Resources For Gun Confiscation: The 2 Big ones are, Money = China & Logistics = Walmart

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Beto & the Left are not answering, or can't, how they will take guns from us.

Outside of an Order ( legal or not ) to take guns I see two large resources that are lacking, money & logistics.

Since we are BROKE ( 21 Trillion in the hole ) I guess the US Treasury can print more money and ask China to back the funny money by buying more of US T-Bills.


I believe China would be “Hands Down” more than Happy to back more funny money to Dis-Arm Americans. The full cost is not being recognized either in that there are going to be processing fees involved which could easily double the anticipated cost.

The second resource would include “Drop Off ~ Processing Centers ~ Transportation, Etc.”


Recently Doug McMillon ( Walmart CEO ) wrote a gun control letter to congress and Trump backing more gun control. The letter also mentioned that Walmart has 5 decades experience in selling guns.


Frankly I think Walmart has 6 months experience in selling guns 100 times, I.E. 5 decades.

What Wally World does have is 57 years of Logistics Experience and would be of extreme value in ( trying to ) process 400 Million (??) Guns. So if / when orders were given to start collecting our guns I believe that it is very possible Walmart will Partner with The Dark Side to collect and process our firearms. Of which the gov't would pay Walmart a Fee to process each Gun. So, it could be possible that the Walmart attendant that once sold you ammo is now taking your ammo and guns for the gov't.

It doesn't matter how or where America's guns are collected as any system will be Ripe for abuse and almost immediately “Black Markets” will emerge to include the gov't supplying firearms to Antifa, MS-13, Hispanic KKK, and other solders the Left chooses to use through the “Back Door” of “Plausible Deniability.”


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Having Walmart run this would be the best outcome if confiscations become real. They are used to logistics, but their processes have a built in allowance for things to turn up missing.

They will also do it as economically as possible (ie low security and using people who don't give a crap).

One or two "terrorist attacks" will shut down facilities and thousands of guns will be distributed to the black market.

Someone will load a 30 round mag with explosives that ends up damaging a facility and requires every mag to be hand inspected. Start filling mags with Play-Doh and every one found requires a trip from bomb disposal.

Costs will skyrocket and Walmart will stop doing it or go broke. The gears of government will grind to a halt trying to figure out how to do this thing.

Meanwhile the previously missing guns will end up in the news in the hands of evil.

Martial law. Protests against the government. Antifa guns down protesters. The populace turns against the whole idea of socialism in the face of government's inability to keep people safe.

Then guns get unburied and lakes are dredged for guns lost in old boating accidents. People fight back.
 
Wow. Interesting speculation. The only interesting aspect about Wally to me is that they could offer boosted value gift cards. In other words, if you're supposed to receive $100 in buy-back dollars, they'll offer you $125 in a Wally gift card. As far as logistics, their primary flow is from warehouse to store, not from store to warehouse. So, it may not be efficient as some think. And then there's the matter of security. Trailer full of guns??
Personally, I find this kind of speculation beyond my time and energy right now. We will adapt to what ever comes.

Just sayin'
 
georgel said:
As far as logistics, their primary flow is from warehouse to store, not from store to warehouse. So, it may not be efficient as some think.
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Understood

However,
Walmart has facilities nation wide ( everywhere ), which keeps an operation under one management structure.

Primarily a Walmart facility will have ( at least some ) warehousing and staging areas

Firearms can be,
disassembled / cut up on site,

disabled and boxed up ,

Or, secured and shipped to another location.
 
georgel said:
Wow. Interesting speculation. The only interesting aspect about Wally to me is that they could offer boosted value gift cards. In other words, if you're supposed to receive $100 in buy-back dollars, they'll offer you $125 in a Wally gift card. As far as logistics, their primary flow is from warehouse to store, not from store to warehouse. So, it may not be efficient as some think. And then there's the matter of security. Trailer full of guns??
Personally, I find this kind of speculation beyond my time and energy right now. We will adapt to what ever comes.

Just sayin'
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^^^ This... They are great at moving 40' HC Loads from China to DC's and then to store. They are bulk shipments of one or two items per container.

