State of emergency question

Schattenreiter said:
Yeah and that is mostly because in urban areas nobody knows anybody. In rural areas everybody knows everybody and we look out for each other.

Good example of that: park an unknown vehicle in my drive way and get out and start wandering around the yard. Won't be long before my neighbor comes over and asks who you are.
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That's not really true; at least not in my experience, and it certainly wasn't true in NO. People were very concerned about neighbors. I would agree that neighbors in rural areas probably do know each other more/better, though. Also depends on type of neighborhood: a city block where the same families have lived for 30 years will have a different flavor than a block of apartments by a college where everyone is there for a couple years and then gone.
 
Sure thing
https://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/09/us/nationalspecial/police-begin-seizing-guns-of-civilians.html

"Police officers and federal law enforcement agents scoured the city carrying assault rifles seeking residents who have holed up to avoid forcible eviction, as well as those who are still considering evacuating voluntarily to escape the city's putrid waters."

"Individuals are at risk of dying," said P. Edwin Compass III, the superintendent of the New Orleans police. "There's nothing more important than the preservation of human life." - Sure there is. Something called liberty.
 
noway2 said:
Things like this make me realize why some people put 8' fencing with razor wire around their property. It also makes me feel the need to take preventative measures that would thwart this type of behavior.

As I said or alluded to above, the sanctity of my space, my property is far more valuable to me than the security theater offered by the idea that govt. thugs will commit break in and entry presumably to "save" me.

I don't know when this mindset shift occurred in this (former) country to where govt. goons got the idea that this is an acceptable going to do.
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Not sure I understand the premise. If you come to the door and don't want to leave (natural disaster), fine. But I am not sure anyone is breaking down the door before a disaster to "save" you. After your house is under 6' of water and no one comes to the door, maybe.

I read the article above, and that experience did not jive with mine (of course I was there after the fact and have no idea what happened outside of my 10 square feet). We never forced people to leave.
 
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Chuckman said:
Not sure I understand the premise. If you come to the door and don't want to leave (natural disaster), fine. But I am not sure anyone is breaking down the door before a disaster to "save" you. After your house is under 6' of water and no one comes to the door, maybe.
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See my post directly above you. YOU may not have personally saw it, but that element was certainly there during Katrina.
 
Chuckman said:
Not sure I understand the premise. If you come to the door and don't want to leave (natural disaster), fine. But I am not sure anyone is breaking down the door before a disaster to "save" you. After your house is under 6' of water and no one comes to the door, maybe.
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You just said that if nobody answers you'd forcibly enter their personal residence without permission. I have an objection to that, and I don't care if the excuse is that you did it to see if I needed or wanted your help. For that matter, if I saw cops at the door, I probably wouldn't answer it to start with.
 
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@Ikarus1 , see my post above.

@noway2 , we were doing searches/rescues and evacuations. By the point of Katrina, after the storm when I was involved, if you were in and didn't answer the door, you were a body to be recovered. Frankly, if people stayed and didn't want the help, Darwin was involved.

Before a disaster, come to the door or don't, I don't and never cared.
 
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None of this is jiving with what is well known about Katrina man, I'm sorry. I doubt there would have been a NRA lawsuit, and a law passed in 2006 about this type of stuff happening if it wasn't true.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/27087738/ns/us_news-life/t/nra-settle-suit-over-katrina-gun-seizures/

"In response, the city argued that federal law doesn't apply to the plaintiffs' claims against city officials "because the right to keep and bear arms has never been recognized as a fundamental individual right.""

If they're gonna disarm you, they're not gonna take "I'm sorry, go away" for an answer.
 
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Ikarus1 said:
None of this is jiving with what is well known about Katrina man, I'm sorry. I doubt there would have been a NRA lawsuit, and a law passed in 2006 about this type of stuff happening if it wasn't true.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/27087738/ns/us_news-life/t/nra-settle-suit-over-katrina-gun-seizures/

"In response, the city argued that federal law doesn't apply to the plaintiffs' claims against city officials "because the right to keep and bear arms has never been recognized as a fundamental individual right.""

If they're gonna disarm you, they're not gonna take "I'm sorry, go away" for an answer.
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I am not doubting the veracity of your sources. I don't know what happened before the storm, or what happened outside of my little slice of heaven, after the storm. I never forced anyone to get into my basket, and I never found out what happened later on. What you are referencing doesn't jive with my experiences there, though.
 
Some folks here insist on using Katrina as a model. Katrina was an example of everything that could go wrong with emergency operations and became a lesson on what not to do for the Govt. Don't expect it to happen again.
 
