A higher level of dishonesty than I expected

fishgutzy

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But not really that shocked.
Got an email regarding vacation time pay.
Chinese math is worse than common core math.
They actually had the nerve to say they were deducting the "bonus" they paid me for the status that were longer than 30 days. $4100 total.
Also deducting $1250 for their contribution to June's health in assistance premium.
Using the balance as of January 2018 as the base rather than accrued as of end of May 2019. Then deducted all of the vacation I used after January 2018 from the balance.


They claim that they only move 3 days.
I knew they were dishonest. So this really should not have been a surprise.

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Isn't it nice to have 'justification' on the new job choice? (I know :D)

Now, take that letter and other documentation you have and get with the NC Dept of Commerce asap!

And if you do any social media, share the hell out of it so that everyone knows how awful the process is.
 
I do have an ace up my sleeve that will certainly get the CTO in hot water with his boss, the CEO, who is also his wife.
I will play that card soon enough.

When you do...

Make sure you are not on company time.
Make sure you post here.
Post a spoiler so I can microwave my popcorn...
 
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Do you have any company property that you can deduct some value of? Laptop, Phone, etc? I would withhold that and anything else you can until they fix their math issue.

Don't do this. Holding any company property hostage only makes you look bad. Get all your paper work in order- emails, pay stubs, any employee manuals that they gave you. Take it to what ever labor board oversees them. If it is in China, you might be SOL. If or when it is denied, go on job review sites and post the truth about how it ended. Don't embellish it. They might pay you to go away and pull your review so that they can recruit new suckers... i mean employees
 
I hate to make a blanket statement about Chinese culture but I have dealt with many of them for 18 months now. I have found those in charge to be finger pointers, dishonest and arrogant to a level that is truly unbelievable. Those who are not in charge aren't so much arrogant but they are extremely loyal ass-kissers to their Chinese master.
 
If you have a non-compete or non-disclosure agreement maybe send them a letter explaining that since they are in violation of your compensation agreement that you are terminating any related agreements. Might or might not be legal, let them pay a lawyer to figure to out.
 
I hate to make a blanket statement about Chinese culture but I have dealt with many of them for 18 months now. I have found those in charge to be finger pointers, dishonest and arrogant to a level that is truly unbelievable. Those who are not in charge aren't so much arrogant but they are extremely loyal ass-kissers to their Chinese master.
That fits this company to a T!
I have heard that the Huawei design centers around the world, even in the US area the same way. All the high level managers are Chinese. They do not promote non Chinese above a certain level.

No written contract can be trusted.

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Don't do this. Holding any company property hostage only makes you look bad. Get all your paper work in order- emails, pay stubs, any employee manuals that they gave you. Take it to what ever labor board oversees them. If it is in China, you might be SOL. If or when it is denied, go on job review sites and post the truth about how it ended. Don't embellish it. They might pay you to go away and pull your review so that they can recruit new suckers... i mean employees

Doesn't matter to Chinese owned and managed entities. He's already got another job, who cares how anything makes you look. They're being ruthless by demanding things that have already been paid to him....turnabout is ALWAYS fair play.
 
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If you have a non-compete or non-disclosure agreement maybe send them a letter explaining that since they are in violation of your compensation agreement that you are terminating any related agreements. Might or might not be legal, let them pay a lawyer to figure to out.
No non compete. And nondisclosure agreements don't cover possible criminal acts. Ha!

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I do have an ace up my sleeve that will certainly get the CTO in hot water with his boss, the CEO, who is also his wife.
I will play that card soon enough.

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Remember this when his account goes quiet...
 
No written contract can be trusted.
I've never understood why US companies want to do business there so badly. The entire culture believed in cheating and stealing as a valid way forward. As you said, no contract can be trusted. Piracy is the norm. Intellectual Property? Forget about it. Even Uncle Sugar has learned that lesson the hard way by letting Chinese (I wouldn't even if they were US born citizens) work on secret stuff like nuclear weapon research only to have them flee with a bunch of information.
 