If you think about the confiscation, it would be like each unit in the container is coming from a different factory, and that is in US Dollars. They could not conceivably pull this off without going bankrupt and sucking the value out of their equity. (And Wall Street; however likely to favor disarmament, hates profit loss)
 
YeeHaa said:
Understood

That's were the Extra Cash comes in at, China backed US T-Bills to pay for the round up.
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Ah... I didn't consider that.. my bad... If that was to happen, we would have to have 3/4 state vote to overturn 2A for the government to start backing private orgs.... BUT.... Wal-Mart could issue their own Bonds to investors for the cash and then issue Preferred Stock (convertible Bonds).

Then the SOROS backed people would buy that and hold the interest and then forgive against Wally World. That would be something they could do... and I wouldn't put it past them.
 
VA_GENTLEMAN said:
If that was to happen, we would have to have 3/4 state vote to overturn 2A
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Yes the 2A would have to be repealed, however that's ordinary logic and current Law.

By their current rhetoric the Left has demonstrated that they don't care what is written on parchment.

All of the Dem candidates for 2020 POTUS ( exception Tulsi Gabbard ) have mentioned or highlighted a Scheme to take our guns and I've heard none of them mention the inconvenience of amending the Constitution.

The simplest and most direct of these schemes has been put forth by Beto in which he states "Because it will be law" and the "Lot Lizard" Harris says she'll issue en executive order and other variations have been vaguely mentioned.

The Leftest state governments that have passed "Red Flag Laws" give these Despots in training the belief they can PULL this off on the national level is mainly ( as I see it ) because these RFLs have been allowed to stand and are being complied(??) with.


In a Fire Triangle 3 components are required to support combustion, remove one of the three and nothing happens.
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In comparison 3 things are needed to take / process millions of firearms, and again remove one of the 3 and nothing happens.

1) Funding ( someone has to pay for it, China, Soros, Walmart issued bonds, etc.) As a nation, we are Broke. Besides it would sound better to the Public ( Dumb Asses ) at large if the confiscation was Not Being Funded with Tax Money, Sort to say.

2) A national infrastructure / storage / staging / management , etc. Walmart has that already.

3) Public at large needs to comply by force, willing, semi-willing, etc. Without repealing the 2A this could be accomplished by telling the public the AR-15s are to be turned in, for starters. Later the public could be told / ordered to include more gun types, etc.

So, once the train has departed the station "The Dark Side" can ( and would ) add more guns to the ( their ) list.
 
The only "national confiscation of firearms" which exists, exists in the paranoia of 2a advocates.

Not that there aren't a fevered group of fanatics (vocal and growing) who would love to see it happen. It is just that there are still a group of folks more or less principled and informed enough to see that disarmament is a sure fire recipe for bad bad bad things.

We will see the breakup of the USA before we see that.

I personally welcome the scenario of the breakup of "our" empire, which is what happens under stress when an outfit becomes too large and unwieldy.

I do not understand the horror and fear of the breakup of the USA into regional autonomous states. The entire history of the late 20th century consists of such secessions. Violence only happens when you have shitty African or Arab "countries" where some Brit or Frenchman arbitrarily crammed tribes and families (who never liked each other!!!) into an arbitrary border and said "Now you are a country!!!!" When people are free to rule themselves they unite when they choose and separate when they choose, over issues they choose.

Most of the "revolutions" of the past 40 years or so have been peaceful and voluntary, resulting in better governance.

I swear I do not see the pig headedness about that happening here, nor the fevered delusions about a national, orchestrated, organized pogrom to take our guns. While we have come a long way from being true freedom lovers as a culture, there are still PLENTY of people who understand it is a short trip from turning in guns to cattle cars and death camps.
 
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tanstaafl72555 said:
The only "national confiscation of firearms" which exists, exists in the paranoia of 2a advocates.
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LoL,
So, this thread is not about the emotion involved with such an action, rather the implementation of such an action.
Also, to clarify any perception of perceived , "paranoia,,?" by me ( if that's part the the equation ) in the last many weeks ( especially ) I have been more than consistent with my view~s and thoughts concerning the 2A, 1A and the rest of the BOR.

tanstaafl72555 said:
I swear I do not see the pig headedness about that happening here, nor the fevered delusions about a national, orchestrated, organized pogrom to take our guns.
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Again, no emotion, just fact:
I submit the recent "In our Face" headlines highlighting Beto & Companies Straight Talk plan~s to take our guns ~ dis-arm America are more than delusional.

