Novant Health reporting drug tests to Meck Sheriff?

His illegal unprotected actions brought on his loss.
Again where in the constitution is his right to smoke?
Illegal only in some states. As has been discussed he could have been in Colorado, and not a small handful of other places where perfectly legal 3 or 4 weeks beforehand
 
Again where in the constitution is his right to smoke?
That's not how the constitution works. It places restrictions on the fed and explicitly states that those powers not expressly enumerated belong to the states. The fed should never have gotten involved in food or drug regulation. On a similar token the 2nd says the right to bear arms shall not be infringed, it doesn't say it's a permission to be granted.

Some people seem to put greater sanctity in a stupid form that shouldn't exist than in individual liberty. While I've never used MJ were I to go someplace where it was decriminalized or a foreign country where Uncle Stupid has no authority I would have zero reservations about saying no on a form that shouldn't exist in the first place.
 
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That's not how the constitution works. It places restrictions on the fed and explicitly states that those powers not expressly enumerated belong to the states. The fed should never have gotten involved in food or drug regulation. On a similar token the 2nd says the right to bear arms shall not be infringed, it doesn't say it's a permission to be granted.

Some people seem to put greater sanctity in a stupid form that shouldn't exist than in individual liberty. While I've never used MJ were I to go someplace where it was decriminalized or a foreign country where Uncle Stupid has no authority I would have zero reservations about saying no on a form that shouldn't exist in the first place.
I know how the constitution works.

Smoke is federally illegal.
He lost his cc because of stupidity.
When they change the law, then he can blow smoke and carry too. Until then it’s a moot point.

And until then don’t lie on the forms and you’ll be just fine.
 
I know how the constitution works.

Smoke is federally illegal.
He lost his cc because of stupidity.
When they change the law, then he can blow smoke and carry too. Until then it’s a moot point.

And until then don’t lie on the forms and you’ll be just fine.
Actually a seriously doubt you will be allowed to carry while smoking even if or when it becomes legal.
 
I know how the constitution works.

Smoke is federally illegal.
He lost his cc because of stupidity.
When they change the law, then he can blow smoke and carry too. Until then it’s a moot point.

And until then don’t lie on the forms and you’ll be just fine.
And once again when the Clinton AWB was federal law it was law and by your own argument you are good with that. Any excuses or arguments to the contrary are intellectually dishonest based on your previous statements.
 
And once again when the Clinton AWB was federal law it was law and by your own argument you are good with that. Any excuses or arguments to the contrary are intellectually dishonest based on your previous statements.
And again the constitution says “shall not be infringed”. Your precious smoke ain’t covered.
 
And again the constitution says “shall not be infringed”. Your precious smoke ain’t covered.


The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. - 10th Amendment

As others have said, the Constitution does not grant rights, it explicitly LIMITS GOVERNMENT.

“It’s OK to smoke weed” will be found in the same passage that says “Its OK to wear white shoes after Memorial Day”.....IOW, it’s none of the Fed’s business as the power to control Food, Drugs, etc is NOT an enumerated power.
 
if there is a thread on the legalization point, i need to find it so i can share my unsolicited opinion
 
In a Kinda related issue...local HCPD officer in line a Wally World. [this officer has been here a lot]. A woman in front of her went ballistic on the "checker". Officer sees Crazy has CWP in her billfold. Officer gets info from "checker". Officer calls SLED and says woman is not stable and does not need CWP. Next DAY a SLED agent goes to woman and Takes her CWP.

Now....who's not concerned about The Red Flag Law???? If they want you....they'll have you.

This pisses me off even more than the fellow getting letters for dope use...I mean really irritates me...no "proof", no complaint filed by the store, the clerk (who might have needed a good ass chewing), no charges...just a LEOs opinion...hell no.
 
I know how the constitution works.

Smoke is federally illegal.
He lost his cc because of stupidity.
When they change the law, then he can blow smoke and carry too. Until then it’s a moot point.

And until then don’t lie on the forms and you’ll be just fine.

As a libertarian, it chafes me that we ask permission to do either one. I have no desire to use MJ but govco isn't the bigmama of us all and we shouldn't be asking "mother, may I".
 
As a libertarian, it chafes me that we ask permission to do either one. I have no desire to use MJ but govco isn't the bigmama of us all and we shouldn't be asking "mother, may I".
Your gunna be chafed for a long time. :D

Because it will never be any other way unless we just live free and consequences be damned.
 
