Team America: world police

Ncmitch

Well-Known Member
Joined
Sep 11, 2019
Messages
133
Location
North Charlotte Area
Rating - 100%
8   0   0
CF0572CE-112C-4089-8F2B-33EB3865C69F.png

Last time I checked America wasn’t obligated to protect countries in the Middle East...

I thought Trump giving Bolton the Axe was a great win, now I’m thinking it was a smoke a mirrors kinda play.

Yesterday I read that he was in talks with Netanyahu about a “mutual defense treaty”... sounds more and more like all that’s happening is that the stage is being set.

And before anyone claims it’s about the oil.... America does NOT rely on middle eastern oil

I really hope we don’t get dragged into another useless war
 
I feel like the Kingdom is where we’ve done our best work in the Middle East. In short, we didn’t put effort into changing them, we accept them as they are and if they want to chop off the hands of thieves, kill girls that get raped, and make women second or third class citizens, well apparently that’s what they want. It seems barbaric to us, but until they want to change no overt external force is going to change them.

Along the same lines, I say let them fight their own wars.

How about some tinfoil hat ideas? Has anyone noticed that the Saudi’s have been begging for the world to reduce production and nobody would go along? I wonder what the break even is on the destruction of the infrastructure vs the price of oil. We’ve also said for years now that Saudi oil production has peaked, I wonder if this helps them play it out for extra time?

Edit: forgot to add, Tump is an idiot.
 
Last edited:
Maybe the Saudi’s should load up some airlines planes full of passengers and fly them into the buildings in Iran just like they did the twin towers on 9-11........ just saying
I see on the propaganda "news" sites they're now fingering Iran and threatening action. They may be fingering Iran, but it's us that will get fingered.
 
From what I’m hearing Trump is just watching. Liberia want to fight for the oppressed oil.
 
Last edited:
The bottom line is that war is profitable......to some. Massive fortunes have been made in every war by the New England families that you usually see on presidential tickets.

If there is a chance to send young men to die, and in return land lucrative, no bid contracts, the oligarchy of the west will send young men to die.
 
If Iran really did this, The House of Saud will stand a much better chance of inflicting pain on Iran at the UN. Our sanctions alone have dried up a lot of money; a security council-induced set of sanctions will work a lot better and be better for PR for them (and us).
 
I feel like the Kingdom is where we’ve done our best work in the Middle East. In short, we didn’t put effort into changing them, we accept them as they are and if they want to chop off the hands of thieves, kill girls that get raped, and make women second or third class citizens, well apparently that’s what they want. It seems barbaric to us, but until they want to change no overt external force is going to change them.

Along the same lines, I say let them fight their own wars.

How about some tinfoil hat ideas? Has anyone noticed that the Saudi’s have been begging for the world to reduce production and nobody would go along? I wonder what the break even is on the destruction of the infrastructure vs the price of oil. We’ve also said for years now that Saudi oil production has peaked, I wonder if this helps them play it out for extra time?

Edit: forgot to add, Tump is an idiot.
Agree with much of what you said, except the last sentence. Anytime I see people dismiss others who have achieved many times what they have (and I know nothing about you, but I'm willing to bet you aren't even close to Trump's level of accomplishments) as idiots it says more to me about them than the object of their disdain.
 
Last edited:
I'd really like to know what the special relationship is that we have with Saudis. They got a pass on 911, they get a pass on human rights. Whatever it is it started way before Trump. Is it just because we want to keep selling them billions of arms? I get it that we want to keep as much of the world buying our crap than the Russian's crap, but there is something unspoken about how we treat the Saudis.
 
Last edited:
I've been rooting for Trump and praying he would/will do a good job, but Hillary was a known evil. Trump you never know what is going to happen.
You won't get much argument from me on that. I just don't get the logic of not taking the best of two choices. Should I ride the bus if I can't afford the Ferrari when I could be driving a BMW? Trump is not perfect, but I believe he's the best we've had in my lifetime, well at least since Kennedy.
 
Last edited:
I'd really like to know what the special relationship is that we have with Saudis. They got a pass on 911, they get a pass on human rights. Whatever it is it started way before Trump. Is it just because we want to keep selling them billions of arms? I get it that we want to keep as much of the world buying our crap that the Russian's crap, but there is something unspoken about how we treat the Saudis.


I think there is alot to be said regarding our relationship with Saudi Arabia and Israel.... both countries who are foaming at the mouth to see a negative outcome in Iran, both countries who want American blood to be shed for their interests, not Americas.
What business is it of America to be fighting wars on the Middle East? Look at what its done thus far.
The entire conflict in the M.E. is NOT Americas fight. We only get 12% of our Oil from overseas.... this isnt our fight, so why are we there?
who benefits? Not America

As far as the attacks themselves on the Saudi Oil fields, this has shown what a soft underbelly the kingdom has and only stands as an example as to whats to come if this conflict escalates. The entire conflict in Yemen is because the Saudis want to have control of the Deep water ports in Yemen so that they have a way to move their oil without consideration of Iran.

And on to Iran. Why is America so opposed to Iran? Exactly what threat do they pose to us?
Iran has the most powerful missile program in the region, set up in a DEFENSIVE posture. If we or anyone else want to play ball with Iran its going to get VERY ugly for Israel and Saudi Arabia very quickly.

Remember in the lead up to the Iraq War we heard in the media all this hubla about their elite republican guard and how formidable they would be.... turns out it was a bunch of nonsense and exaggeration.... you dont hear hardly anything in the media about Iran's capabilities and theres a reason for that.
 
