I really must not have made my point. I am not saying the Constitution, 2nd amendment does not give us the Right. There is no denying that. Im just saying I think we are going to far. We are beginning to look like a bunch of war mongering, irresponsible, gun toting idiots to a lot of people that would otherwise normally be on our side. We are losing it. We need those people.
Walmart to stop selling handgun ammunition, will ask customers not to open carry
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I was fortunate to come across the material linked below.
Some may have seen it, some not.
It concisely explains our 2A, full circle.
Please share as needed.
Frankly, I believe all members of congress should review the material as well, or not.
https://www.carolinafirearmsforum.c...clause-operative-clause-simple-as-that.48880/
So, you are against assault rifles, extended mags, suppressors, open carry, concealed carry and more? Please tell us the rest of the list of gun rights that we should be giving up. Your first name wouldn't happen to be Elmer, would it?
The most dangerous words a gun owner can hear!
Those who wrote the constitution has just finished defeating a tyrannical government using citizen owned firearms. Hunting had as much to do with the 2nd amendment as poetry had to do with the 1st. Up until the civil war, the concept of a citizen soldier was front and center in all communities minds. For decades after the civil war there has been a steady dulling of the spear that was the citizen soldier over the large organized professional army (that the founding fathers were fearful of).
While there are young fudds...nothing drives me more crazy than hearing some old timer talking about how he grew up with guns, but he doesn't understand these young whipper snappers and their scary black rifles and self defense pistols on their hips. Perhaps if that older generation did a better job we wouldn't be having to remind them of the true meaning of the 2nd amendment, and if they had perhaps raised a generation that settles its disputes with fists rather than bullets we wouldn't need to carry firearms.
While there are young fudds...nothing drives me more crazy than hearing some old timer talking about how he grew up with guns, but he doesn't understand these young whipper snappers and their scary black rifles and self defense pistols on their hips. Perhaps if that older generation did a better job we wouldn't be having to remind them of the true meaning of the 2nd amendment, and if they had perhaps raised a generation that settles its disputes with fists rather than bullets we wouldn't need to carry firearms.
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Not trying to be hateful or anything, but that’s how I read it too. The 2nd amendment is not about hunting. I don’t care if my choice of rifles or magazines offend/trigger/upset anyone.
I agree with you 100%. But most people don't read statistics. They read the so called news. A lot of people feel uncomfortable when they walk into food lion or walmart with kids and in walks a guy dressed in camo with a gun in his waist. A lot of people dont see a so called assault rifle as a sporting rifle. They see those on tv and in movies killing People. Thats what they associate them with, Killing People. Not as a home defense gun not as a sporting gun. What I'm saying is we need people on our side. Not just gun owners. We need all Constitution, Freedom, America lovers we can get. We have to change our image. We are going to lose it all. When the 2nd Amendment falls so will the Whole Constitution.
These are not and will never be the same people.
Yeah...you are going to enjoy your time here.
If someone is such a weak and callow person that they react as you have described above, then my going into hiding so as not to offend their delicate sensibilities is just something I am not willing to do.
On the contrary...people need to see them, learn about them, become familiar with their use and capabilities. People need to know that there are CCW holders all around them, and *gasp* not shooting them like its the wild west!
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And FWIW...somebody in Brownells’ marketing department deserves a bonus. 
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The explosion of the sales of the AR15, the increase of concealed carry, and the last 6 years of Obama being the worlds best gun salesman tells me you're wrong about the people.
And the popularity of shows like the ten seasons of The Walking Dead which features guns being uses to mostly protect people also is counter to the argument being presented currently.
Gun culture is stronger than ever in the US
And the popularity of shows like the ten seasons of The Walking Dead which features guns being uses to mostly protect people also is counter to the argument being presented currently.
Gun culture is stronger than ever in the US
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Absolutely Choice,, !
Priceless,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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I’m sorry, I’m tired of changing my image to suit others, because it’s NEVER ENOUGH!
Can’t tell dirty jokes anymore,
Can’t be openly Christian anymore,
Can’t be masculine anymore,
Can’t be conservative,
Can’t say merry Christmas anymore,
Can’t be prideful southern anymore,
Can’t speak freely with out being accused of whatever “isim” the SJW’s are screaming about that day.
Can’t be a gun owner because blah blah blah.
I’ve had it! Me and my guns have never committed a crime! Stop telling me why I’m the problem!