Your gunna be chafed for a long time. :D

Because it will never be any other way unless we just live free and consequences be damned.

Well, "concealed" means just that. I'm sure there are plenty of people who walk around carrying concealed even if a sign on a door says not to. No chafing with you, brother.
 
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The HOPE act passed in NC in 2018 gave law enforcement real time access to the Controlled Substance Reporting System

The CSRS is used to monitor and track a person's prescribed medication and more often than not... the prescriber... controlled substances like opioids or benzodiazapines, has nothing to do with illicit substances.

There is missing pieces of this story.

I went to the MeckCo website to "apply"
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Says MH records...says nothing about medical records, so something would have had to transpire to move the records from medical to mental health. Going to the ED and having a urine drug test wouldn't get you dropped into that bucket. Nor do I think that any large healthcare system would comply with a request for all the positive drug screens they process, A: thats a massive amount and B: there would be no reason as to why they would grant that request. I highly doubt they are obtaining all of your medical records when they do your background check. My feeling is they would inquire if they were ever involuntary committed or treated for a significant mental illness.

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The application specifically mentions the clerk of courts, the only medical records that cross the clerk of courts is involuntary commitment paperwork or requests for someone to be taken for a MH evaluation.

If I wanted to get the permit revoked of someone I knew, the fastest way I would go about that is to pick-up the phone and plant a bug rather than wait for the system... just saying.
 
The CSRS is used to monitor and track a person's prescribed medication and more often than not... the prescriber... controlled substances like opioids or benzodiazapines, has nothing to do with illicit substances.

There is missing pieces of this story.

I went to the MeckCo website to "apply"
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Says MH records...says nothing about medical records, so something would have had to transpire to move the records from medical to mental health. Going to the ED and having a urine drug test wouldn't get you dropped into that bucket. Nor do I think that any large healthcare system would comply with a request for all the positive drug screens they process, A: thats a massive amount and B: there would be no reason as to why they would grant that request. I highly doubt they are obtaining all of your medical records when they do your background check. My feeling is they would inquire if they were ever involuntary committed or treated for a significant mental illness.

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The application specifically mentions the clerk of courts, the only medical records that cross the clerk of courts is involuntary commitment paperwork or requests for someone to be taken for a MH evaluation.

If I wanted to get the permit revoked of someone I knew, the fastest way I would go about that is to pick-up the phone and plant a bug rather than wait for the system... just saying.

There may be missing pieces as far as how the system is “supposed” to work conflicting with this case and how it is working. Just like red flag laws will never be used outside of their intent and the 2A will not be infringed...I mean it’s written down, so that MUST be how it works, with zero deviation, right?

The situation is so egregious that the Firearms Policy Coaltion is working with the guy to help him have his rights restored. I guess their lawyers see merit in the evidence provided.


I know how the constitution works.

Smoke is federally illegal.
He lost his cc because of stupidity.
When they change the law, then he can blow smoke and carry too. Until then it’s a moot point.

And until then don’t lie on the forms and you’ll be just fine.

How do you know he lied on the form? He admitted in May to his psychiatrist to smoking weed. He applied for the permit sometime after that. He states he no longer smokes now and could easily pass a Drug test. The Sheriff is revoking the permit because of PRIOR admission, not CURRENT use.
 
How do you know he lied on the form? He admitted in May to his psychiatrist to smoking weed. He applied for the permit sometime after that. He states he no longer smokes now and could easily pass a Drug test. The Sheriff is revoking the permit because of PRIOR admission, not CURRENT use.

He admitted to smoking it every day. If he had stated he used on the form they wouldn’t have given him the permit(s).
 
I asked about the discrepancy in the dates meaning the drug test date and him admitting it (May and March)

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He's seeing one of them head shrinkers, he must be crazy!
 
He admitted to smoking it every day. If he had stated he used on the form they wouldn’t have given him the permit(s).

He admitted daily use in the past to his psychiatrist, prior to applying for the permit. Past tense. The sheriffs actions were not based on current info
 
Once again, all assumptions

His marijuana use may have been prior to purchasing his guns (which may also have been private sales or given to him by family, not documented via 4473), and he could’ve stopped smoking and then gone the route to get his carry permit. The info given to his psychiatrist was about PAST USE coping with the in utero death of three kids. If you’re going to make all kinds of assumptions and build a false narrative, at least be positive or give the benefit of the doubt (since he’s obviously got NO problem answering questions which have proved several of these false assertions wrong so far).

