NC may get constitutional carry

Am I the only one who finds several blatantly stupid errors regarding lawful carry in that article?
 
Wait you can not carry where alcohol is served?? What tonight that had been changed but the News and Disturber said it so it must be fact!!!


Yeah I agree a very poorly written F you shot fired over the bow. They can't stand the fact Roy Cooper and the left don't want us to have guns and they can't really stop it if it happens.
 
An N&O article... even more reason to ramp up a letter writing campaign, you know the opposition will be...
 
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I have mixed feelings about this. While I firmly believe in "shall not be abridged", I'm kinda happy that concealed carrying at least requires a modicum of training. The thought of a buncha armed yahoos running around with no training gives me the willies. It would make people more polite though! Mixed feelings.
 
I think she needs to be introduced to HB 562 from the 2015 NCGA session ...
 
Red Marley;n86943 said:
I have mixed feelings about this. While I firmly believe in "shall not be abridged", I'm kinda happy that concealed carrying at least requires a modicum of training. The thought of a buncha armed yahoos running around with no training gives me the willies. It would make people more polite though! Mixed feelings.
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Did you mean "infringed"?
 
BudE;n86956 said:
I don't think so. Too many people from up north moving down here. This is turning into a blue state. Worst thing that ever happened to North Carolina was the RTP.
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It's more complicated than that. I know you have some years on me, but I remember my social studies projects in elementary school in the mid '60's. My illustrations of NC industry on my project posters were "textiles, tobacco, and furniture". Those industries have been completely and utterly decimated. I'd argue that without the economic engines of banking surrounding Charlotte, and technology surrounding RTP, that we'd be an economic backwater.

For good, or for bad, people follow the money, and they came here along with their education from other places in the country, and now from elsewhere in the world.
 
fieldgrade;n86972 said:
It's more complicated than that. I know you have some years on me, but I remember my social studies projects in elementary school in the mid '60's. My illustrations of NC industry on my project posters were "textiles, tobacco, and furniture". Those industries have been completely and utterly decimated. I'd argue that without the economic engines of banking surrounding Charlotte, and technology surrounding RTP, that we'd be an economic backwater.

For good, or for bad, people follow the money, and they came here along with their education from other places in the country, and now from elsewhere in the world.
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Agreed. I'd also like to add that many of US transplants came here to support traditional values and more freedom. IMO there are just as many native snowflakes in the UNC system and that are products of academic brain washing than there are evil transplants. It is a bigger shift than just northeastern transplants. I wonder how the H1B workers from Europe and Asia in the area usually vote??
 
I'm all in for Constitutional Carry- Freedom can be dangerous, but better free than safe.

While I suspect I'm more deplorably conservative than many here, I firmly believe that even skinny panted horn-rim glasses wearing millennial pink beanie headed dim bulb has the same right as I do to be armed wherever they damn well feel like it, as long as they're law abiding.
 
fieldgrade;n86972 said:
For good, or for bad, people follow the money, and they came here along with their education from other places in the country, and now from elsewhere in the world.
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Cancerous cells are immortal, which also sounds good on paper, but we know how that turns out. I would happily live in a desolate backwater toilet with the snakes and gators than suffer one more blue voting yankee.
 
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JohnFreeman;n87037 said:
I'm all in for Constitutional Carry- Freedom can be dangerous, but better free than safe.

While I suspect I'm more deplorably conservative than many here, I firmly believe that even skinny panted horn-rim glasses wearing millennial pink beanie headed dim bulb has the same right as I do to be armed wherever they damn well feel like it, as long as they're law abiding.
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I completely agree with that.

Freedom can be scary...

As for the post stating you firmly believing in the "abridged"? my only retort to that post is that I support the 2A but...

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premise;n87216 said:
Cancerous cells are immortal, which also sounds good on paper, but we know how that turns out. I would happily live in a desolate backwater toilet with the snakes and gators than suffer one more blue voting yankee.
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Like I said, it's complicated. I have copies of all my dad's pistol purchase permits from 25 years ago because you couldn't get a concealed carry permit then, and yet we can now. I bitch, moan and complain more than anybody about how the RTP area is like living in an airport concourse due to it's transient residents and lack of community, but I've made a good living here because of the economy, and lot's of other folks in surrounding counties who commute here benefitted from the economic engine.

We've had democrat governors and legislatures since long before IBM planted their flag in RTP in the mid '60's.
 
fieldgrade;n87264 said:
Like I said, it's complicated. I have copies of all my dad's pistol purchase permits from 25 years ago because you couldn't get a concealed carry permit then, and yet we can now. I bitch, moan and complain more than anybody about how the RTP area is like living in an airport concourse due to it's transient residents and lack of community, but I've made a good living here because of the economy, and lot's of other folks in surrounding counties who commute here benefitted from the economic engine.