I have also witnessed that on several campaign stops by Beto ( others ) the crowd erupts with applause when he states he's taking guns away, factually .

As a matter of fact when Beto was asked how collection was to take place, as I recall all he offered was people will just do it.
 
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just saying (again) that the wails of Beto and the frenetic clapping by the left is not enough to make mass confiscation happen. We are more likely to suffer deprivations of liberty with red flag laws and the like, but no, Beto ain't coming for our guns, no matter what wet dreams that might prompt on the left to dream about it.
 
Why not use the Postal Service...or FedEx...they have distribution that works both to and from collection centers already. The USPS is already government controlled, so no need to trouble private industry. Drop off your gun at the post office, get your guberment hand out right from the tyrants pocket.

In the end, I don't see Walmart taking part. Walmart has always been about profit, by any means necessary. Having collection sites at their stores would open them up to a level of trouble that wouldn't be worth it as they would be wanting to do business on the other side of any confiscation, and having stores the center of violence or "accidents" hurts that.
 
tanstaafl72555 said:
Beto ain't coming for our guns, no matter what wet dreams that might prompt on the left to dream about it.
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Well we agree that Beto is not going to get the Oval Office.

If any of the others manage to get it, they, by their own words, will start some form of confiscation, simple as that.
 
you have to have a spine to face up to people who are armed and angry. Nope. Far more likely you will see them say "go ahead and leave" and then try to negotiate how much they can take.
 
tanstaafl72555 said:
you have to have a spine to face up to people who are armed and angry. Nope. Far more likely you will see them say "go ahead and leave" and then try to negotiate how much they can take.
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R O F L M A O

This coming from a 2nd Amendment person that months ago went round and round with me about just Willy Nilly just selling a firearm to anyone, even if they are Prohibited, because it's not your problem. (Yes you Tans)
From the same conversation, you stated that if one of our neighbors got a gun illegally ( which they did ) that was our Problem,,, Even if you ((TANS)) sold it to him / them.

You & I are of a much different cloth,

Tip for the day:

There's Life outside a 1 mile Radius of the Bunker.
 
B00ger said:
Why not use the Postal Service...or FedEx...they have distribution that works both to and from collection centers already. The USPS is already government controlled, so no need to trouble private industry. Drop off your gun at the post office, get your guberment hand out right from the tyrants pocket.

In the end, I don't see Walmart taking part. Walmart has always been about profit, by any means necessary. Having collection sites at their stores would open them up to a level of trouble that wouldn't be worth it as they would be wanting to do business on the other side of any confiscation, and having stores the center of violence or "accidents" hurts that.
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Excellent points,

I think Fedex is maxed out both in people & storage resources.
Plus I think Fedex pays more than Wally World.

Postal Service? Ya, can see that but they don't have the staging and warehousing. One possible fix for US Postal storage would be to use the 20 & 40 foot containers.

What ever company or agency were to do a collection point, more money will be required, period.
 
As to how to go about the confiscation, you see the beginnings of a process happening with banks/credit cards, declining retailers, UBCs, and the idea of social capital in the form of Google/FB?Amozon "censorship" via community standards.

The ultimate goal is to incentivize people to surrender their firearms voluntarily. You start by pushing them toward niche providers for firearms and ammo. You apply social pressures by having these purchases be a negative credit hit and driving cash only transactions to move the commerce away from the internet (i.e. make it harder and thus weed out buyers/suppliers). If you can, you force all the transactions through a FFL so you can start the process of revoking FFLs. You reward turn-ins with some form of capital (whether economic, social, or both). You reward manufacturers for ceasing civilian sales. Each incremental step causes some owners/suppliers to give up, and discourages new owners/suppliers from forming.

All the Beto schtick is about gaging the the social climate (how big is the elephant that needs to be eaten?). Everything above except the revoking of FFLs and legislating UBCs can be done by corporations at their whim with no governmental action needed. Only the legislation of UBCs will be an issue that needs to be sold to the voting public as a positive outcome.

