Federal Suppressor Ban Submitted in House AND Senate

I’ll volunteer to meet any Congress critter at a range of their choice in NC/SC/KY/TN/GA/VA/WV/FL/AL/MS/LA and prove how not silent a Silencer is.

(Those are the states I have approved travel forms for my NFA hosts)

The only "silence" that would come from that is the silence of no takers on the offer. They do not care. "we" want them. "they" do not want "us" to have them. It's a power thing with them.
 
I don’t have any NFA items. The same thing applies to pistols, AR15s, etc. The whole premise is that they’re betting on the idea that they’ll have a willing force (police) that will put their lives on the line for an agenda that they will know is a complete violation. Furthermore, they’re betting on the fact that the population values being “law abiding” above all else, including basic right and wrong, and natural rights and will obey at the sight of a stupid badge. Additionally, they’re betting on the idea that people will comply because the price is too high for lack of it. Lastly, they believe that the People are committed to remaining non violent under all circumstances and will restrain the extent of their options to voting and will accept whatever is dictated because, you know, “its called democracy and we voted.”

I don't have any of these, but if I did...yada yada...molon labe...woof woof woof...says the keyboard commando.

Crap like that is easy to say when you don't have any skin in the game.
 
It’ll be interesting from a legal perspective. As we previously discussed, bump stocks have never been legally defined, so claiming that they are protected by 2A is an uphill battle. Suppressors have clearly been defined as weapons and specifically firearms, so congress will have a tough time arguing that they are not protected by 2A, and if they do make such an argument do they risk having the courts overturn the entire NFA?


Especially in light of Miller, given how suppressors are in common use by the US military.
 
I don't have any of these, but if I did...yada yada...molon labe...woof woof woof...says the keyboard commando.

Crap like that is easy to say when you don't have any skin in the game.
Sounds like I hit a nerve.

Of course I have skin in the game, damned near every gun owner who gives a damn about their rights in this country does.
 
1) 80% lowers / AK flats
2) Parts kits
3) Enhanced triggers
4) certain optics deemed "military" style
5) Hi-cap mags
6) certain types of ammo
7) etc
8) etc
9) etc

It's a slippery slope. Obama couldn't do it alone. But now enough asshats (BOTH sides) have been elected to positions of power based on voters voting with their feelings. And yet, most anybody that complained about the bumpstock ban was treated like a chicken little.

You forgot one:

10) etc

:p


@Grim made a point regarding Europe and suppressor ownership I often wonder about as well.

As for the rest of it...it doesn’t take someone with an IQ above 3 to figure out that they’re coming for everything we have. What you are personally going to do about it is what the question is

Sure, I’ve got suppressors. “They” know where I live. What happens next...well, that really depends on what the politicians and the G-men decide to do
 
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I don’t have any NFA items. The same thing applies to pistols, AR15s, etc. The whole premise is that they’re

I don't have any of these, but if I did...yada yada...molon labe...woof woof woof...says the keyboard commando.

Crap like that is easy to say when you don't have any skin in the game.


EVERY citizen has skin in the game...

Whenever there is a direct attack on a right, it is an attack on them all. They are all directly connected, sorta like a wheel....”liberty” being the wheel and “rights” being the spokes.

When a spoke is weakened, it jeopardizes the structural integrity of the entire wheel.
 
My question...

Where’s our Alamo? Just need to know when and where to make the stand. PM reply is ok. :cool:
I don't think there will be an Alamo. Have you read Unintended Consequences? It is admittedly a dry book for about the first half, but I have a feeling it could be a pretty decent possible portrayal of how things could go down. Interestingly, it does deal with NFA items and people who "refused to surrender them".

If the book, admittedly a work of fiction, is any sort of insight:
  • Gun grabbing politicians get executed.
  • Doxxing and the Internet puts together a list of (federal) agents of the ATF and other agencies.
  • They too get executed. Possibly their families get targeted.
  • The resistance spreads with people who value their rights and others, such as veterans start bringing the fight to the govt through stealth executions.
  • It is a leaderless resistance, but you may find some pseudo leaders helping by directing targets, providing cyber espionage, etc, on dark web channels.
  • There will be attempts at raids, some of which won't go well for the govt.
  • Former demolition experts may take action destroying govt.facilities and doing things like taking out bridges making traffic into and out of DC impossible, which would greatly hamper the govt's ability to do business.
  • More restrictions will be enacted, check points will be manned to search for weapons. Some will forcibly resist on site with casualties on both sides.
  • Innocents will get caught up in and killed in the check points.
  • As public furor increases, more people will join the fight and the executions of govt. agents and the politicians will increase, all while it becomes impossible for govt. to run and "rule".
  • Eventually some sort of deal will be reached where gun restrictions are terminated at a certain date, amnesty is issued for all combatants provided the violence stops on that day.
  • After which, real reform will begin.
 
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Sounds like I hit a nerve.

Of course I have skin in the game, damned near every gun owner who gives a damn about their rights in this country does.

No nerve. Just keepin it real.

The topic is suppressors.

The BATFE supposedly knows where they are and who they belong to.

When you have one or more and have to take a moment to decide whats most important too you at the time, get back to me and show me that you stand behind the bravado that many seem to develop behind a keyboard.

Remember...pics or it didn't happen.
 
Oh the lake is wide and deep.....
 
I know. Go back to what I said in the post @TripleO7 quoted. There is no bravado. I said that the forces that want to disarm the people think that all they have to do is get a majority to hold a vote and afterwards the police will go around enforcing their prohibition even though they know its wrong. (Note, I said I said they think, I didn’t even say it would happen). Furthermore, I stated that I think they believe people will comply in order to be law abiding and that people (some obviously do) believe in the virtue of law and will obey for that reason.

