TX Officer Kills Woman While Shooting at Dog

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Arlington, Texas -- An Arlington police officer aiming at a loose dog coming toward him shot and killed a woman Thursday evening, CBS Dallas reports. The officer wasn't hurt.

The station says Arlington police and fire department members and EMS responded to a report of a woman passed out in a grassy area.

As the officer began to approach what appeared to be a woman lying in the grass, he noticed there was also a loose dog that was apparently with her, police said in a news release.

As the officer called out to the woman repeatedly about her condition, the dog began to run toward the officer in a threatening manner and barking, police said.

The officer walked backwards from the running dog while drawing his gun, then fired multiple times toward the dog.


"After the shots were fired, the woman yelled out and it was apparent she was injured," police said in the release.

The woman was rushed to a hospital where she was pronounced dead.

There was no word on the fate of the dog.


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Arlington, Texas -- An Arlington police officer aiming at a loose dog coming toward him shot and killed a woman Thursday evening, CBS Dallas reports. The officer wasn't hurt.


The station says Arlington police and fire department members and EMS responded to a report of a woman passed out in a grassy area.

As the officer began to approach what appeared to be a woman lying in the grass, he noticed there was also a loose dog that was apparently with her, police said in a news release.


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Am I the only one who thinks I could hold my own against 1 dog with my bare hands??? I’m not talking a dog + handler or a pack of dogs but just one solitary animal? I’m 6’1 230lbs and think I could work it out. I’m sure I’d be tore up but victorious.

Give me a taser or an ASP and it’s a no brainer.

Rockchucker said:

Am I the only one who thinks I could hold my own against 1 dog with my bare hands??? I’m not talking a dog + handler or a pack of dogs but just one solitary animal? I’m 6’1 230lbs and think I could work it out. I’m sure I’d be tore up but victorious.

Give me a taser or an ASP and it’s a no brainer.

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I agree in the sense that a lot if these incidents seem related to lack of competence and confidence on the part of the officers. In other words over reacting when it might have been handled in a less dramatic fashion. Of course, that's easy to say, not being there. But, still.

It seems that we’re moving toward officers using lethal force of they believe they might be injured. I think this is probably just the perception created by media exposure.

Rockchucker said:

Am I the only one who thinks I could hold my own against 1 dog with my bare hands??? I’m not talking a dog + handler or a pack of dogs but just one solitary animal? I’m 6’1 230lbs and think I could work it out. I’m sure I’d be tore up but victorious.

Give me a taser or an ASP and it’s a no brainer.

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I once had to take on a dog with a bike lock, I was slightly injured. Contact taser would be a great weapon against a dog IMHO, you’ll get bit but you’ll win.

Hey, at least HE got to go home safe. The public he's sworn to protect.... Well that's an acceptable loss these days.

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JimB said:

It seems that we’re moving toward officers using lethal force of they believe they might be injured. I think this is probably just the perception created by media exposure.


I once had to take on a dog with a bike lock, I was slightly injured. Contact taser would be a great weapon against a dog IMHO, you’ll get bit but you’ll win.

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And no one dies even the dog ?

Pepper spray will work better on a dog than it will a person. Their sense of smell is about 1000x stronger.

So many things done wrong here.

So if I go for a walk in the park this afternoon and walk into a similar situation, respond in the same manor, do you think I’ll be allowed to go home like this guy?
More then likely I’d find myself being carted off and charged with something. This is ridiculous.


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I've defended cops in a bunch of threads but it's getting harder and harder. The quantity alone is starting to make me sick to my stomach.

spittinfire said:

So many things done wrong here.

So if I go for a walk in the park this afternoon and walk into a similar situation, respond in the same manor, do you think I’ll be allowed to go home like this guy?
More then likely I’d find myself being carted off and charged with something. This is ridiculous.


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A preliminary investigation revealed the woman was likely struck by police gunfire. The medical examiner’s office said she was shot on 1100 Canter Drive, an area that appears to be the rear side of a business across from a grassy field.

Police have not said if the officer will face charges, but the incident was captured on bodycam footage, FOX4 reported.

Every class I've been in teaches that the shooter is responsible for where his shot goes. (Be aware of your target and what's behind it.) I guess some animals are more equal than others.

When under stress one reverts to training......