Last edited:
And on to Iran. Why is America so opposed to Iran? Exactly what threat do they pose to us?
Iran has been on the neocon/neoliberal hit list, along with countries such as Syria, Libya, and Lebanon, since before we invaded Iraq.

Israel will be happy to tell us about the dangers of Iran to America, just like they provided much of the "intelligence" about Iraq's alleged WMDs.

And the proposed mutual defense pact with Israel is pure insanity for any America-firster. We would be writing them a blank check. And as they have shown before, they are ready willing and eager to spend American lives and wealth in the pursuit of their own goals.
 
Agree with much of what you said, except the last sentence. Anytime I see people dismiss others who have achieved many times what they have (and I know nothing about you, but I'm willing to bet you aren't even close to Trump's level of accomplishments) as idiots it says more to me about them than the object of their disdain.
Don’t disagree, probably should have said “often appears to be an idiot.” I’ve said before that he’s really really good at some things, but controlling/optimizing his communication is not one of them. Some folks say that it just shows that he’s genuine, but I think he could be just as genuine without tripping himself up.

As for accomplishments, I’m not keeping score, but I think I’m a few wives behind him.
 
I think there is alot to be said regarding our relationship with Saudi Arabia and Israel.... both countries who are foaming at the mouth to see a negative outcome in Iran, both countries who want American blood to be shed for their interests, not Americas.
What business is it of America to be fighting wars on the Middle East? Look at what its done thus far.
The entire conflict in the M.E. is NOT Americas fight. We only get 12% of our Oil from overseas.... this isnt our fight, so why are we there?
who benefits? Not America

As far as the attacks themselves on the Saudi Oil fields, this has shown what a soft underbelly the kingdom has and only stands as an example as to whats to come if this conflict escalates. The entire conflict in Yemen is because the Saudis want to have control of the Deep water ports in Yemen so that they have a way to move their oil without consideration of Iran.

And on to Iran. Why is America so opposed to Iran? Exactly what threat do they pose to us?
Iran has the most powerful missile program in the region, set up in a DEFENSIVE posture. If we or anyone else want to play ball with Iran its going to get VERY ugly for Israel and Saudi Arabia very quickly.

Remember in the lead up to the Iraq War we heard in the media all this hubla about their elite republican guard and how formidable they would be.... turns out it was a bunch of nonsense and exaggeration.... you dont hear hardly anything in the media about Iran's capabilities and theres a reason for that.

The House of Saud has always had a soft underbelly; next to Israel, it's the most despised nation in the ME, precisely because of their relationship with the west. It's either because of 1) economics, or b) we 'westernize' them too much, or c) a & b. It's 'c'. We have had a relationship their since the 1930s, rooted in economics and later on used them vis-a-vis the 'Nixon doctrine.' Because of those things it has been a target for terrorism for decades.

As for Iran, we've had a hard-on against them since the deposing of the Shah. Had Carter deported Pahlavi in 79, anywhere but here ("you don't have to go home but you can't stay here"), I think the Khomeini regime would have just let the US embassy hostages go. Of course we were complicit in the Shah who was just as brutal as any of them. We strong-armed Pahlavi into being anti-Soviet, because Iran would be a barrier between oil and the USSR. As far as what kind of threat they pose to us, they are a threat. They kidnap Americans, they have by law entered into conditions of war with the US (and good for us for not biting), and they seek to destabilize the ME, which would create, well, a big ol' mess.

Regarding their military, aside from G2A capability, no one is particularly concerned. Everything they have is hopelessly outdated, under-equipped, under-fueled, under-manned.

Me, I am all for unassing the AO. Tired of the cycle of spilling American treasure there.
 
I might be mistaken, but I thought I saw a quote from Colin Powell yesterday where he said "This is deja-vu all over again."

Or was that someone else?
 
It’s all about protecting the Petro - Dollar.

When we went off the Gold Standard, a deal was struck with Saudis that if they required all purchases in the USD, we would back them militarily and turn a blind eye to their actions.

I think its more about what Israel and the zionists want than the petro-dollar.
 
I think its more about what Israel and the zionists want than the petro-dollar.

Our economic-security relationship predates the state of Israel by almost 15 years. Israel would like nothing more than for us to tell Saudi Arabia to piss off, but the yin to that yang is their overall security is better is we are engaged with Saudi Arabia.
 
I meant Yogi Berra originated the quote.
Got it!

I was trying to be funny...
they were certain of the justification prior to Desert Storm,
as they are certain of the justification prior to us Storming Tehran!

On a related topic, when was the last time a nation declared war on another nation?
 
Our economic-security relationship predates the state of Israel by almost 15 years. Israel would like nothing more than for us to tell Saudi Arabia to piss off, but the yin to that yang is their overall security is better is we are engaged with Saudi Arabia.
I think the western press would like to make it seem that way, however many M.E. Reports over the last few years have highlighted many stories of Israel selling all types of military tech to the Saudis, up to and including nuclear information.... as long as Saudi Arabia is against Iran and complicit in keeping the Muslim world divided, Israel will remain very friendly with them behind the curtain
 
I think the western press would like to make it seem that way, however many M.E. Reports over the last few years have highlighted many stories of Israel selling all types of military tech to the Saudis, up to and including nuclear information.... as long as Saudi Arabia is against Iran and complicit in keeping the Muslim world divided, Israel will remain very friendly with them behind the curtain

All things being equal Israel needs us in the Middle East, we are a stabilizing force for them. But they sure would like to have our undivided attention.

Israel is no stranger to going to bed with the devil if it's in their best interest. They've done it with Saudi Arabia, they've done it with Jordan, and they've done it with Egypt.
 
Back
Top Bottom