Benchmade Knife Company destroying firearms.

JimB said:
I admit that it’s a stretch, but my point is that Benchmade is just the tool, they didn’t make the decision that the guns be destroyed. That they chose to be the tool was stupid for what are now obvious reasons, but the fact is that if they had refused, the guns would still have been destroyed.

Think about it like this. The court orders the guns destroyed and the police approach Benchmade. A smart Benchmade would have said “no thanks” and in response to the question “why not?” they would have correctly reasoned that a vocal portion of their potential customer base would view it as being anti 2a or supporting folks that are anti 2a. That wouldn’t have been the end of it, the police would have maybe gone and bought a grinder and chopped them up. So in the end the only difference is that Benchmade did the chopping, and to this action we ascribe anti 2a intention where there is no evidence that this was intended. Again, we are destroying a company over pointless outrage...a classic move from the far left’s playbook.

So Benchmade is stupid, but other than some minor campaign contributions I see no evidence that they are anti 2a.
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Benchmade doing the chopping is the entire argument. Yes, someone, somewhere would have chopped these guns. Benchmade chose to be the tool, (edit: when approached) . They chose it. Them.

Imagine the responses if Benchmade announced that they were approached to chop up some guns, but they refused because of their principles. The guns would still be chopped, but guess what? Benchmade sales would probably experience an uptick.

Who buys their knives, mostly? Yep. That crowd.
 
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I own one but pretty sure I will never purchase another. Good on them, they got my money once but lost me as a repeat customer.
 
HMP said:
I'll ask again - how will the gun community treat vendors (not necessarily here, but in general) who still sell their products, is that supporting an 'anti-2a' company by continuing to sell their wares?
Will you refuse to buy from a vendor who sells their items?
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No I will not refuse to do business with the vendor - that would be petty - but I will probably not choose Benchmade.
 
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kcult said:
Benchmade doing the chopping is the entire argument. Yes, someone, somewhere would have chopped these guns. Benchmade chose to be the tool, (edit: when approached) . They chose it. Them.

Imagine the responses if Benchmade announced that they were approached to chop up some guns, but they refused because of their principles. The guns would still be chopped, but guess what? Benchmade sales would probably experience an uptick.

Who buys their knives, mostly? Yep. That crowd.
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Agree completely, that’s the “they are stupid” position, and it is well founded.

The argument that they are anti 2a is not.
 
JimB said:
Agree completely, that’s the “they are stupid” position, and it is well founded.

The argument that they are anti 2a is not.
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They let the police come in and chop up confiscated guns in their shop. Of course that's anti-2A. Guns are just tools, and there is no reason to destroy (safe) guns except for political anti-2A reasons. They didn't do it accidentally. A bunch of people there must have known ahead of time, and seen it happening, and it wasn't stopped.
 
JimP42 said:
there is no reason to destroy (safe) guns except for political anti-2A reasons.
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Simply not true. We don’t know, but they could have a big contract for knives and maintenance with the local police dept, or they could just be paid for scrapping the guns. It was almost certainly an economic decision and not a political one.
 
Where did the police cut up previous guns? There had to be a time or two before this.
Have the police showed pictures and made statements of where this action was done previously?
This time, The intent of the Democrat liberal Police dept. wanted to show how bad guns are punished...

Somebody wanted to make this time a spectacle, and boy did they...
 
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Ferrisfan said:
If firearms were submitted to the police, and the rightful owners said “please destroy these” then I have no problems with firearms being destroyed.

If firearms were destroyed rather than being returned to their rightful owners, then I have a huge problem with it.

I firearms could have been sold to lessen taxpayer burden for funding the department, big problem.

If the police have an SOP for how things should be destroyed, then they should have the tools and facilities to do so.

If you are going to share the destruction of firearms on social media, you should at least drop them in one of those giant grinder thingies.
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Please bear in mind how much of a leftist state Oregon is. The chance of them selling firearms back to the public ranks right up there with me being elected pope.
 
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Please bear in mind how much of a leftist state Oregon is. The chance of them selling firearms back to the public ranks right up there with me being elected pope.
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Then they say, “ These were firearms that were offered for sale to lessen the burden on taxpayers but had no buyers”.
 
JimB said:
I admit that it’s a stretch, but my point is that Benchmade is just the tool, they didn’t make the decision that the guns be destroyed. That they chose to be the tool was stupid for what are now obvious reasons, but the fact is that if they had refused, the guns would still have been destroyed.

Think about it like this. The court orders the guns destroyed and the police approach Benchmade. A smart Benchmade would have said “no thanks” and in response to the question “why not?” they would have correctly reasoned that a vocal portion of their potential customer base would view it as being anti 2a or supporting folks that are anti 2a. That wouldn’t have been the end of it, the police would have maybe gone and bought a grinder and chopped them up. So in the end the only difference is that Benchmade did the chopping, and to this action we ascribe anti 2a intention where there is no evidence that this was intended. Again, we are destroying a company over pointless outrage...a classic move from the far left’s playbook.

