15yo Arrested, Threat School Shooting: Mom,"But,", "he's just a little kid playing a video game."

Yup, This is ONE way of keeping the crazies in check, versus dis-arming America.

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A 15-year-old student was arrested in Central Florida after authorities said he made an online threat to shoot up his school.

The unnamed teenage boy, who attends Seabreeze High School in Daytona Beach, allegedly posted a comment on a video game chat platform last week using a fake name, vowing to bring his father's M15 assault rifle to school and kill seven people "at a minimum," according to a statement from the Volusia County Sheriff's Office.



Body-camera footage released by the sheriff's office shows the moment deputies arrived at the teen's home on Friday morning and handcuffed him. His mother can be heard telling deputies that she does own a gun and understands threats cannot be taken lightly.

"But," she says, "he's just a little kid playing a video game."

https://abcnews.go.com/US/joke-types-comments-felonies-police-arrest-florida-teen/story?id=65070169

vowing to bring his father's M15 assault rifle to school and kill

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The M15 Squad Automatic Weapon was a modified M14 developed as a replacement for the .30-06 M1918 Browning Automatic Rifle for use as a squad automatic weapon. It added a heavier barrel and stock, two pistol grips (one fixed, one folding) a hinged buttplate, a selector switch for fully automatic fire, and a bipod. The sling was from the BAR. Like the M14, it was chambered for 7.62×51mm NATO.

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Going out on a limb here but I'm guessing ABC news either did their usual job of careful research _or_ maybe it's part of a bigger conspiracy to blur the lines between the AR15 and M16.

While I am generally not a fan of people getting in trouble for words, making threats like this (sadly) has become to close to yelling "FIRE!" in a crowded room. If its found he had zero actual desire to do anything, at least he, and a bunch of other kids, have learned that saying stupid things will cause stupid things to happen to you.

Yes jail is a good way to learn not to do that. It is exactly like yelling fire or bomb etc.

I don't get the impression that these two, both 15 years old, one a boy the other a girl, were really going to engage in shooting up their schools. I suspect in what passes for reason in their teenage brains, they thought they were either being funny or somehow trying to get attention. If I am reading the articles right, neither had guns and the girl used a picture of one from a display case at Walmart.

If this is true, it should be used as an opportunity for a lesson, and not just for these two kids, but the entire school. Under such circumstances, I think jail would be a really poor move because what you'll get at the end of that pipeline will be far worse.

Kids have always said things like this.

Thought police. It's a slippery slope.

Just sayin'

I am generally not for punishing someone for something they have not yet done, but that is not the case here. He communicated a very serious and believable threat and should face the consequences for doing so. That is not just a thought. The threat was actually communicated to someone.

Facebook, Instagram, etc will be the demise of quite a few people who can’t get It their their thick skulls that even though there are only a few Red Flag type laws now posting stuff thinking the 1st Amendment is going to protect them no longer applies and as time passes will become even more patrolled by “pre-crime police”. Hell, the way movies have sometimes foreshadowed the future we might not be dealing with them but our kids could be under the microscope of “thought police”.

My advice to my kid that my Grandpa gave me years back use to be “Nwver write anything down on paper you would not want published on the front page of the newspaper”. I’ve changed it over the past few year to leave a voicemail, post on the internet and lately say in front of teachers ... next will be speak or communicate in anyway anything other than “isn’t that nice” to anyone because no telling who will twist it against you.

Charlie said:

I am generally not for punishing someone for something they have not yet done, but that is not the case here. He communicated a very serious and believable threat and should face the consequences for doing so. That is not just a thought. The threat was actually communicated to someone.

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Yeah, in a video game chatroom.

Just sayin'

the result of zero tolerance laws, and red flag shit. Next thing you'll know they'll start to do a DNA profile on shooters and start looking for the crazy gene.

FWIW when's the last time someone who was a minor (under 16 in the eyes of the law now) actually SHOT up a school (not brought a gun)? yeah, didn't think so.

ontheroad said:

Going out on a limb here but I'm guessing ABC news either did their usual job of careful research _or_ maybe it's part of a bigger conspiracy to blur the lines between the AR15 and M16.

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Yer prolly right, but Armalite does sell a M15 rifle. They don't make no AR15's.

https://www.armalite.com/product/m15-def15-defensive-sporting-rifle/

georgel said:

Yeah, in a video game chatroom.