The problem is we have let this BS go on for far to long. We have stayed silent tooooo long letting people label law abiding gun owners as the problem!
OoooH!
ROFLMAO Times 100
I need some F-ing Oxygen! NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I want one, no, three or four!
My very own FW-15
FW doesn't mean Focke-Wulf either !
Then you should be because the 2A does not "give us" anything. It merely guarantees the right. The right already belongs to us.
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If you don't want your money going to companies that won't support your rights, where will be left to shop?
I see Amazon mentioned a lot on this thread, but I'm sure we all know AZ isn't exactly a big friend of 2A either. I had switched from them to Walmart for online ordering - this now leaves even fewer options.
What happens when this becomes truly pervasive?
IMHO,
Amazon has become WAY Too Large.
IMHO, Amazon and the rest of the big names are either officially partnered with or are in cahoots with Big Bro.
Ok, You have had it .. Now what are you going to do? You going to pull that gun and start shooting? Or are you going to try to get those people to come over to our side. You going to show those people you are some kind of a he-man tough guy with a gun? Or are you going to show those people that you are a responsible, legal gun owner that needs not be feared by the public. The media and anti gun nuts try to paint every gun owner as crazed gun toting idiots that can't wait to pull the trigger everyday. Mom walks into food lion with her two young kids and here comes some guy with a gun tucked in his waistband. She remembers all that crap on tv. What she going to think? What is she going to do? She's going to get nervous, scared. And when it's time to vote??????
i dont completely disagree with you - i think we definitely have a pr problem. but is the answer to cower in the corner and hide?
if the only exposure non-gunowners have is thru media and hollywood , well - we've seen how thats been working out for us. they constantly work to demonize and vilify guns and gunowners.
rather than go underground, i would think it would behoove us if they saw how many carried, were able to identify them and saw they were just normal law abiding people living their lives.
we should be using every opportunity to reach out to connect with people or eeducate them. we need to show gunowners in a positive light and rebuke the right wing gun nut stereotype. there are going to be people that cant be reasoned with, but we were never going to change their minds anyway. but there are so many people out there that just dont know any better - all they know is what the media and politicians tell them.
walking around like a tacticool ninja isnt helping our image - but neither is hiding in the closet. they need to see us as the normal people we are.
And just what the hell am I supposed to do about any of this? I don't control the media, the movies, the TV, or other people.
"We have to change our image."
What you're inferring is that gun owners/activists need to accommodate the very people who would just as soon see us all wiped out.
These guys all know me here. They know that I'm just an easy going mountain guy. I don't get into the cat fights.
Except for one thing; When someone takes it upon themselves to proclaim holier than thou. Now you got my attention.
I'll be honest with you. It's readily apparent that you have some sense of shame about your association with guns.
Well, that's on you. I resent your attempt at projecting your shame upon myself and the others here. You've been here 2 weeks and come out swinging and preaching to the rest of us about how we should conduct ourselves. You have absolutely no business telling anyone how they should live.
Why don't you go the the waistband gun guy in food lion and give him a good dressing down instead of insisting it's someone else's problem?
You just keep walking don't you.
I'm in Asheville every damn day going to peoples houses. Asheville is not the Republican Headquarters in case you didn't know. The first thing they see when I pull in is my GLOCK PERFECTION front license plate. When they see the back of my van and the molon labe, BCM Gunfighter, and Walther decals they become quite aware of who just pulled in.
After an hour of talking with me, they love me. Full blown freaktard hippie far outs. I am the presentation of the like-able gun owner. I've done more to convince the enemy that I am not the enemy in the last three months than you've done in your entire lifetime.
Don't you ever come on here again and tell me what to do.
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Also, not everyone pays attention to the "media". The ratings on those shows like AC360 and Hannity have fallen so far it is nearly laughable.
My kids have almost NEVER watched the nightly news. Ever. Two of them are voting age. They don't watch THE VIEW. None of their friends get their news from CNN, FOX, MSNBC, etc. They don't read The Atlantic, VOX, DailyKos, DailyCaller, or Drudge Report. They barely know who Oprah is.
Mostly when they want to find out about something, they do their own research, either on their phone or the computer, then ask me or Mom our opinion, and then form their own independent conclusions.