RFLs help you hone your confiscation process. Once the elephant is small enough, you sell the public on the idea of forced confiscation. Then your team of thugs tackle some high profile owners (Hickock45/Mrgunsngear/demolition ranch/etc.). This will either break or harden the remaining gun owners. You choke the hardened ones with a variety of options, including termination for those who don't succumb to other levers.

You are looking at the infrastructure needed to deal with a flood of confiscations when the groundwork is pointing toward a small but steady trickle.
 
I think they know most wont comply, I think they know, and have been planning on this all along...it is also my belief, they're planning on burying those who won't comply, with their guns...someday. I remember back in 2013 you couldn't hardly find any ammo, I remember going into a Dicks sporting goods, plus wally world, and other various places looking for 9mm rounds, and was lucky to find 22 long rifle. I asked the fella at Dicks "what gives"? His response was laughter and I'll never forget his words..."Didn't you know, the government was buying up everything".
Everyone knows our government plays "war games", do you guys think they haven't played this one already? It's a serious question...
 
B00ger said:
Why not use the Postal Service...or FedEx...they have distribution that works both to and from collection centers already. The USPS is already government controlled, so no need to trouble private industry. Drop off your gun at the post office, get your guberment hand out right from the tyrants pocket.

In the end, I don't see Walmart taking part. Walmart has always been about profit, by any means necessary. Having collection sites at their stores would open them up to a level of trouble that wouldn't be worth it as they would be wanting to do business on the other side of any confiscation, and having stores the center of violence or "accidents" hurts that.
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Well, we know it won't be UPS Stores, because anything firearm related, they will not touch! ;);););):p
 
YeeHaa said:
LMAO

OK
Fair enough, so what's your assessment / idea~s / plan on how to implement a national collection of firearms?
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I dont think it's going to happen, so Ive not thought of a way to implement it.

Why do you think WM is going to be involved, cause there are stores all over the place? lol
Why not Dollar General? McDonalds?

Sorry man, but this is ridiculous that folks are throwing around these baseless claims that WM is going to be involved in a nation-wide gun confiscation that, in my opinion, is also ridiculous.

But you keep on thinking that the sky is falling brother
 
Who, at Walmart, is going to actually DO this?

The geriatric case looking at receipts at the door?

The cashier's not running the self checkouts?

The bakery people?

The handful of people trained to fill out hunting/fishing licenses, Form 4473s, and ask "is this ammunition to be used in a handgun"?

It won't happen through Walmart, because the government will want GOVERNMENT facilities/personnel to handle this.
 
HMP said:
Why do you think WM is going to be involved, cause there are stores all over the place? lol
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Yes WM is everywhere
HMP said:
but this is ridiculous that folks are throwing around these baseless claims that WM is going to be involved in a nation-wide gun confiscation that, in my opinion, is also ridiculous.
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Really, I never stated that WM is going to be part of this, only as a possibility because of their resources, period.

HMP said:
But you keep on thinking that the sky is falling brother
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Oh, This is Extremely RICH

R O F L M A O, Retake

I guess it's actually called critical thinking, common sense, but certainly not that I believe the sky is falling.

Here's a MUCH simpler example of the "Sky Is Falling" ( critical ) Thinking:

So, going on a 500 mile road trip. Gas is good, jump in and go, then DAMN Flat tire.
Guess what no spare tire, Double Damn and No AAA Membership, Triple Damn.
It's 11:30PM and everyone you directly know are 300 Miles away, Quad Damn.


HMP said:
I dont think it's going to happen, so Ive not thought of a way to implement it.
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A larger question is, as a society how did we devolve to the point when we have citizens applauding taking away our Rights?
In the '70's , '80's, '90's many would have said that we'll never reach the point we are at now.
However we are here, so I guess many just readjust their Frame Of Mind to accept this current state of our society as "The New Normal?"


Addressing the idea that a Nation Wide gun confiscation won't happen?
Well I submit that it is possible that it would be tried as all but one Dem candidate for POTUS has more than publicly stated they would start one.
Many states have already put in place RFL and ( I believe in the Willis case ) police in MD stated that it is So Successful they are building another Storage room / building to store all the GUNS.
But, again, many would have said, That Will Never Happen.
It also appears that RFL in Florida is Out Of Control because 97% of these orders are approved. That was never suppose to happen.