Just sayin'

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I know, but the person in the chat room is a real person. The threat was communicated to a real person or to real people. That is not just thought. I know kids talk and joke around but I also know they take weapons and kill people. Communicating a threat in a video game chat room is not any different from communicating a threat on this forum. I think the term "thought police" does not apply in this case. The "thought police" would be applicable if they arrested him for something they think he might do without communicating that he will do it. That is scary.

I do not recall that this moron has been judged to be mentally incompetent. Stupid is not the same thing as mentally incompetent. He is stupid. Stupid is not illegal. Doing stupid things frequently is.

I try to be very careful what I write and saw because I know it could get me into serious trouble if I say or write something that can be considered to be a threat.

Charlie said:

I try to be very careful what I write and saw because I know it could get me into serious trouble if I say or write something that can be considered to be a threat.

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And that's part of the difference between adults and adolescents. I'm not apologizing but officers and teachers should be given a little discretion in determining a real threat versus an online joke/trashtalk or whatever. Unless you want to create a society of felons, which is the overall goal I believe.

Ikarus1 said:

And that's part of the difference between adults and adolescents. I'm not apologizing but officers and teachers should be given a little discretion in determining a real threat versus an online joke/trashtalk or whatever. Unless you want to create a society of felons, which is the overall goal I believe.

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I certainly agree. I have heard several students verbally threaten to kill me and other teachers and did not take them seriously. I did, however, make very sure that the student knew the seriousness of his/her statements and that I would guarantee that he/she would be removed in handcuffs if I thought he/she was serious or if they did it again. I hope I scared them stiff because they knew I was not bluffing. I had my department chair threaten death and destruction to me on several occasions but did not take her seriously. She might have been justified.

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I don't get the impression that these two, both 15 years old, one a boy the other a girl, were really going to engage in shooting up their schools. I suspect in what passes for reason in their teenage brains, they thought they were either being funny or somehow trying to get attention. If I am reading the articles right, neither had guns and the girl used a picture of one from a display case at Walmart.

If this is true, it should be used as an opportunity for a lesson, and not just for these two kids, but the entire school. Under such circumstances, I think jail would be a really poor move because what you'll get at the end of that pipeline will be far worse.

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That's only because the Jails are done wrong. You need to make the jail lesson a really hard painful lesson, like they used to.

Charlie said:

I certainly agree. I have heard several students verbally threaten to kill me and other teachers and did not take them seriously. I did, however, make very sure that the student knew the seriousness of his/her statements and that I would guarantee that he/she would be removed in handcuffs if I thought he/she was serious or if they did it again. I hope I scared them stiff because they knew I was not bluffing. I had my department chair threaten death and destruction to me on several occasions but did not take her seriously. She might have been justified.

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How did they know you weren't bluffing? Have you had them taken out in handcuffs before, in front of everyone? If they did make threats, I hope so.

Charlie said:

I certainly agree. I have heard several students verbally threaten to kill me and other teachers and did not take them seriously. I did, however, make very sure that the student knew the seriousness of his/her statements and that I would guarantee that he/she would be removed in handcuffs if I thought he/she was serious or if they did it again. I hope I scared them stiff because they knew I was not bluffing. I had my department chair threaten death and destruction to me on several occasions but did not take her seriously. She might have been justified.

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I'm not saying ignore them, but evaluate each one according.
My wife taught at a Title 1 high school here in Charlotte (gangville) All threats were taken seriously, even non-verbal ones. One intercom call and a student was forcibly extracted from the room, by a couple of security officers, all of which were heavy duty dudes in BDU's.

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How did they know you weren't bluffing? Have you had them taken out in handcuffs before, in front of everyone? If they did make threats, I hope so.

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I knew them fairly well after having them in classes and labs and I was able to judge by how they said it that they were not serious. I never had to call security to have anyone removed by force but I did not let any threats pass unnoticed. I did call security to have them standing in the hall one time when a female teacher was having problems with a student.

I not saying I'm starting to get old, but when I went to school, they still hit us. Nuns with rulers and those big Chalkboard erasers. They would also come up behind you while walking the aisles and crack you one in the back of the head, if you needed and deserved it. Kids with ADD/ADHD, I think we all had it back then, we didn't get Ritalin, we got smacked in the head and told to sit down and shut up, or else. It worked.
We didn't have school shootings.

phideux said:

I not saying I'm starting to get old, but when I went to school, they still hit us. Nuns with rulers and those big Chalkboard erasers. They would also come up behind you while walking the aisles and crack you one in the back of the head, if you needed and deserved it. Kids with ADD/ADHD, I think we all had it back then, we didn't get Ritalin, we got smacked in the head and told to sit down and shut up, or else. It worked.
We didn't have school shootings.