J R Green said:
Some folks here insist on using Katrina as a model. Katrina was an example of everything that could go wrong with emergency operations and became a lesson on what not to do for the Govt. Don't expect it to happen again.
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Sure thing. Or there's last year in Puerto Rico. Or last week in Abaco Island, Bahamas where they have no codified RKBA and armed gangs are looting and robbing whoever and whatever is left. Sure thing it's just a one time thing there chief.

I use Katrina because mainly, it wasn't that damn long ago and secondly, it was an American city where the police acted as badly or worse than the criminals. But trust us, it won't happen again :rolleyes:
 
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Katrina was a CF of epic proportions. From a SAR/EM perspective, there were a lot of lessons learned that have gone forward. But far too many lessons we learned and forgot and never left Louisiana. @Ikarus1 highlighted the most glowing recent examples. But Katrina was a great model for what not to do.
 
J R Green said:
Some folks here insist on using Katrina as a model. Katrina was an example of everything that could go wrong with emergency operations and became a lesson on what not to do for the Govt. Don't expect it to happen again.
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What would the .gov do differently? Shoot upon entering? (poke, poke) Lessons were learned, quite a few lessons.

Yes, probably the next one will be different. The impulse to 'control' will probably still be present. Hope it isn't but time will be proof one way or another.
 
Ikarus1 said:
Sure thing. Or there's last year in Puerto Rico. Or last week in Abaco Island, Bahamas where they have no codified RKBA and armed gangs are looting and robbing whoever and whatever is left. Sure thing it's just a one time thing there chief.

I use Katrina because mainly, it wasn't that damn long ago and secondly, it was an American city where the police acted as badly or worse than the criminals. But trust us, it won't happen again :rolleyes:
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I just busted my phone screen hitting the like button.
 
rdinatal said:
What would the .gov do differently? Shoot upon entering? (poke, poke) Lessons were learned, quite a few lessons.

Yes, probably the next one will be different. The impulse to 'control' will probably still be present. Hope it isn't but time will be proof one way or another.
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Just like we always plan for the last war, we always plan for the last disaster. They are never the same; the responses will never be the same, but will always be outdated.
 
Ikarus1 said:
Sure thing. Or there's last year in Puerto Rico. Or last week in Abaco Island, Bahamas where they have no codified RKBA and armed gangs are looting and robbing whoever and whatever is left. Sure thing it's just a one time thing there chief.

I use Katrina because mainly, it wasn't that damn long ago and secondly, it was an American city where the police acted as badly or worse than the criminals. But trust us, it won't happen again :rolleyes:
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Using what happens in foreign countries as an example? It's your fantasy chief, have at it.
 
J R Green said:
Using what happens in foreign countries as an example? It's your fantasy chief, have at it.
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Puerto Rico is a US territory, and they vote in US elections. Their citizens are considered US Citizens since oh about 1917. That's why Trump was there throwing out paper towels.
 
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Chuckman said:
That's not really true; at least not in my experience, and it certainly wasn't true in NO. People were very concerned about neighbors. I would agree that neighbors in rural areas probably do know each other more/better, though. Also depends on type of neighborhood: a city block where the same families have lived for 30 years will have a different flavor than a block of apartments by a college where everyone is there for a couple years and then gone.
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Agreed. I live in the country and know my neighbours. They're some of the folks I worry about, ones a self admitted felon and the folks a door or two down seem to be running a dope house.
 
J R Green said:
Using what happens in foreign countries as an example? It's your fantasy chief, have at it.
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Yes, the American people so much more intelligent and understanding than any other people that ever existed. Americans are above that. We will NEVER have any Government or Person that is as Power hungry as previous generations. We live in a Utopia. We are so much more Civilized than any humans to ever walk the Earth. We are the special ones.
 
Majicmike said:
Yes, the American people so much more intelligent and understanding than any other people that ever existed. Americans are above that. We will NEVER have any Government or Person that is as Power hungry as previous generations. We live in a Utopia. We are so much more Civilized than any humans to ever walk the Earth. We are the special ones.
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What's ironic is that the Bahamas were settled largely by those loyal to the Crown during the American War for Independence. I feel like some people here would take that same deal today lol.
 
Hey Look!, Little Marco and the rest of the usual suspects say "We are from the government (of another foreign country) and we are here to help!"

https://www.wlrn.org/post/senator-m...aid-bahamas-hurricane-dorian-recovery-efforts

Darn those foreign countries and their response to disasters using US taxpayer funds.