Must be a lot of shot up dog dummies at law enforcement training facilities.

As @SCshooter57 said, you are responsible for every shot you fire no matter where it goes or what happens. There should be no “fire and hope for the best”.

With the increase in video being everywhere, it seems like it’s harder and harder to sweep things under the rug or hide those less-than-stellar officers. There should be more intensive training for LE which would effectively give them more tools in their belt.

Police should not only be excellent shots but also highly skilled in hand to hand combat such as Kravmaga(sp?) or jujitsu. They also need some better less than lethal solutions, aside from a taser which fails too often. Maybe we replace *some* tasers with plastic/rubber bullet guns, not even sure if that’s possible in a pistol platform but you get what I’m saying.


ETA: a quick google says they do exist. Same caliber as a paintball, 25yd effective range, variety of projectiles including those with OC.
https://fnamerica.com/products/less-lethal/fn-303-p/

Well, at least it wasn’t a 10 year old girl shot this time, doing the exact same thing.

What sense does it make to give a group of people who are scared of their own shadows authority over their fellow man, a system erected to protect them from accountability, and then hand them lethal weapons and a mandate to enforce the scribbling of corrupt politicians, most of whom are universally reviled?

Get them some training on how to deal with dogs.

Why are cops afraid of everything?

Once upon a time,
I faced a large doberman while giving an estimate.
We went round and round all the while I was backing towards the truck.
I had only wished I had my straight clawed Estwing.
The person inside, not sure who it was, called and the dog turned and reentered the window from whence he came. (I was told no one would be there)

My left work boot received some puncture holes and my ankle was bruised.

They never did get an estimate.

I wasn’t carrying then but I might have shot the dog too but only as a last result.

Tailhunter said:

Once upon a time,
I faced a large doberman while giving an estimate.
We went round and round all the while I was backing towards the truck.
I had only wished I had my straight clawed Estwing.
The person inside, not sure who it was, called and the dog turned and reentered the window from whence he came. (I was told no one would be there)

My left work boot received some puncture holes and my ankle was bruised.

They never did get an estimate.

I wasn’t carrying then but I might have shot the dog too but only as a last result.

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But I'm fairly sure you wouldn't have sprayed bullets towards a dog with a person behind it. That's the difference.

Tailhunter said:

Get them some training on how to deal with dogs.

Why are cops afraid of everything?

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It attracts people who feel that they need the aura of authority a Kripo..... I mean police uniform offers?

SCshooter57 said:

A preliminary investigation revealed the woman was likely struck by police gunfire. The medical examiner’s office said she was shot on 1100 Canter Drive, an area that appears to be the rear side of a business across from a grassy field.

Police have not said if the officer will face charges, but the incident was captured on bodycam footage, FOX4 reported.

Every class I've been in teaches that the shooter is responsible for where his shot goes. (Be aware of your target and what's behind it.) I guess some animals are more equal than others.

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Amazing what happens when you apply the 4 rules isn’t it?


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Rockchucker said:

Am I the only one who thinks I could hold my own against 1 dog with my bare hands??? I’m not talking a dog + handler or a pack of dogs but just one solitary animal? I’m 6’1 230lbs and think I could work it out. I’m sure I’d be tore up but victorious.

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I've only owned German Shepherds for better than 40 years, including the newest at maybe a month old in my avatar. I'm 160 lbs and 5'8" and I know you could, just as I could. I'd be bitten and bloody but the dog would be dead. But the nature of teeth and growling instill fear in most people just like an aggressive attitude and loud voice in a man will do the same to some. Willingness is better than half the battle.

I deal with dogs all the time in my line of work. Most of the time, even the ones that are barking and don't look happy to see you will calm down when you show that you're not threatening. I can't tell you how many barking dogs that came running towards me decided we could be friends after I stood still and let them sniff the back of my hand.

And the few dogs that didn't? Nothing I couldn't handle with a well placed kick or a swing of a stick.

Mailmen deal with dogs far more than police do, yet you don't hear about them shooting up dogs and their owners.

Pizza delivery boys can find the right address in 30 minutes in the dark.

I'm convinced that the problem with police today is their recruiting and training. So many of them seem to act like they think they're fighting a war, and not keeping the peace. I think a lot of this could be fixed by changing the recruiting process to screen out bullies and those looking for a fight, and change training to focus on preserving peace.

