State of emergency question

Pretty sure they did during Katrina
 
(Michigan v. Fisher)
"Law enforcement officers may enter a home without a warrant to render emergency assistance to an injured occupant or to protect an occupant from imminent injury, if they have an objectively reasonable basis for believing that a person within the house is in need of immediate aid."

Wording and definitions in the Governors State emergency declaration plays in to it a lot.
 
Armed4defense said:
I think there was a state law passed in NC that prevents that - you can tell them that as they breach your door:(
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Assuming this is real, assuming “they” respect it...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_North_Carolina

States of emergencyEdit
Recent[when?] changes to North Carolina law removed the prohibition on legal gun owners from carrying lawfully possessed firearms during a declared state of emergency via the Emergency Management Act.

Pursuant to North Carolina's Emergency Management Act (Chapter 166A of the General Statutes) local governments may impose restrictions on dangerous weapons such as explosives, incendiary devices, and radioactive materials and devices when a state of emergency is declared but may not impose restrictions on lawfully possessed firearms.[5]:30

Prior to October 1, 2012,[43] firearms could not be legally transported or possessed off of one's own premises during a declared state of emergency or in the immediate vicinity of a riot, except for law enforcement and military personnel in the performance of their duties.[44] On March 29, 2012, the provision barring the carry and possession of a firearm during a declared state of emergency was declared unconstitutional by a US Federal Court (No. 5:10-CV-265-H (E.D.N.C. filed Mar. 29, 2012)).[full citation needed]
 
Jeppo said:
“No one will be able to be armed. We will take all weapons”.

:eek:
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There are few things I'd speak of with certainty...

...but I'm thinking it's a safe bet that wouldn't go over so well and easy in the non-urban parts of our state(s).
 
9outof10mms said:
There are few things I'd speak of with certainty...

...but I'm thinking it's a safe bet that wouldn't go over so well and easy in the non-urban parts of our state(s).
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My first reaction too. I was thinkin’, “In this part of ‘Merica, they’d better bring some big trucks”. :)
 
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OK, some levity to this situation. When Canton, NC flooded they had to go door to door checking houses. They called them the X men because they painted an X on doors of houses they checked. I'll assume they knock first but don't know for sure. Then they enter the house, looking for injured or dead. Happened on the coast during the last few hurricanes I would bet. The reality is, in limited situations they need the ability to clear areas to ensure everyone is accounted for. But removing people forcefully is a very different topic. I have no issue with people staying. And I have no issue with emergency services informing them that they are completely on their own if they stay.
 
chiefjason said:
OK, some levity to this situation. When Canton, NC flooded they had to go door to door checking houses. They called them the X men because they painted an X on doors of houses they checked. I'll assume they knock first but don't know for sure. Then they enter the house, looking for injured or dead. Happened on the coast during the last few hurricanes I would bet. The reality is, in limited situations they need the ability to clear areas to ensure everyone is accounted for. But removing people forcefully is a very different topic. I have no issue with people staying. And I have no issue with emergency services informing them that they are completely on their own if they stay.
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The x is used to impart information to the rescuers who come after the initial check. You paint the x and put information in a certain quadrant for the what you found in the structure.





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chiefjason said:
They called them the X men because they painted an X on doors of houses they checked.
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It's starts with just a line, and when they come back out they finish the X and then put info in various parts of it to indicate what they found (dead, wounded, etc). I used to know it, they taught it as part of the CERT training for us civilian responders.

Those of you who are crafty may want to look it up... if something happens and you don't want the state kicking in your door, just mark your own house. They'll see you've already been "checked on" and move on.
 
Kinda looks like when Joshua marked the houses of the Jews so the Angel of death would pass them over in Egypt They are doing this to protect us guys.
 
By the time you get an X on the door, the door is the least of your worries. You're getting ready for a long talk with the insurance company anyway. I don't think replacing or fixing the door will be the largest cost you are looking at.

Just because some of it gets miss used does not mean all of it is nefarious. But when it is feel free to raise absolute hell about it. To be honest, I think the starkest contrast would be how rural vs urban areas respond. In most cases it's the urban areas that really push these things past the limit.
 
chiefjason said:
Just because some of it gets miss used does not mean all of it is nefarious. But when it is feel free to raise absolute hell about it. To be honest, I think the starkest contrast would be how rural vs urban areas respond. In most cases it's the urban areas that really push these things past the limit.
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I don't want the damned govt. thinking they need to come save me regardless. I don't like them thinking they have deigned themselves some sort of right to enter MY property without permission, which I see as part of the mindset that people are subjects of the State, not the other way around.

I'm sure these folks think they're doing good by doing this, but it makes me want to get Door Armor and a massive door. More and more I'm starting to understand the properties out in the rural area with massive fencing and razor wire. I want govt. out of life and out of my business. If the side effect of that is a lack of "support" during an "emergency" so be it. I grew up prior to the 911 dial a prayer and wou,d happily go back to the days before where people didn't count on "government" for squat.
 
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Here is the thing,IIRC during Hugo there wasnt any rescue teams picking up people that were dumb enough to stay on barrier islands. I saw a few sheriffs keeping people off the islands unless you could show a utility bill as an owner. Mostly I remember a bunch of regular people with chainsaws and trucks helping each other out.

Anything outside of that I'm not fond of especially if you come in like a occupational force.
 
Ikarus1 said:
Anything outside of that I'm not fond of especially if you come in like a occupational force.
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People have gotten too accustomed to doing nothing for themselves and relying upon some government "authority".
 