"And here's why: we can't have a bunch of pleasure crafts (boats) taking off to the Bahamas or airplanes trying to land over there, because while we appreciate people wanting to help, it has to be organized to the Bahamian authorities so that they know where to go. If we deliver a bunch of stuff they don't need, you're creating a problem for them. If we're taking it to the wrong place, you're creating a problem for them. We've got to take it to the right place where they can then distribute it."

Sure, Marco. Just like PR knew how to distribute it. No way someone like Samaritan's Purse, the Red Cross, or the Cajun Navy could possible know how to respond to a disaster :rolleyes:
 
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Ikarus1 said:
Hey Look!, Little Marco and the rest of the usual suspects say "We are from the government (of another foreign country) and we are here to help!"

https://www.wlrn.org/post/senator-m...aid-bahamas-hurricane-dorian-recovery-efforts

Darn those foreign countries and their response to disasters using US taxpayer funds.

"And here's why: we can't have a bunch of pleasure crafts (boats) taking off to the Bahamas or airplanes trying to land over there, because while we appreciate people wanting to help, it has to be organized to the Bahamian authorities so that they know where to go. If we deliver a bunch of stuff they don't need, you're creating a problem for them. If we're taking it to the wrong place, you're creating a problem for them. We've got to take it to the right place where they can then distribute it."

Sure, Marco. Just like PR knew how to distribute it. No way someone like Samaritan's Purse, the Red Cross, or the Cajun Navy could possible know how to respond to a disaster :rolleyes:
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I agree, and I disagree. I have no issue with using our craft to transport supplies, I have no problem with anchoring a hospital ship offshore. I don't have any problems with the SeaBees rebuilding, and CCTs directing air traffic (a la Port au Prince). But we don't need to be their sugar daddy, nor do we need to supplant NGOs from doing what they are experts in doing.
 
Chuckman said:
I agree, and I disagree. I have no issue with using our craft to transport supplies, I have no problem with anchoring a hospital ship offshore. I don't have any problems with the SeaBees rebuilding, and CCTs directing air traffic (a la Port au Prince). But we don't need to be their sugar daddy, nor do we need to supplant NGOs from doing what they are experts in doing.
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Last I saw he was asking Trump to waive Visa requirements for Bahamians. I thought they were basically a English protectorate with the Queen as their Monarch. Let them emigrate to the UK.

We have Puerto Rico and about 25 million illegal aliens to take care of already
 
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Ikarus1 said:
Last I saw he was asking Trump to waive Visa requirements for Bahamians. I thought they were basically a English protectorate with the Queen as their Monarch. Let them emigrate to the UK.

We have Puerto Rico and about 25 million illegal aliens to take care of already
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I doubt they want to move to the UK.
 
Ikarus1 said:
Last I saw he was asking Trump to waive Visa requirements for Bahamians. I thought they were basically a English protectorate with the Queen as their Monarch. Let them emigrate to the UK.

We have Puerto Rico and about 25 million illegal aliens to take care of already
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No, just...no... I totally agree....
 
Schattenreiter said:
And ours is different how???? Both sides want to steer the ship. Don't care if it goes down as long as they are steering when it does.
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The people back home are already disarmed, totally cowed and already have their heads in the killing frame.
 
JT said:
In a word, yes. They can do anything they like as long as the state's controllers will back them up. And there's nothing you can do in the moment to stop them. Oh, yeah, and if you have a dog, odds are good they'll shoot it.
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If Somebody shoots my dog their ass will die . I guarantee it.
 
She's from the government and shes here to help (her crooked buddies)

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/10/fem...ane-maria-recovery-effort-in-puerto-rico.html

A former administrator of the Federal Emergency Management Agency was arrested Tuesday for taking bribes from the president of a company that landed $1.8 billion in federal contracts to repair Puerto Rico's electrical grid after Hurricane Maria devastated the island.....
 
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They wasted their time disarming the public in Nawlins.

Chris Kyle was on the Superdome roof and had already taken out all the looters.
 
NKD said:
They wasted their time disarming the public in Nawlins.

Chris Kyle was on the Superdome roof and had already taken out all the looters.
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Lootie lives
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https://www.ar15.com/forums/General...OTIE-YESTERDAY--PICS--Pg-31-/5-609467/?page=1
 
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These are the people who told you the government will save you and protect you, after all guns are gone. The government has their heads too.

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90% of LEO and federal LEO will follow orders. They already have explicit orders on when and how they can get around silly things like Warrants... If they want to kick in your door, they will.

Ask me how I know. I've kicked in a few doors...

I see those III% stickers on pickup trucks. But 90% of those dudes are no longer on active duty.

If stuff hits the fan, the majority of LEO and military will comply and come to take you out.

Just wait and see.
 
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