I've never understood why US companies want to do business there so badly. The entire culture believed in cheating and stealing as a valid way forward. As you said, no contract can be trusted. Piracy is the norm. Intellectual Property? Forget about it. Even Uncle Sugar has learned that lesson the hard way by letting Chinese (I wouldn't even if they were US born citizens) work on secret stuff like nuclear weapon research only to have them flee with a bunch of information.
And Bubba Clinton signed off on using Chinese launch companies to launch DOD satellites that them "exploded" on launch. The DOD satellite critical components were not in the wreckage.

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I've never understood why US companies want to do business there so badly.
Monkey business math makes one whore one's morals at a level previously not known.

The offer to cut costs so drastically that you make incredible profits outweighs the principles of doing business with cheaters. If the human rights argument doesn't bother you, the business practices shoudl.
 
I hate to make a blanket statement about Chinese culture but I have dealt with many of them for 18 months now. I have found those in charge to be finger pointers, dishonest and arrogant to a level that is truly unbelievable. Those who are not in charge aren't so much arrogant but they are extremely loyal ass-kissers to their Chinese master.
And a scary fact is they’re graduating more engineers in China per year than there are in the US.
 
Some of us predicted this but you decided to exit elegantly rather than demanding cash in exchange for their hardware. I understand and respect your decision although I’d have done otherwise.

Personally, I’d NOT play that trump card you’re holding (at least, not yet). Instead, I’d write him an email reminding him that you behaved professionally and ethically during your entire tenure...and, if you don’t receive the full balance IMMEDIATELY (setting a very short deadline and mentioning the precise amount) , he’ll have created a vicious enemy who will not rest until vengeance is done (meaning involving US government agencies and other actions that he’s sure to regret). I’d sign it, “Cordially yours”.
 
@Jeppo I say no. Go right for it. They have shown what they think. They will not change just because of a "but else" letter.

@fishgutzy That's just me. You need to do what you see best.
 
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I expected them to lie. I am not sure I expected it to this level.
But I can't honestly say I'm surprised.
You've probably spent more time there than the rest of this forum combined. You know the culture better than us. Perhaps you know of the pressure points send how best to exploit them?
 
I expected them to lie. I am not sure I expected it to this level.
But I can't honestly say I'm surprised.
I expected they wouldn’t pay you a penny or at least as little as they could possibly justify. Why?

While you were there, they treated you like a donkey. They needed the results of your work, needed you to remain with them, but behaved like they didn’t care about either. If that’s how they acted when they needed/wanted something from you, their behavior when you no longer have anything they want was predictable.

Sorry it went this way. I’d still respond in a way that allows me to dial up the heat rather than beginning with a dump of my only mag.
 
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You've probably spent more time there than the rest of this forum combined. You know the culture better than us. Perhaps you know of the pressure points send how best to exploit them?
Not sure about that. I began working there in 2000. I’ve seen it all.
 
So, what is the name of the company that you used to work for in China?
CanaanTek. They made a big deal out of including a biblical city name in the English version of the company name.
Just amplifies their hypocrisy.

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Doesn't matter to Chinese owned and managed entities. He's already got another job, who cares how anything makes you look. They're being ruthless by demanding things that have already been paid to him....turnabout is ALWAYS fair play.

But if you get a rep for being that kind of employee it can follow you. I have folks that gave a great interview, had great skills... when it got to the end of interview I tell them they got job but I need to check referances and ask around about them... they start sputtering..."Well, don't believe what you hear.."
 
Yeah they may be putting their thumb on the scale, or maybe just plain incompetent. Since they likely still have what you want- any payments - could be delayed if you get ugly ( yeah the law blah blah...but they wouldnt be the first to pay as slow as possibile) I wouldn't blow things up yet.

Write and send to the company a polite concise explanation of what additional monies you exactly believe you are due and why ( according to Company HR policy) via registered mail signature required or the like. Perhaps they will make good, perhaps not. This can help prove that you did not accept their "offer" of settlement of monies due and that from your perspective the issue is still open. I believe it would be better to have documentation showing you attempted to collect an amount with justification yet were stiffed if you did go forward to NC DOL etc.

I bet they may have a hammer but they arent swinging it without solid proof and a winnable case.
 
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