So Benchmade is stupid, but other than some minor campaign contributions I see no evidence that they are anti 2a.
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100% of their $33,000 in political donations for nearly a decade went to the most virulent anti gun democrats in Oregon, not including Les de Asis' personal contributions which also went to Democrats (looked that up for myself), and you wipe it aside as "minor campaign contributions". That's very generous of you.

For me the cutting is nothing compared to the donations. 0% to any pro gun, pro freedom, pro America politicians and then a scripted video filed with jump cuts saying nothing but "we're great" repeatedly. I'm a big tent guy but the total non apology apology has me thinking they deserve the rejection.

Was actually planning to buy my daughter a blue Benchmade Bugout for HS graduation. Not anymore. That said I'm not planning to cut up my classic AFCK either.
 
Benchmade has always come across to me as a BBQ knife. Now I like me a BBQ gun rig, but I have no use for a bbq knife.
I can't afford a pretty knife that sees occasional use under controlled conditions. I use my knife everyday and I beat the hell out of it.
This is from yesterday, after I used it to cut sheetrock.
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I have 2 basic Benchmade folders. They don’t get abused but have cut rolls for sandwiches, rope, vines, bags, boxes and whatever else they were need for. Think I widdled some sticks for marshmellows a time or two as well. Got good deals on both so didn’t spend over $100 on either one. But there are lots of alternatives. It will be very easy to replace them with another brand. I’m sure Bemchmade will discover that in the coming months and years.
 
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Benchmade has always come across to me as a BBQ knife. Now I like me a BBQ gun rig, but I have no use for a bbq knife.
I can't afford a pretty knife that sees occasional use under controlled conditions. I use my knife everyday and I beat the hell out of it.
This is from yesterday, after I used it to cut sheetrock.
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I think there’s a difference. You CAN afford one if you can afford guns. It just isn’t a priority for you to have pretty accessories lol. Myself either. I just received a really nice Benchmade and as much as I appreciate it...I was likely going to toss it up for equal value trade. Now I’d be lucky to get a flaming pile of poo in trade. ‍♂️
 
HMP said:
I'll ask again - how will the gun community treat vendors (not necessarily here, but in general) who still sell their products, is that supporting an 'anti-2a' company by continuing to sell their wares?
Will you refuse to buy from a vendor who sells their items?
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Not me, I will feel bad they invested in inventory that collects dust.
 
Slosolo2 said:
100% of their $33,000 in political donations for nearly a decade went to the most virulent anti gun democrats in Oregon, not including Les de Asis' personal contributions which also went to Democrats (looked that up for myself), and you wipe it aside as "minor campaign contributions". That's very generous of you.

For me the cutting is nothing compared to the donations. 0% to any pro gun, pro freedom, pro America politicians and then a scripted video filed with jump cuts saying nothing but "we're great" repeatedly. I'm a big tent guy but the total non apology apology has me thinking they deserve the rejection.

Was actually planning to buy my daughter a blue Benchmade Bugout for HS graduation. Not anymore. That said I'm not planning to cut up my classic AFCK either.
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They are a manufacturor in a Democrat stronghold, they should leave, but if that is unpalatable for some reason then they are stuck playing the game. They’ve said that the donations are for local races and I haven’t looked at the candidates to determine that they are the most virulent anti gun democrats in Oregon. But $3,300 per year is chump change that they pay simply to be on the list if they need to call their representative. I spend my days getting things done through various legislatures, and give about $10k per month per state, you can believe me when I say that their support is token and not because they support the positions of the candidates.

I am bothered by their apparent failure to support any pro 2a candidates at the federal level. They can of course support whomever they wish, and maybe it isn’t so crazy to think that a knife company would greatly benefit from strict gun restrictions, but I don’t think they are that smart...I actually think they never even thought about how it would look if someone bothered to pull the sheets back.

You are spot on about their subsequent actions, they needed to get control of this and they failed to do so. We’ll see if it kills them. I hate to see any small American company fail, but this has certainly been the corporate version of a Darwin Award winner.
 
My understanding is they only moved to OR years ago so they could keep making their "butterfly" knives, balisong I think. If that is correct, are there not other states where that is legal also?
 
When Les de Asis' company's sales fall by 50%, let's see him try to peddle some bullshit. If you're a good citizen, both private and corporate in Oregon you are pandering to the left wing of the US.
 
Their real strength has been their collaboration with good designers. Then they manufacture them. If the designers bail, they're in trouble.
 
It’s true though they didn’t chop em to destroy they did chop em down so they could be shipped for destruction. To me that’s the same thing and I just bought a bench made :( it was from a forum member so at least they didn’t get the $
 
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Scari said:
It’s true though they didn’t chop em to destroy they did chop em down so they could be shipped for destruction. To me that’s the same thing and I just bought a bench made :( it was from a forum member so at least they didn’t get the $
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I wonder how they were shipped when new?
 
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As I mentioned in another thread, I'll likely hold on to and continue to use my existing higher end Benchmade's, as I think they're more about the designer than the manufacturer. But, I won't buy anymore. Their response has been lukewarm and unconvincing, even condescending.
 
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