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Yep. I guess it has been 30 years
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Jeppo said:
I was also wondering whether it’d be possible to volunteer to assist on the “firearms collection” squad. I’d be happy to participate, particularly given the chance at the homes of, let’s say, @BatteryOaksBilly, @Prosecutor, @Cocked & Locked, @Have gun-will travel, for example. :D
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I don't think you would like the outcome at Billy's place or at My place. Sorry but I can't speak for the others. That crap don't go around here.
 
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noway2 said:
I don't want the damned govt. thinking they need to come save me regardless. I don't like them thinking they have deigned themselves some sort of right to enter MY property without permission, which I see as part of the mindset that people are subjects of the State, not the other way around.

I'm sure these folks think they're doing good by doing this, but it makes me want to get Door Armor and a massive door. More and more I'm starting to understand the properties out in the rural area with massive fencing and razor wire. I want govt. out of life and out of my business. If the side effect of that is a lack of "support" during an "emergency" so be it. I grew up prior to the 911 dial a prayer and wou,d happily go back to the days before where people didn't count on "government" for squat.
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Well, the places this happens most are not "community" anymore. Society has become too transient for that bond to form. Where it is formed, Gov tends to not be needed or wanted to do those things. I have no problem with them looking and checking, because the uproar for not doing it would be tremendous. And in some cases there is no local family to do it either. I'm all for them leaving anyone alone that tells them too as well. When they conflate checking unoccupied building for emptying occupied ones by force they are crossing a line IMO. And the reality is, in most cases these structures are severely damaged and a lot cannot be occupied safely any more. It's not just some Gov responsibility to ensure no one is there that needs help, it's also the humane thing to do. And lets be honest, a lot of these building are cleared by local emergency services too. Those guys actually feel like they are doing their community a service by checking on their neighbors.

When we had the tornado come through I cut the tree out of the road to clear it. I left what was hung in the power lines for the power company. Once they dropped it out of the lines I cut it up and took it to a buddy of mine. Saw a lot of that going on around here too. There are still plenty of folks willing to help out. But lots of suburbanites don't have the gear, or the place to store it if they wanted it. Which is why these things play out so differently in urban vs suburban vs rural areas. You may be capable of living off the grid for weeks but if you are in a one bedroom apt in the city you don't have the space to store more than a couple days worth of supplies.

It's not a ones size fits all problem or solution.
 
  • Single Slash: This means that FEMA responders have gone inside and that a building search is in progress. This helps reduce duplication of search effort, and lets other responders know where their teams are searching.
  • X with Writing in Quadrants: This means that a search has been completed.
    • Left Quadrant: Search team’s identifier “tag”, usually a short acronym or military number.
    • Top Quadrant: Time and date search team left the building.
    • Right Quadrant: List of hazards present (if any)
    • Bottom Quadrant: Number of survivors and bodies found. Usually noted in that order: 0/0 for no survivors and no corpses.
  • X with a Box around it: This means “Do Not Enter”, usually because it is dangerous.
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A large X with a box around it on the side of your house tells search parties, the military, and others who know the markings that it is not safe to enter your house. Paired with light and noise discipline, this could be a great deterrent to intruders in a SHTF scenario. Since your house may not look particularly dangerous, tagging the FEMA X and filling in some info may be the better choice.
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https://www.trueprepper.com/urban-search-rescue-markings-know/

also found this:
https://www.fema.gov/pdf/emergency/usr/usr_23_20080205_rog.pdf

scroll to page 5-5 (39th page) (TOC is not correct)
 
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Majicmike said:
Can or will the military/LEO Enter your home without a warrant in a state of emergency?
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In a word, yes. They can do anything they like as long as the state's controllers will back them up. And there's nothing you can do in the moment to stop them. Oh, yeah, and if you have a dog, odds are good they'll shoot it.
 
JT said:
In a word, yes. They can do anything they like as long as the state's controllers will back them up. And there's nothing you can do in the moment to stop them. Oh, yeah, and if you have a dog, odds are good they'll shoot it.
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Its a sure thing I'll be shooting also.
 
When I deployed to Katrina as an Agent For The Man, the people with whom I worked (USN, USCG, NOPD, and some federal LE) never did anything with anything we saw that was illegal (some guns, mostly drugs). We entered buildings (residences and buildings) to search for people. Everything we saw that was illegal, we left in situ.

Edited to add, it was never 'no-knock', either: we always banged on doors, windows, whatever. If people came to the door, fine; they either voluntarily came or we jotted names and numbers of folks and left. If no one came, we entered to search for people.
 
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chiefjason said:
By the time you get an X on the door, the door is the least of your worries. You're getting ready for a long talk with the insurance company anyway. I don't think replacing or fixing the door will be the largest cost you are looking at.

Just because some of it gets miss used does not mean all of it is nefarious. But when it is feel free to raise absolute hell about it. To be honest, I think the starkest contrast would be how rural vs urban areas respond. In most cases it's the urban areas that really push these things past the limit.
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Yeah and that is mostly because in urban areas nobody knows anybody. In rural areas everybody knows everybody and we look out for each other.

Good example of that: park an unknown vehicle in my drive way and get out and start wandering around the yard. Won't be long before my neighbor comes over and asks who you are.
 
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gunbelt said:
Its a sure thing I'll be shooting also.
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Things like this make me realize why some people put 8' fencing with razor wire around their property. It also makes me feel the need to take preventative measures that would thwart this type of behavior.

As I said or alluded to above, the sanctity of my space, my property is far more valuable to me than the security theater offered by the idea that govt. thugs will commit break in and entry presumably to "save" me.

I don't know when this mindset shift occurred in this (former) country to where govt. goons got the idea that this is an acceptable going to do.
 
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