better hide your "ghost guns"

Looks like it's one of those kits with 80% receivers. I don't think the reporters are making this up.
 
yeah, polymer too, i know you need to quite a bit of drilling but still doable in a few hours.

but also how many people are doing this that we need legislation, not enough
 
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More people are killed every 10 days by drunk drivers than are killed every year by all longs guns combined, but no one is willing to really solve that problem.

Source: National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, 2015.
10,076 people were killed in drunk driving crashes in 2013 - 1 every 53 minutes. Source: National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, 2014.
Every day in America, another 28 people die as a result of drunk driving crashes.



New information released by the FBI revealed that Americans are much more likely to die from getting beaten, clubbed or stabbed to death than to be murdered using an AR-15 or any other rifle.

The FBI’s report for violent crime in 2014 revealed that only 248 people were killed from any form of rifle including rifles in the AR-15 platform.

In contrast, 3,827 people were killed from being stabbed or beaten to death. That means that you are 15.4 times more likely to die from a stabbing or beating than a rifle. Handguns accounted for the vast majority of firearms deaths.


Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2015/09/30/f...death-than-killed-with-a-rifle/#ixzz4YIrxs6DM
 
Man.... Between the gun show loophole and the ghost guns it seems we have ourselves a ghost show loophole...... and then you mix in NCMedic's bitcoin payment and you can't even trace yourself....... Send a DNA sample and they'll tell you who you are.....
 
Zedhound;n87443 said:
yeah, polymer too, i know you need to quite a bit of drilling but still doable in a few hours.

but also how many people are doing this that we need legislation, not enough
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Even if literally everybody was going it, we still wouldn't need legislation.
 
The guns are built from kits and arrive in pieces, so under existing law, when they're shipped, they aren't guns. When assembled by their buyers, they're lethal - and legal.

Federal officials like Graham Barlowe, the resident agent in charge of the ATF's Sacramento office, say the loophole is dangerous.

"People that could not pass a background check," said Barlowe, "are purchasing these unfinished receiver kits and making firearms because they know that if they went to a gun store, they wouldn't be able to pass a background check."
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Somebody's lying here - if you are a prohibited person it's not legal for you to make a gun.
 
yeah right, a criminal is going to go through the trouble of putting a rifle together from an 80% receiver when they can buy pretty much any firearm off the streets or maybe just get it from fast & furious thanks to AG Holder
 
The aluminum ones only take a few hours. Of course that would be breaking the law for a felon to create a firearm, but.... let's see.... he'd be...a felon....
 
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Zedhound;n87443 said:
yeah, polymer too, i know you need to quite a bit of drilling but still doable in a few hours.

but also how many people are doing this that we need legislation, not enough
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Not a few hours...only 45 minutes.
 
11B CIB;n87471 said:
Like they can trace all the illegal guns that are currently in the hands of criminals any better? If that was the case, no criminals would have guns because they could trace them. This is a non-story meant to fan the flames of control.
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This
 
Not this "ghost gun" **** again... they tried this fear-mongering about printable firearms components. We put it to rest. Go back to sucking your thumbs, hippies.
 
I know every gun made after a certain time has a serial number BUT just about every gun used by a criminal has a serial number on it, if it does it did have at one time. So stopping a very few people from getting and making the untraceable gun is gonna do what?? I mean I haven't heard one 1 gun that was used in a crime that didn't have a serial number on it at one time or another period
 
I mean why would a crook go through all the trouble to make a gun shoot it in a crime then leave it just cause he could besides those put together guns are cheap but not as cheap as one you steal or buy on the Black market or should I say on theeeeee oh I know the blank color market
 
Whew!

I ate it all myself.

Except the part that I lost in a tragic boating accident.






(You know how hard it is to sink that stuff?! Accidentally, I mean?)
 
I do not need a kit anymore, I have learned to make them from scrap. Unless they outlaw metal I am good to go. You can do amazing things with couple of grand and a Grizzly machine catalog.
 
For those of you who have made these guns, what tools are required? If it takes more than a few hand tools, like maybe a drill press or other relatively expensive equipment, it would seem silly to think that a criminal would buy all that vs. just getting one the usual way (street or straw).
 
eddie0225;n87762 said:
I mean why would a crook go through all the trouble to make a gun shoot it in a crime then leave it just cause he could besides those put together guns are cheap but not as cheap as one you steal or buy on the Black market or should I say on theeeeee oh I know the blank color market
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All they have to do is know a security guard at a place hosting a gun show...

too soon?
 
MostWanted;n88048 said:
For those of you who have made these guns, what tools are required? If it takes more than a few hand tools, like maybe a drill press or other relatively expensive equipment, it would seem silly to think that a criminal would buy all that vs. just getting one the usual way (street or straw).
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A benchtop drill press and a three-axis vise is all you need.

This line of thought that criminals would build their guns from 80% lowers is sorta ridiculous. They typically look for the easy way of doing things, like stealing what they want.
 
eddie0225;n87759 said:
I know every gun made after a certain time has a serial number BUT just about every gun used by a criminal has a serial number on it, if it does it did have at one time. So stopping a very few people from getting and making the untraceable gun is gonna do what?? I mean I haven't heard one 1 gun that was used in a crime that didn't have a serial number on it at one time or another period
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Seems like, if they were going to make some kind of law, shouldn't they just modify exiting law to mandate that the absolute first thing done to the receiver when it's possible to do so, be the printing of a serial number? Shift the burden to the people making these incomplete receivers. Granted, I'm not well versed on the subject, but still.
 
eddie0225;87762 said:
I mean why would a crook go through all the trouble to make a gun shoot it in a crime then leave it just cause he could besides those put together guns are cheap but not as cheap as one you steal or buy on the Black market or should I say on theeeeee oh I know the blank color market
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If you have a milling machine and know how to run it, why not leave your life of crime behind and get a really good paying job?
 
bigfutz;n88995 said:
If you have a milling machine and know how to run it, why not leave your life of crime behind and get a really good paying job?
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exactly that was my point if you can do all this then you can make good money and not have to worry about jail or death
 
Errant_Venture;n88985 said:
Seems like, if they were going to make some kind of law, shouldn't they just modify exiting law to mandate that the absolute first thing done to the receiver when it's possible to do so, be the printing of a serial number? Shift the burden to the people making these incomplete receivers. Granted, I'm not well versed on the subject, but still.
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More, better regulation....that'll fix it. :rolleyes:
 
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