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I was struck across my chest by a tech school shop teacher in 1991, Rick Flair style. I was also slapped across the top of my head by my waitress this past Friday evening.

Both of those smacks learned me there were words that would send people over the edge.

Just wait until they start wading through the posts on here...

noway2 said:

I don't get the impression that these two, both 15 years old, one a boy the other a girl, were really going to engage in shooting up their schools. I suspect in what passes for reason in their teenage brains, they thought they were either being funny or somehow trying to get attention. If I am reading the articles right, neither had guns and the girl used a picture of one from a display case at Walmart.

If this is true, it should be used as an opportunity for a lesson, and not just for these two kids, but the entire school. Under such circumstances, I think jail would be a really poor move because what you'll get at the end of that pipeline will be far worse.

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My nephew was arrested and charge with basically threatening mass destruction or terrorism which was 25 years to life. He was 16. He mentioned in a text he wished he could line a few teacher up (he was being bullied). This was from the crazy girl he was seeing (he is a fat kid so any girl would hold huge sway), there was never any text message introduced as evidence, there was never a search of his car or my folks home (they had adopted him). My parents spent TENS of THOUSANDS of their retirement defending this.

In the end, the judge excepted a plea of making a prank phone fking call. $400 fine. It was a small town so my folks sold their house and moved and my nephew was not only kicked out of the original school, but myrtle beach high becuase somehow they found out about it even though he was a juvenile. So, the other side of that coin is that a lot of people are hurt and lives destroyed every day because we are now knee jerking to every flippin thing.

If I had done something like that my daddy would have beat my a** bloody. No police intervention needed.

No good comes from violent video games. Did not allow them played in my home while under age. Son went to college and bought one in his second year because all his friends were up all night playing. What a waste. Thank goodness it never influenced him or affected his college grades. His game is real now as he is an officer in the Army.

Ok, and here comes the dilemma...

On some of the other mass shootings we have opined that the police had been warned, authorities failed to act, and nothing was done.

Article where the authorities act on a kid communicating threats...they have gone overboard.

There is a balance between over reach, and not reaching far enough.

B00ger said:

On some of the other mass shootings we have opined that the police had been warned, authorities failed to act, and nothing was done.

Article where the authorities act on a kid communicating threats...they have gone overboard.

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What isn't entirely clear to me is whether or not this alleged threat meets the imminent and specific requirements, or specifically would the proverbial reasonable person think they do or don't. I believe this stems from the Brandenburg v. Ohio SCOTUS ruling. If they do not, then this was the cops going overboard. If it do, then then they were justified to act. My suspicion is that in the current climate they would be biased towards overreacting, the whole take their guns first and worry about due process later bit.

I've had some downtime today, so using Tor I've been reading in some of the Internet's cesspools on both the far right and left. One of those sites had this to say, which reminds me of the notion that it is usually in defending the scum that we find the meaning and importance of our rights. Below are a couple of paragraphs from one such source that while I will not name or link to it here, are probably easy enough to find, that struck me as interesting.

To be clear, I am against violent threats, and don’t think people should make them at all. However, we live in a society that is supposed to be based on the rule of law, so if you start arresting people for things that are not actually crimes, you no longer have any kind of society, but just an anti-social tyranny.

This mass shooter hysteria is so obviously a part of a plot to normalize illegal arrests that it absolutely makes me question whether or not both El Paso and Dayton were not manufactured events. The fact that one was right-wing and one was left-wing actually fits into that particular conspiracy narrative, because the goal would be to rally everyone around gun control and illegal arrests, which is exactly the path they took by getting the Republicans to shill for all of this.

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The first paragraph I think is profound and true. I also think it reflects upon what has been happening in this country and the breakdown of the so called rule of law. The second paragraph is more of the aluminum foil hat variety, but at the same time I can recall where we've said the PTBs will want XYZ out of the news cycle, cue the mass shooting in 3, 2, 1, and it happens.

I watched the videos posted of Portland, Oregon. Many violent acts as the cops stood around and watched. Why did they not round up those violent offenders who terrorized the streets? They were in the act of assaulting people. I’m confused as to what constitutes a threat to citizens.