I guess I'm just having a hard time believing that a Meck Co .gov agency can have their sh*t together enough to get access to that data and follow through with this action. The point of my anecdote was that it was exceedingly difficult to give non-requisitioned results to actual clinics for whom the testing was done, let alone any outside agency.

My new best bet is that somebody in the Meck Co Sheriff's Dept wanting to screw with this guy.
 
He also tested positive though so what do you believe?
Out of curiosity do you know how long it remains detectable? I believe they like to pull hair and test that. I’m thinking 60 odd days. Hmm, good that I shave my head. :D Just kidding, but I do shave my head.
 
Do states with medicinal marijuana cross reference pot cards when someone applies for a permit?
Yes. I know someone in California that has a medical marijuana card. That person got it years ago before recreational use was allowed by the state. Said person is now in the database as a prohibited gun buyer. And since California now runs a background check on you for ammo, no ammo for you either.

Actually a seriously doubt you will be allowed to carry while smoking even if or when it becomes legal.
..and this same person while being prohibited federally, is also prohibited by California itself with their laws that forbid users of mj to even own guns or possess ammunition. If you wanna puff-out in California, and admit to the state that you do, you are prohibited from owning anything gun.
Unlike the punk that breaks into your car and steals stuff, including firearms, and gets a ticket...if you smoke rope (legal) and have guns (legal) and harm no-one (legal), California will put you in jail a long time.

If you want a preview of what our country would look like under a Democrat Regime, just look at California.
 
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I believe Michigan does something similar. Had a buddy that already had a concealed permit and then when medical marijuana was passed he got that card. The state contacted him with a quickness and said it's one or the other, not both... He gave up his carry permit.
 
Below is a link to the actual form one must sign in order to apply for and receive a concealed carry permit in NC. Look in the top right corner, if this person applied for a concealed carry permit, he gave his consent for the sheriff's office to review every medical record regarding his physical and mental health, substance abuse and any confidential court records. I am not bringing this up to debate the legality or constitutionality of this process, just showing that he gave his permission for that information to be received and reviewed.

https://www.nccourts.gov/assets/documents/forms/sp914.pdf?hwKJr9qMhds3N4yM7POEpQDQXOWb8AXL
 
Also, @Cowboy is most likely correct about some of the process. By state law, the sheriff has 45 days to either issue or deny a concealed carry permit application. Sometimes the medical records haven't been received by that date, so if nothing was in the criminal record the sheriff will issue the permit. If the medical records come back and there is an issue, then the sheriff revokes all permits.


Edited for grammatical errors (I would like to say they were made because it was late when I posted, but to be honest I just suck at grammar)
 
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Below is a link to the actual form one must sign in order to apply for and receive a concealed carry permit in NC. Look in the top right corner, if this person applied for a concealed carry permit, he gave his consent for the sheriff's office to review every medical record regarding his physical and mental health, substance abuse and any confidential court records. I am not bringing this up to debate the legality or constitutionality of this process, just showing that he gave his permission for that information to be received and reviewed.

https://www.nccourts.gov/assets/documents/forms/sp914.pdf?hwKJr9qMhds3N4yM7POEpQDQXOWb8AXL

I didn’t have to sign anything like that in SC for a CWP. That’s crazy
 
It is also of note here that most (all?) hospital emergency departments screen for drugs of abuse as an aid to medical diagnosis/treatment. They do not screen based on any legal cutoff limit or with the chain of custody processes to serve as evidence in a legal proceeding.
Having a right revoked based on a hospital screening test is legally actionable back on the hospital/revoking entity.
 
I didn’t have to sign anything like that in SC for a CWP. That’s crazy
That sort of form should NOT be allowed. I am not certain off hand what the statutes say about "mental health checks" but that really should be limited to whether someone has or has not been adjudicated according to the statutes, not a free for all access to every record. My initial reaction is that this is clearly beyond the scope of what the legislators intended, even if it is possible to weasel word it into legality, but then I realize the legislators really don't want an armed populace either.
 
That would be covered just like drinking alcohol, you can't carry and drink, so you also can't carry and smoke.
If there was a medical card required I'm gonna guess there would be choices to be made as well. The bigger problem with pot is that smoking is detectable in your system a lot longer than alcohol. I always tell my friends that I wouldn't want to give a blood sample for a DWI because there is WAY more things than just the alcohol they will see.
 
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