We've had democrat governors and legislatures since long before IBM planted their flag in RTP in the mid '60's.
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To be fair, the politics of the 60's era Democrat party were much different compared to today's liberal/socialist/communist toadies. A 60's Democrat would be more aligned with today's Republican party.
 
That's been the law in Alaska and Vermont for years and I don't hear stories of streets running with blood there.....Other states more recently as well.

Oh and Shall Not Be Infringed.....

Yeah that pretty much covers it.

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CrashTestDummy;n87351 said:
That's been the law in Alaska and Vermont for years and I don't hear stories of streets running with blood there.....Other states more recently as well.

Oh and Shall Not Be Infringed.....

Yeah that pretty much covers it.

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Yup, and one of the reasons I'm still looking at WY.

http://www.gunlaws.com/ConstitutionalCarryIndex.htm
 
So, I have only been in NC for 11 years. I am a transplant from "up North". A large portion of my family also transplanted down here, from "up North". I don't understand why the liberalism of this state is constantly blamed on "transplants from up north". Without exception, every single left-wing snowflake I know here is a native of this state. I think it takes a pretty healthy dose of intellectual dishonesty to continually blame the left-wing problems of NC on transplants, carpet baggers, Yankees, etc... Where I am from, "up north", I can walk into a store without a permission slip from my local tyrant and walk out with a handgun. I don't have to have my car checked every year for "safety and emissions", my tags cost a fraction of what they do in NC, gas tax is much lower, etc... These are all due just as much, if not more, to policies of the Dixiecrat natives.

Sorry, that's a bit of a derailment. I just keep reading this nonsense about folks from "up north", I had to put my two cents in.

If constitutional carry is too frightening because of a lack of training requirement (because those CCH classes are F-N top notch), maybe freedom just isn't for you?
 
CZfool68;n87013 said:
Agreed. I'd also like to add that many of US transplants came here to support traditional values and more freedom. IMO there are just as many native snowflakes in the UNC system and that are products of academic brain washing than there are evil transplants. It is a bigger shift than just northeastern transplants. I wonder how the H1B workers from Europe and Asia in the area usually vote??
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I'd also chime in, though, that the UNC system did very little to change what I believe. Certainly not brainwashed.
 
Errant_Venture;n87414 said:
I'd also chime in, though, that the UNC system did very little to change what I believe. Certainly not brainwashed.
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Well some smart people do slip through the cracks and through the grimey Marxist fingertips. Congratulations on keeping your wits intact. But there is a systemic problem in our University systems nation wide.
 
I should be the only guy allowed to own guns.
 
Mattyb;n87392 said:
Where I am from, "up north", I can walk into a store without a permission slip from my local tyrant and walk out with a handgun. I don't have to have my car checked every year for "safety and emissions", my tags cost a fraction of what they do in NC, gas tax is much lower, etc... These are all due just as much, if not more, to policies of the Dixiecrat natives.
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Dang, sounds pretty sweet. So you know what my next question is, right?

This is exactly why people don't like yankees. Back home was always so great, better than down here, so why are they moving here in droves?
 
I like everybody, right up until they move to my state then proceed to gripe about living here. I couldn't be happier that folks move here because they like the conservative ways or independent mountain living, relaxed coastal living and everything in between, but please, leave the politics that ruined those NE states behind. Politicians, journalists, media, and carpet baggers that move here to scheme, plot, and spread their cancer should be left hanging from the I-95 and I-85 overpasses as a warning.
 
Well I agree and disagree with a lot of been said here. I agree that constitutional carry would be awesome, I agree also that the problems from the left isn't all from northerners that have moved down here. It is just from people who either just don't know or just don't care about if we've got a right to do the tings our constitution guarantees us. A lot of the crap we're being dealt out at us nowadays is from kids namely kids who've came here fro the schools or just kids raised to feel like they do. I myself can't do/believe something just because that was how I was raised. If I did that I'd not have a lot of friends I have today as there are blacks, foreigners, gays, lesbians and tons of other diverse people who I was raised to think you should hate and I just can't do it. One thing I was raised with and do fully support is that I have my God given and constitutionals rights and no one should be allowed to take them or even attempt. That being said I've had used and grew up with guns and stuff that goes BOOM, and will do all I can to keep that freedom from being taken away period. Ok I said my 2CW
 
Lucky13bullets;n87605 said:
your missing the point...
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Enlighten me, please. I would never claim NC to be perfect, and I'm fully aware of the local blue dog and black votes (even though most of our shortcomings in 2A stem from "dixiecrat" racism) that keep giving us crap leftist candidates. It doesn't change the point that I'll never understand why people move here and bitch, all while romanticizing the NE s-holes from which they emmigrated.
 