I clearly think this kid is guilty of communicating threats. He needs no guns in the house he lives. I see it as a simple misdemeanor if proven guilty. Mommy and daddy need a wake up call.

Like @noway2 I do not have enough information to know whether the threat appeared to meet the standards set by the courts. But I believe in having only one legal standard and if that standard is met, dealing with apparent violations of law consistently.

If you are dumb enough to post on a public forum your desire to cause mass carnage, you deserve to be interrogated and investigated thoroughly.
It is like yelling "FIRE" in a theater or "BOMB" on a plane. The first amendment allows us rights but it has some exceptions.
It seems like a lot of the recent mass shootings had previous warnings that were not taken seriously.
They need to check out any sign of a threat these days. We have enough laws in place to prosecute those who use guns illegally.
It's time to use these laws instead of trying to enact more, useless, laws that affect only the law abiding gun owners.
If we can stop mass shootings before they occur then further legislation will be pushed aside. We all know it's useless.
It's time to put these misguided kids on notice. Looking for attention will get it.... from Big Brother.
However, I fear it will only cause the true future mass shooters to just keep it all to themselves. No posts of any kind.

larryh1108 said:

However, I fear it will only cause the true future mass shooters to just keep it all to themselves. No posts of any kind.

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Psychologically speaking, it is my understanding that people communicate threats when they don’t want to act violently. It is done as a means to avoid violence in the hope that the other party stands down. I suspect given the notoriety factor with these mass casualty events that there are other factors at play.

Yes, the ones that stay silent are the ones that will be the most dangerous.

In this case, and other similar, several Good Points made addressing if or when it is appropriate to deprive one of their Liberty~ies.

This kids mother didn't seem to take his actions too seriously,,?
All in All I would Hope that this "Young Man's " >Constitutional Rights< are recognized and he gets Fair Due Process, which is unlike what is currently being proposed for others.
Also, it appears that the Father's M16(?) and or the mothers gun , per the video, ( which are private property ) were not seized or taken.

The El Paso perp's mother did contact Law Enforcement and knowing the final result of her concern's, did she take her concern far enough? I mean seems from what Little that was reported on her contacting Law Enforcement it is very possible she harbored other concerns as well.

The Dayton perp was communicating ( in all forms ) threats , for apparently, a while. The result in that case is his Friends(??) distanced themselves from him because of his , views?

The Parkland perp had been reported to all levels of government and different agencies / offices ( including FBI ?) many, many times and we all know that outcome.

Many of these Evil shootings have been talked about, communicated, portrayed, in Advance and in some cases Well In Advance of the Diabolical Events taking Place.

So with The Uniparty wanting and waiting to address the fact that a few "Deranged Individuals" are killing people with firearms by "Trashing Our Constitution" , where is the balance or line in which a person should be looked at closer ~ detained and sort out their true(?) intention~s?
BTW, I am Not insensitive to these Evil acts and my opinion of > a few "Deranged Individuals"< when taken in context of our entire population and percentage compared to other bad ways people die is lower.
As we all know, misuse of a firearm~s used in crime Grabs the Headline~s , well unless it's around Chicago and the like.

Police arrest boy for making online threats to shoot up the school


Moment cops arrest a 15-year-old boy who 'threatened on a gaming site to take his father's assault weapon to school and shoot at least seven people' - but claims he was 'joking' Bodycam footage shows the officers at the teenager's Holly Hill home on Friday Seabreeze High School student allegedly wrote on Discord: 'I Dalton Barnhart vow to bring my fathers m15 to school and kill seven people at a minimum'

The comment was reported to the FBI, and the FBI contacted local police In the clip the boy's mom pleads with officers, telling them: 'He's just a little kid' Police say the teen admitted making the comment but claimed it was a 'joke'

Other gamers are said to have warned him against making the threat

The teenager was charged with threatening to discharge a destructive device
This is the moment police arrested a 15-year-old boy who they say threatened on a gaming site to bring his father's assault weapon to his Florida school to shoot seven people 'at a minimum'.
Bodycam footage shows the officers at the teenager's Holly Hill home after he is said to have written on the game platform Discord: 'I Dalton Barnhart vow to bring my fathers m15 to school and kill seven people at a minimum.'
The Seabreeze High School student, who was using a fake name, was charged with threatening to discharge a destructive device, the Volusia County Sheriff's Office said Monday.
The comment was reported to the FBI, and the FBI contacted local police after tracing his username FalconWarrior920 and internet address to his home.


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