H, I'm not hammering on you, but it seems many here ( not just you ) have formed the same conclusion in that I think the Sky is Falling.

I do not, I was simply thinking out loud as to how the future Despots will make something happen.

Now, back to this will never happen, wait till a Despot occupies the Oval Office and the numbers in congress favor pushing through more BS.









 
YeeHaa said:
Really, I never stated that WM is going to be part of this, only as a possibility because of their resources, period.


Addressing the idea that a Nation Wide gun confiscation won't happen?
Well I submit that it is possible that it would be tried as all but one Dem candidate for POTUS has more than publicly stated they would start one.

Now, back to this will never happen, wait till a Despot occupies the Oval Office and the numbers in congress favor pushing through more BS.
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first part:
Well you DID start a thread on how it's plausible they'd be involved in this...based on NOTHING except there being many of them and them having trucks.


second part:
Yeah, and Trump said he'd lock Hillary up and Drain the Swamp. Politicians say what they think it'll take to get them elected, doesnt mean they'll actually do it

third part:
We had a President that many didnt/dont believe was an American, a man who was destroying the country and disrespecting the Constitution left and right...and he didnt do squat when it came to guns (minus banning one type of ammo from one country)
Oh, that's right, we had a Republican congress which stood up for us and kept us safe...except when they let pass the ACA and then talked about needing our votes to overturn. Which they didnt.
It goes back to the second point - it's a lot of talk

Yall have fun being scared and side-eying walmart as they prepare to take your guns away, Im going to go and keep on living a relaxing (mostly lol), happy life.
I just dont believe this will happen at all
 
HMP said:
second part:
Yeah, and Trump said he'd lock Hillary up and Drain the Swamp. Politicians say what they think it'll take to get them elected, doesnt mean they'll actually do it

third part:
We had a President that many didnt/dont believe was an American, a man who was destroying the country and disrespecting the Constitution left and right...and he didnt do squat when it came to guns (minus banning one type of ammo from one country)
Oh, that's right, we had a Republican congress which stood up for us and kept us safe...except when they let pass the ACA and then talked about needing our votes to overturn. Which they didnt.
It goes back to the second point - it's a lot of talk
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As a nation, we are here, now, currently in the year 2019.
It's not about the vehicle that helped deliver us to this point, of which one major player had a 4th rate photo shop job done on a "Birth Certificate " because no area hospitals in Hawaii recorded his birth.

HMP said:
Yall have fun being scared and side-eying walmart as they prepare to take your guns away, Im going to go and keep on living a relaxing (mostly lol), happy life.
I just dont believe this will happen at all
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I'm disappointed with you "H."
You've been around here long enough to have read / reviewed my other post ( or not ) and apparently you believe I'm paranoid I'm going to told / ordered to deliver my BB Gun to the nearest WM.
Not so, period.

What's going on involves much more than our 2A Right, period.
I have pointed this out in other post I have made ( some at moderate to great effort ) concerning our entire "Bill Of Rights."

HMP said:
I just dont believe this will happen at all
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Yup, well it already is happening in other states under the guise of RFL.

Our own NC Legislators would like to make RFL (?) here in North Carolina as well.

As usual you and I are going to agree to dis-agree,, no big deal
 
No worries bro, we just have different opinions
Hope you have a nice evening/morning (usually youre an early riser as well)
 
I think the point that may be being missed here is that these fruitcakes like Beto MAY HAVE NO INTENTIONS AT ALL of actual confiscation.

Not that he gives a whit about liberty, but rather he is using the same kind of lies that politicos on the right use to fire up his base. Turn him into a Republican and he will be promising reduced spending, prayer in schools, term limits, immigration reform and outlawing abortion.

I don't think he gives a rat's ass about AR 15s, and would drop that proposal at the first hint of political resistance, much less active rebellion. He is a spineless, no principles, palavering attention seeker. It takes a SPINE to do something besides run your mouth in primaries.

The vast majority of office seekers are more than willing to stir up paranoia among the "other guys" so long as it cements them to a solid constituency in their own party, and provides a future roadmap to leadership.

THAT is what I think you are missing, here. Beto is not altogether ignorant....., he just has different goals than you think.
 
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