Virtually every one of the recent incidents with cops could have been prevented if someone had chosen to use their head instead of going for the pistol.

Cpippen said:

And no one dies even the dog ?

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Doesn’t really matter, I have no issues with a LEO killing a dog that is attacking. It gets gray if the dog is “threatening” because it could probably be dealt with more safely if the officers were trained for it, but I’m not even sure that this is where I’d want to focus officer training, there are bigger issues in the world.

I think I'm entering the British camp, bobbies shouldn't carry guns.
But the bobbie still can't have mine.

My UPS man carries Scooby snacks. Maybe police should do the same

I once got an #80 + shepherd off of me. It may sound crazy, but I jammed my hand
as deep down his throat as far I could. Yes I got bit, but he was backing up off me and didn't want any more of that.

BASIL said:

I once got an #80 + shepherd off of me. It may sound crazy, but I jammed my hand
as deep down his throat as far I could. Yes I got bit, but he was backing up off me and didn't want any more of that.

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When I was a teen, my mother's dog got aggressive with me, a dog pound lab mix, I too shoved my hand down his throat,
he never did that again to me. My right hand was a bit sore and bruised by healed up quick.

No problem here with a charging dog if it is charging. If it’s just barking it’s no shoot. Keep your damn dogs on a leash or in the yard. It gets a little squirrelly when you shoot people passed out in the grass.

Let’s be truthful guys. The hiring process is awful now. They are hiring the bottom of the barrel. Men and women who live in fear. Filling quotas for race and gender. With 65.9 percent of high school graduates going on to college their hiring pool is now the low end of the remaining 34 percent.

I'm thinking that if he would have followed the four basic rules of gun safety this would not have resulted in a death.

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Oldguy said:

I've only owned German Shepherds for better than 40 years, including the newest at maybe a month old in my avatar. I'm 160 lbs and 5'8" and I know you could, just as I could. I'd be bitten and bloody but the dog would be dead. But the nature of teeth and growling instill fear in most people just like an aggressive attitude and loud voice in a man will do the same to some. Willingness is better than half the battle.

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As a kid, I was afraid of dogs, due to a friend's that bit me when I was young. But, somewhere along the line everything changed. Now, dogs don't really affect me the same. When one seems threatening, I act nice to it, while plotting how I would kill it if I have to. I think they sense that and have gotten along with dogs since.

Yep...

Its Barney Fife time. If there is only one bullet to be had, it maximizes critical thinking skills.

Can't toss 17+ rounds at a problem. Now what?

Of course have a team/unit on standby for serious stuff..

They're only a call away.....



That seems to be the big issue. Critical thinking is in the toilet when "protect your self above all" is the mind set.

Of course going to "gun" is easy for a scared 20 something.

But they are civil servants, keepers of the peace..

That firepower isn't even available to you, much less on your hip.. Now what?

Owner on the ground, officer comes up on her. Dog interposed between them, barking to warn off possible threat. That's the dogs job. How did the popo NOT KNOW THAT?

What you're seeing is the end result of raising soft handed, inside dwelling city boys getting hired into a job with physical and critical thinking demands that they never learned to exercise. Anybody with a real childhood of playing outdoors, shooting, and general mischief knows how not to shoot somebody, when it's okay to shoot, how to handle confrontation, and how to deal with a damn dog. It's beyond training, lots of these turds should have never been hired.

Who would have thought that giving soft minded and limp wristed cowards "authority" would have such negative consequences?

Fire him, at minimum.

ladder13 said:

Charge him, at minimum.

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He should be fired and barred for any law enforcement job for life. It's sad that a bad cops gets fired and then moves and get a new job as cop.

My lexicon of profanities is inadequate here.

georgel said:

Police held a press conference Friday afternoon at which they released part of the officer’s body camera video and said it’s believed he fired three shots. The 25-year-old officer graduated from the police academy in February and completed his field training on July 1, Police Chief Will Johnson said.

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More hours of training are required for certification and licensing as a cosmetologist......

I would argue, as municipalities and States have argued in court,they don't want or have a vested interest in Officers being too smart or well trained.

You don't get automatons that just do their jobs, whatever the cost, otherwise.