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To all the people who complain about Trump being anti 2a just answer one question for me who would have been better for 2a and for the country as a whole that ran in the last election (not in the primaries)
 
So because he's less anti-2A people shouldn't complain?

But wasnt Johnson (who was on the ticket) very pro-2A? Who knows how he'd have held up in the actual position, but he said good things on the campaign trail regarding gun rights
 
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So because he's less anti-2A people shouldn't complain?

But wasnt Johnson (who was on the ticket) very pro-2A? Who knows how he'd have held up in the actual position, but he said good things on the campaign trail regarding gun rights
yes Johnson was on the ticket along with his very anti 2a VP nominee Bill Weld. I have no problem with complaining. but Trump like Most has done some Good and some bad things for 2A the judges he appointed to the ninth has caused some good rulings in a place where before It would have been a snowball in Hades chance of a 2A ruling.
 
So because he's less anti-2A people shouldn't complain?

Hellyea we should complain. Loud and long.

I don't think blind faith in the president was the point.

Can you imagine what we would be going through if she had been elected?

But wasnt Johnson (who was on the ticket) very pro-2A? Who knows how he'd have held up in the actual position, but he said good things on the campaign trail regarding gun rights

I would have loved to have cast my vote for Gary Johnson. I typically vote for the Libertarian candidate. I want them to succeed, but they make too much sense for their own good.


This was one of the elections where I felt compelled to vote for the Republican considering the alternative.
 
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In my opinion the Libertarians will not do what they (as a party) need to do to have a chance. They need to focus on good candidates at the state and federal house level. get some of them elected then work on state and federal senators. and the finally worry about the President and libertarian candidate Sean Haugh will not get elected dog catcher but I wonder what he will run for this cycle
 
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Can you imagine what we would be going through if she had been elected?
We might not have that cretin with the mouth of a mocking bird and brain of a billy goat as speaker of the house. People overall as a collective tend to split the vote to avoid party dominance.
 
To all the people who complain about Trump being anti 2a just answer one question for me who would have been better for 2a and for the country as a whole that ran in the last election (not in the primaries)

POTUS may be far from perfect, but he sure was/is better that the other options, to date.
 
Pretty sure complaining is wrapped up in the 1st amendment somewhere. You get to express your opinion on the Trump 2A” and people who disagree get to express theirs... FFS.
 
VT is the only state with Constitional Carry, and no permits of any kind for pistols. And that’s not something that was fought for, it’s always been that way. You can walk into Kmart, buy a pistol, tuck it in your pants and walk out. Open or concealed carry, legal without asking the govt for permission.

Bernie is a traitor.

VT is not the only state with constitutional carry and no permits, not sure where you got that info. Also, if you think hes not anti 2a you must be delusional.
 
Bernie is a US Senator. Not sure he really has anything to do with VT’s gun laws. And if Burlington, where he was Mayor, got to decide there would be no guns in VT. Bernie is a Communist that wants Government control of everything. Give him the power and there would be confiscations. The man honeymoon’s in Soviet Moscow. How much more do you need to know?
 
This is my favorite exercise around here; the “you can only choose between Shit Soup and a Shit Sandwich, and it’s a good thing Shit Sandwich won, because otherwise we’d all be eating Shit Soup!” argument that erupts every time the Republicans have been doing anything but staying within the bounds to the Constitution and it’s election season.

Meanwhile, the ones arguing for Peanut Butter and Jelly are regarded as the loons.
 
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We got the best deal available to us. And I dont know yet if he's actually anti or pro 2a.

At this point he still needs us tho. Trump term two will be interesting.

Lobby for pbj all you want now, i hope to see it on the table next time, but i expect only soup and sandwiches again.
 
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From what I understand, he's doing a great job of loading Federal courts with Constitutionalists while the Swamp stays distracted with his tweets.
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What you will learn is that politically the same few people are never happy.
No matter who is elected they always come short of their magic man, who by the way gets three votes every election.
Everyone is entitled to their complaints, just not everyone has the patience to listen to them. :p
 
Well, I'm more proud every day that I voted for Trump.

I was a card-carrying member of the Libertarian Party for more than a decade, and sent them plenty of money.

I discontinued my support because while I believe strongly in what Libertarians claim to believe, I was disappointed that the majority of the people that ran on the Libertarian ticket, were, indeed, "Loons".
 
We got the best deal available to us. And I dont know yet if he's actually anti or pro 2a.

Anti, as it is with most politicians. A handful of them embrace liberty as it was intended, but those who wish to see a subjugated populace are legion.

I put no stock at all into words, especially those spoken during a campaign. The one exception to that are those who openly / proudly express views that fly in the face of liberty...it’s a pretty safe bet you can believe exactly what those folks are saying. I have no faith at all in grades, ratings or which celebrity accompanies them on the campaign trail and/or stumps for them.

I base my assessment only upon action(s)....how have they voted at the local, state or federal level on issues concerning liberty? That tells me pretty much all I need to know.

There is no gray area. You either stand on liberty completely or you do not support it at all; no cherry picking, no parsing it out and especially no sacrificing part of it to “throw the dogs a bone”...that is a piss-poor plan that is doomed to fail.

If a politician has a penchant for wetting their finger, holding it up and making decisions based upon which side is coldest, avoid their ass, because it is only a matter of time before they f* you over.

I keep it simple; I trust no politician until they prove themselves trustworthy...

Damned few.
 
Bernie Sanders.

He voted against the Brady Bill. His White House priorities have nothing to do with gun control. He’s from Vermont, which is about as pro gun as any of your dreams.

VT is the only state with Constitional Carry, and no permits of any kind for pistols. And that’s not something that was fought for, it’s always been that way. You can walk into Kmart, buy a pistol, tuck it in your pants and walk out. Open or concealed carry, legal without asking the govt for permission.



Any president will actually be a puppet of the party on gun issues. If the party wants it, he’ll sign it. If they don’t want to put up the fight, neither will the president.


Which is why Barrak Obama’s eight year record on guns is better than Trump’s two-year record. For all the sky-is-falling he’s-gunna-git-our-guns whining, Obama’s administration did nothing to take away guns. He signed laws allowing carry in national parks, signed a law allowing guns on Amtrak, and expanded the law allowing full national carry reciprocity for any current or former LEO.


You just can’t tell how these things will go by looking at a president. Too much party politics has to take place before it ever hits the Oval Office.

From Sanders official campaign website - https://berniesanders.com/issues/gun-safety/
We face an epidemic of gun violence in this country. A significant majority of Americans want commonsense gun reform. But the NRA, now a full-fledged, right-wing political organization, spends millions on TV and internet ads attacking candidates who dare to stand up for what voters want. We must:

  • Take on the NRA and its corrupting effect on Washington. The NRA has become a partisan lobbying public-relations entity for gun manufacturers, and its influence must be stopped.
  • Expand background checks.
  • End the gun show loophole. All gun purchases should be subject to the same background check standards.
  • Ban the sale and distribution of assault weapons. Assault weapons are designed and sold as tools of war. There is absolutely no reason why these firearms should be sold to civilians.
  • Prohibit high-capacity ammunition magazines.
  • Crack down on “straw purchases” where people buy guns for criminals.
 
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