The new young family in their 20s with a little girl that moved in next door, last year, when I told them I will be sighting in my hunting rifle in the back yard told me "Go Ahead, we like guns". I verified several times with them, and they were like "It doesn't bother us". So that was basically the green light for me to continue to shoot in the backyard while I was building my range at another property. Same with the next neighbor that moved in, from NY state. She told me her brother is exactly like me, loves guns and is a crazy redneck that makes us look tame.
So this broad brush you paint others with isn't exactly the reflection of what myself and others have experienced.
And btw, that mom with 2 kids at Food Lion is probably either staring at her phone, or busy shopping to be staring at someone's waistband. Same goes for her kids.
Every heard of project appleseed? Their home range is in Ramseur, and I would suggest everyone take a kid there and teach them some marksmenship and some US history.
My kids have almost NEVER watched the nightly news. Ever. Two of them are voting age. They don't watch THE VIEW. None of their friends get their news from CNN, FOX, MSNBC, etc. They don't read The Atlantic, VOX, DailyKos, DailyCaller, or Drudge Report. They barely know who Oprah is.
Mostly when they want to find out about something, they do their own research, either on their phone or the computer, then ask me or Mom our opinion, and then form their own independent conclusions.
The new young family in their 20s with a little girl that moved in next door, last year, when I told them I will be sighting in my hunting rifle in the back yard told me "Go Ahead, we like guns". I verified several times with them, and they were like "It doesn't bother us". So that was basically the green light for me to continue to shoot in the backyard while I was building my range at another property. Same with the next neighbor that moved in, from NY state. She told me her brother is exactly like me, loves guns and is a crazy redneck that makes us look tame.
So this broad brush you paint others with isn't exactly the reflection of what myself and others have experienced.
And btw, that mom with 2 kids at Food Lion is probably either staring at her phone, or busy shopping to be staring at someone's waistband. Same goes for her kids.
Every heard of project appleseed? Their home range is in Ramseur, and I would suggest everyone take a kid there and teach them some marksmenship and some US history.
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Keep on doing what I have been doing, going to pro gun rallies, counter protests, contact my reps by email phone & snail mail.
Don’t assume you know me and what I have and haven’t done in defense of my rights. I hunt with my AR’s I defend my home wither them, don’t tell me I should be willing to give up my rifle to better your opinion of what a gun owner should be.
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Also, when my daughter brought her pretty German friend to our home, she specifically wanted to shoot guns in our backyard. She couldn't believe the freedom that we had and that in Germany, only military and police and a few hunters were able to do what we could do in our backyard.
I took her thru a quick safety lesson, put her on a .22 for about 50 rounds, then went straight to the AR. She freaking loved it. Then I did the same thing with semi autos and revolvers. She ate a meal with venison and commented how we had such great freedoms and quality of life in the US.
What do you think she went home and told her friends and family?
I took her thru a quick safety lesson, put her on a .22 for about 50 rounds, then went straight to the AR. She freaking loved it. Then I did the same thing with semi autos and revolvers. She ate a meal with venison and commented how we had such great freedoms and quality of life in the US.
What do you think she went home and told her friends and family?
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@BurnedOutGeek you still have any pics of the smile on Justin’s face when we have him his AR?
@smithnwesley, there was a time when I believed this. I would also ask store owners why they posted their business with no-guns signs. And most of them would say it was because one single time, one or two guys came in OC'ing. They may have been dressed like Mormons and been the most friendly, professional looking guys ever, I don't know. But the store/business owner would describe it as "swaggering in here like Dirty Harry" (literally, I heard that), and after they left, the owner would run out and buy a gunbuster sticker. After I heard that a few times, I became convinced that the desensitization argument for OC just didn't reflect reality.
Hunters have the same dilemma. There is a place where I hunt that I share parking with families on a popular local trail. When I come out, holding a gun and (infrequently) dragging a deer, I get both good and bad reactions. I've spoken to a few, but I don't think a single person has changed their view of hunting because they saw me and my rifle on the trail. Probably just reinforced what they were already thinking, both ways. I'm not going to inflame anyone by tying the buck to the hood of the truck like a trophy, but I'm not going to stop hunting there, either.
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lol it's Locust man. They'll probably never stop selling ammo in all calibers. I haven't stepped foot in one since this BS and unless they retract, I am gonna try to refrain. And this is from me, who went there shopping for clearance crap at lunch every day
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I knew it was only a matter of time.