I'd like very much to not need a CHP but constitutional or not I'll keep the permit so I can carry in other states.
 
Catfish;n87684 said:
I'd like very much to not need a CHP but constitutional or not I'll keep the permit so I can carry in other states.
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I'm in this camp as well. I have questions about reciprocity as well as the ppp. If they get rid of chp, there's no way they're dropping ppp at the same time. I have no interest in having to go to my sheriff, give him money so that he'll give me permission to buy ONE gun. Thank you sir, may I have another. No thanks.
 
premise;n87653 said:
Enlighten me, please. I would never claim NC to be perfect, and I'm fully aware of the local blue dog and black votes (even though most of our shortcomings in 2A stem from "dixiecrat" racism) that keep giving us crap leftist candidates. It doesn't change the point that I'll never understand why people move here and bitch, all while romanticizing the NE s-holes from which they emmigrated.
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I moved here and bitch, but I didn't come from the northeast. When I left KY 10 years ago, I expected NC to be at least equal to KY in terms of governmental intrusion and personal freedom, perhaps better. Unfortunately, I was shocked to find how much the local and state bureaucracies stick their noses into the smallest portions of our personal business. From HOA's to inspecting vehicles to issuing fines for building a shed without county permission, this state is FAR behind my home state. The differences are vastly in favor of KY when you think about Second Amendment issues.

My personal viewpoint is that a liberal from West KY has similar thought processes and beliefs as a so-called conservative in NC. Frankly, I don't know from where the problem stems, but I'm not convinced it's fair to blame it solely on the northerners in the area.
 
Lucky13bullets;n87669 said:
he wasn't bitching... he only brought it up after another tried to point out that the transplants are causing the problems...
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trcubed;n87696 said:
I moved here and bitch, but I didn't come from the northeast. When I left KY 10 years ago, I expected NC to be at least equal to KY in terms of governmental intrusion and personal freedom, perhaps better. Unfortunately, I was shocked to find how much the local and state bureaucracies stick their noses into the smallest portions of our personal business. From HOA's to inspecting vehicles to issuing fines for building a shed without county permission, this state is FAR behind my home state. The differences are vastly in favor of KY when you think about Second Amendment issues.

My personal viewpoint is that a liberal from West KY has similar thought processes and beliefs as a so-called conservative in NC. Frankly, I don't know from where the problem stems, but I'm not convinced it's fair to blame it solely on the northerners in the area.
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Fair enough, point taken.
 
trcubed;n87696 said:
I moved here and bitch, but I didn't come from the northeast. When I left KY 10 years ago, I expected NC to be at least equal to KY in terms of governmental intrusion and personal freedom, perhaps better. Unfortunately, I was shocked to find how much the local and state bureaucracies stick their noses into the smallest portions of our personal business. From HOA's to inspecting vehicles to issuing fines for building a shed without county permission, this state is FAR behind my home state. The differences are vastly in favor of KY when you think about Second Amendment issues.

My personal viewpoint is that a liberal from West KY has similar thought processes and beliefs as a so-called conservative in NC. Frankly, I don't know from where the problem stems, but I'm not convinced it's fair to blame it solely on the northerners in the area.
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trcubed I feel for you as I was kidnapped and brought here by my wife from East Tenn. back in 2000, and I couldn't believe some of the stuff that they tax here dogs being one of them. I mean you have to pay property tax on your dogs but not horses that is so ridiculous to me. Also another thing is unless you have a boat or know someone with a pond there is no place to fish without paying a fee of some type I mean really?? Although the hunting is good here for that at least I'm happy. Never heard of a pistol purchase permit or ABC store till I came here lol. And I aint a yankee foreigner maybe lol.
 
Red Marley;n86943 said:
I have mixed feelings about this. While I firmly believe in "shall not be abridged", I'm kinda happy that concealed carrying at least requires a modicum of training. The thought of a buncha armed yahoos running around with no training gives me the willies. It would make people more polite though! Mixed feelings.
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Glad to have you here FUDD man. Firmly in sand.....

At the intersection of FREEDOM and ANYTHING else, choosing anything but the FREEDOM turn is a mistake.

Can you outlaw stupidity? No.
 
I feel the same about Liberty vs Regulation but there's no need to resort to name calling...
 
Concerning training and education, I've long been an advocate of free state supported operation and safety classes. Maybe like an operators licence for retail purchases, but not restrictive to private purchases. Once you have it, it's lifetime.
We've lost the father son tradition of passing down skills and knowledge. People have to learn somewhere.

Just a thought.
 
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