious work. I see it as a big design flaw.
 
We all tend to rationalize our choices:
"My hi-point does everything your Glock can do"
"My Glock is a tool, I don't need it to be pretty"
"7+1 rounds of 45 ACP, just like God and JMB intended"

We also like to make up reasons we were right all along when our choices turn bad:
"it must have been bad ammo, it never did that before"
"If you can't solve the problem with 8 shots then more wouldn't have mattered"
"My Glock is a tool, I don't need it to be pretty"
 
Most of the Subaru drivers that I know (that also own guns) tend to have glocks or other European guns. To date, I've not met someone who was passionate about hi points in person.

A hi point is like tools from walmart. Not the greatest, but they'll get the job done. Most honest reviews I've read on hi points say they work, even if they're clunky and awkward.

I've never owned a Subaru, but I've got many friends who do, and they love them. I don't get their cult following (especially impreza bros). The only real negative I've heard about them is they seem to have a short lifespan. Most folks I know who've owned one try to get out of them around 100K miles, or end up replacing the head gaskets around 130-150k. I can't imagine a modern car having such a short lifespan on the engine before needing such serious work. I see it as a big design flaw.

Good to know. I have some CZ’s so I guess I am allowed to buy a Subaru in the future.
 
Right..because subaru is the only car brand that inspires owner loyalty?!?
It’s one of the very few to inspire a cult like following. It’s worse than the truck guys that scream for Ford or Dodge.
 
It’s one of the very few to inspire a cult like following. It’s worse than the truck guys that scream for Ford or Dodge.
That is true...and in fairness most subaru owners can state on some level why they are so devoted..but there are always a few...

So to alter your original statement...would subaru owners be more like kel tec fans?
Their primary goal has been innovation sometimes at the expense of what other producers see as basics?
 
So much saltiness in this thread.
 
That is true...and in fairness most subaru owners can state on some level why they are so devoted..but there are always a few...

So to alter your original statement...would subaru owners be more like kel tec fans?
Their primary goal has been innovation sometimes at the expense of what other producers see as basics?
I’ve never known many Kel-Tec owners to brag as much as the Hi Point guys. Which was the point of the comparison. It’s not an actual comparison of the products which is the point that a lot of posts in response seem to keep missing.
 
It's not salty it's the truth. A few freaking hippies and lgbqtefg types like a car and they are cultish. Honda Civic fanboys are far worse, same with Ford,Chevy dodge trucks.

Don't even start with the Mustang v Camaro crowd.
 
I’ve never known many Kel-Tec owners to brag as much as the Hi Point guys. Which was the point of the comparison. It’s not an actual comparison of the products which is the point that a lot of posts in response seem to keep missing.

Fair enough. Honestly I have heard more people say "just get you a glock" more times than any other handgun..and it always makes me chuckle because it usually leads into the convo about how I'm doing something wrong because i say they dont fit my needs.
 
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Fair enough. Honestly I have heard more people say "just get you a glock" more times than any other handgun..and it always makes me chuckle because it usually leads into the convo about how I'm doing something wrong because i say they dont fit my needs.
Again, not necessarily the same as I put in some other posts. I know what you’re saying though.
 
Again, not necessarily the same as I put in some other posts. I know what you’re saying though.
I have to say I haven't come across the super devoted hi point fan..but then again I dont get out much.

But I still would not entirely agree with the subaru comparison... but I understand it is hard to understand the devotion they have gathered in what is essentially a mid priced product line. We often easily accept devotion to high end products but low end product devotion is borne more out of an amplified need for justification or just plain old pride.
 
It's not salty it's the truth. A few freaking hippies and lgbqtefg types like a car and they are cultish. Honda Civic fanboys are far worse, same with Ford,Chevy dodge trucks.
It’s just funny because the subie owners I know get defensive like you are. They get much more defensive than any other group. Just like Hi Point owners. No one says they aren’t good products for what you get. I think the stigma that goes with Subarus as well as the high price tag makes people somewhat defensive when made fun of or questioned about it. This thread turned into Subaru owners trying to protect their brand instead of even trying to understand the comparison.
 
I have to say I haven't come across the super devoted hi point fan..but then again I dont get out much.

But I still would not entirely agree with the subaru comparison... but I understand it is hard to understand the devotion they have gathered in what is essentially a mid priced product line. We often easily accept devotion to high end products but low end product devotion is borne more out of an amplified need for justification or just plain old pride.
The prices I see for Subaru wouldn’t make me claim they are mid priced.
 
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