I, myself, no, I do not hold law in such regard and would not comply. I’m not going to come out and say I’d do XY, or Z, just that I wouldn’t comply.
 
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I think most of us (and this is just my own opinion) don't really know what we will do when the time comes. We say what we want to hear and what we think WILL do. I'm sure there were a few Poles in 43 that where thinking along the same lines.
 
I believe the vast amount of "fear" over the inanimate objects
Even back then, people fear what they do not understand.

I don't think this has any bearing at all on the issue to our elected officials. They know exactly what they are doing and know exactly how to implement it. The only thing they truly fear is the 2A. This will be one more little "chip" in the 2A wall.
They are coming...decide what you will do. Do Not count on help from many. They will fold like a cheap lawn chair. I have not decided what I would do if my gate went down and a dozen armed men surrounded us. Especially if they had "The Law" on their side.
 
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Terry
 
I don't think there will be an Alamo. Have you read Unintended Consequences? It is admittedly a dry book for about the first half, but I have a feeling it could be a pretty decent possible portrayal of how things could go down. Interestingly, it does deal with NFA items and people who "refused to surrender them".

If the book, admittedly a work of fiction, is any sort of insight:
  • Gun grabbing politicians get executed.
  • Doxxing and the Internet puts together a list of (federal) agents of the ATF and other agencies.
  • They too get executed. Possibly their families get targeted.
  • The resistance spreads with people who value their rights and others, such as veterans start bringing the fight to the govt through stealth executions.
  • It is a leaderless resistance, but you may find some pseudo leaders helping by directing targets, providing cyber espionage, etc, on dark web channels.
  • There will be attempts at raids, some of which won't go well for the govt.
  • Former demolition experts may take action destroying govt.facilities and doing things like taking out bridges making traffic into and out of DC impossible, which would greatly hamper the govt's ability to do business.
  • More restrictions will be enacted, check points will be manned to search for weapons. Some will forcibly resist on site with casualties on both sides.
  • Innocents will get caught up in and killed in the check points.
  • As public furor increases, more people will join the fight and the executions of govt. agents and the politicians will increase, all while it becomes impossible for govt. to run and "rule".
  • Eventually some sort of deal will be reached where gun restrictions are terminated at a certain date, amnesty is issued for all combatants provided the violence stops on that day.
  • After which, real reform will begin.
Yes I have read it and I also have sealed unopened 1st edition that i bought after I had read it
 
I can afford the $1, barely, but no bet. I'm just not sure. What I am sure of is that I have no faith in the Republican party. I think they would and have sold us down the river.
They probably consider us the looney right and are catering to the so called moderate democrats. There is a reason we call the party Democrat Light.
 
The Help Empower Americans to Respond (HEAR) Act is being introduced by Sen. Bob Menendez (D-NJ). The bill would ban suppressor ownership nationwide and initiate a 90-day buy-back period for current owners to turn in their suppressors. We anticipate a House companion bill also to be introduced.

I’ll wait until I see the buy-back details, but I might have 6 they can have if the price is right. :D
 
So how many of you have taken the TIME to call email and write you Senators and Representatives to tell them to oppose this bill or do you just complain here in a pro-gun site?
 
So how many of you have taken the TIME to call email and write you Senators and Representatives to tell them to oppose this bill or do you just complain here in a pro-gun site?
I have called, emailed and written each of my Congressmen about this, and many other issues. :)
 
So there are 3 of us that do more that complain on the internet. If some of the people here put as much energy into trying to change things as they do in Bashing the Repbulicans and the NRA maybe we could get something done
 
Yeah?

Well maybe if they would stop using the RTKBA as a g.d. chip in a poker game for votes (Republicans) and profit (NRA), ground might be gained, but when both of them attempt to undermine the RTKBA whenever it’s convenient politically, sorta leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Both have earned every damned bit of bashing they receive.

And yeah...I burn up the phones/email of my Reps/Senators at the state and federal levels.
 
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Yeah?

Well maybe if they would stop using the RTKBA as a g.d. chip in a poker game for votes (Republicans) and profit (NRA), ground might be gained, but when both of them attempt to undermine the RTKBA whenever it’s convenient politically, sorta leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Both have earned every damned bit of bashing they receive.

And yeah...I burn up the phones/email of my Reps/Senators at the state and federal levels.

I am Glad you call and email but I still think that a lot of the people who complain the most don't do anything to try and change the situation
 
Wrote both Senators & Trump, joined ASA and renewed GOA...within the last 48 hours.
 
So there are 3 of us that do more that complain on the internet. If some of the people here put as much energy into trying to change things as they do in Bashing the Repbulicans and the NRA maybe we could get something done
Most of us do what we can but neither feel the need to brag about it nor any obligation to justify ourselves. Too many Rs and NRA members expect those organizations to do it for them. Bottom line is that, no matter what we do, we are not the ones with the power to pass or repeal laws. When was the last time your congresscritter did what you wanted?

Terry
 
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Most of us do what we can but neither feel the need to brag about it nor any obligation to justify ourselves. Too many Rs and NRA members expect those organizations to do it for them. Bottom line is that, no matter what we do, we are not the ones with the power to pass or repeal laws. When was the last time your congresscritter did what you wanted?

Terry

Probably when it became legal in NC to carry where alcohol is served I know I spent a full hour on the phone with my NC rep at that time explaining the problems with the old NO carry where alcohol is served law
 
Probably when it became legal in NC to carry where alcohol is served I know I spent a full hour on the phone with my NC rep at that time explaining the problems with the old NO carry where alcohol is served law
I'm talking federal not state.

Terry
 
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