New .22LR From KelTec

I'd prefer a 30 round PMR30 in .22LR, but this looks interesting too. Hopefully this and the XT22 makes bigger names hop into the larger capacity .22 market.
 
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How many people have had to send their Kimbers, etc. back or have them tweaked by a gun smith to run right? I've had Springfield 1911s run like crap but I didn't bash the company. I've had approximately 10 KT guns from the P3AT up to the SU-16 and the only real problem was an ejector broke on my PF9 which I had in the mail from KT in a couple of days.

I think KT gets a lot of bad press simply because they are inexpensive. Yes they may have a higher incidence of problems but I don't believe it's all that much higher. A few things to consider:

1. They produce very compact and lightweight guns by design. Especially for pistols, this makes them more difficult to get to run reliably. The engineering and execution in many areas has to be done with smaller timing tolerances than would be the case with all steel, so just by the nature of many of their guns they are more prone to malfunction. Remember the Rohrbaugh 9mm and all the problems and finickyness with it? That's because it was so small and light, but I don't remember people trashing the brand because it was expensive.

2. Many of their guns are ground breaking designs and if you're not the early adopter type you should stay away for the first year or so, that's just the nature of the beast.

3. Inexpensive guns are just that typically not by design or even manufacturing quality, but by less QA/QC. QAing products is an expensive and time consuming process and not absolutely imperative to get the product out the door so it is typically not done to the extent it is with more expensive guns. They make up for it with excellent customer service. It works out for them because the percentage of problems vs product shipped is actually quite low (you never hear about the good ones). If you are not willing to risk having to send one in to make it right you have no business buying inexpensive guns in the first place. An exception to this rule is the High Point, but it is simple, big, and heavy (see #1).
 
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How many people have had to send their Kimbers, etc. back or have them tweaked by a gun smith to run right? I've had Springfield 1911s run like crap but I didn't bash the company. I've had approximately 10 KT guns from the PTAT up to the SU-16 and the only real problem was an ejector broke on my PF9 which I had in the mail from KT in a couple of days.

I think KT gets a lot of bad press simply because they are inexpensive. Yes they may have a higher incidence of problems but I don't believe it's all that much higher. A few things to consider:

1. They produce very compact and lightweight guns by design. Especially for pistols, this makes them more difficult to get to run reliably. The engineering and execution in many areas has to be done with smaller timing tolerances than would be the case with all steel, so just by the nature of many of their guns they are more prone to malfunction. Remember the Rohrbaugh 9mm and all the problems and finickyness with it? That's because it was so small and light, but I don't remember people trashing the brand because it was expensive.

2. Many of their guns are ground breaking designs and if you're not the early adopter type you should stay away for the first year or so, that's just the nature of the beast.

3. Inexpensive guns are just that typically not by design or even manufacturing quality, but by less QA/QC. QAing products is an expensive and time consuming process and not absolutely imperative to get the product out the door so it is typically not done to the extent it is with more expensive guns. They make up for it with excellent customer service. It works out for them because the percentage of problems vs product shipped is actually quite low (you never hear about the good ones). If you are not willing to risk having to send one in to make it right you have no business buying inexpensive guns in the first place. An exception to this rule is the High Point, but it is simple, big, and heavy (see #1).
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Other's experiences aren't mine. I've owned 3 (the third being a chunky piece of billet aluminum) of their firearms, 2 exploded. Lots of people handle copperheads and never get bit, but pulling plastic shards out of my face will sour me on a company pretty quick.

Their designs are cool, but flimsy clamshell plastic pieces screwed together ain't doing it for me based on my experiences.
 
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Other's experiences aren't mine. I've owned 3 (the third being a chunky piece of billet aluminum) of their firearms, 2 exploded. Lots of people handle copperheads and never get bit, but pulling plastic shards out of my face will sour me on a company pretty quick.

Their designs are cool, but flimsy clamshell plastic pieces screwed together ain't doing it for me based on my experiences.
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I have to admit if my experience was the same as yours I'd most likely feel the same way.
 
Only Kel-Tec I will ever really trust is the original P-32 and they didn't really design it...

But they make interesting and affordable toys...
 
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Big fan of the PF-9 here. How you feel about putting a 100 rds through it in one session:)
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Haha.... Mine has been carried so much it's ugly as sin but the slim and comfortable fit overrides the appearance and punishment it puts my old hands through when I shoot it......lol

100 rds in one session is a little much for my bones these days. :)
 
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Haha.... Mine has been carried so much it's ugly as sin but the slim and comfortable fit overrides the appearance and punishment it puts my old hands through when I shoot it......lol

100 rds in one session is a little much for my bones these days. :)
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I don’t a MLB catcher could do it with his catching hand. Great gun
 
I've been carrying the PF-9 OWB in a Don Hume OT holster for several days now. Can't even tell I'm carrying the thing.

Kel Tec now has PF-9 eight round magazines (or just the extensions if one prefers) that make the grip area straight on the front side bottom and a little longer. Three fingers around the grip helps tame the rowdy little beast.

I didn't like the buck toothed look on the front of the rail area so I removed it a couple of years ago. o_O

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Brangus said:
Haha.... Mine has been carried so much it's ugly as sin but the slim and comfortable fit overrides the appearance and punishment it puts my old hands through when I shoot it......lol

100 rds in one session is a little much for my bones these days. :)
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There are several to add to this list!!! LCP top of the list for me. All Airweight .357s.
 
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