What's your 9mm magazine loadout?

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I've recently been experimenting with different loadouts of different rounds in my 9mm mags, i.e. staggering different HPs and FMJ etc. Currently I have 10 FMJ on the bottom and the first 7 or 8 rounds, depending on mag size, are HPs. My reasoning behind this is once the first bunch of shots are fired, cover is usually taken, then the FMJ rounds come into play to penetrate cover. I know some HPs have good barrier penetration but you never know what might stop it. My carry 9mm is all 147gr.
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I load all the same. I don’t feel the staggering rounds or loading anything alternating is going to be beneficial. The ammo I tend to carry, Speer Gold Dots, Federal HST, Hornady Critical Duty all test pretty well for barrier blindness.

I also understand that in the heat of the moment I will not have the frame of mind to count how many rounds I have fired, whether I am still sending what projectile down range, or how many I have left to go until I get to a different type.

On top of that, I can think of zero agencies who actually use firearm for social work that stagger their ammo in their side arms. Some shotguns are set up with slugs/buck in the side saddle if needed, but never for pistol use.


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I also load all the same. Since I'm not a LEO and most SD events are short lived with less then 5 rounds shot I feel the Speer Gold Dot LE HP's 124 grain rounds are enough. If I'm carrying my Shield 9 I have 8 & spare mag in my pocket. If my Sig 365 works fine in my next range visit I'll be carrying 12 & 10, again with above Gold Dots. I feel pretty safe carrying either since my goal in any situation would be to get myself and my family to cover not engage unless confronted while in cover.
 
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I'm not trying to over think things, I've just been taught to hope for the best and prepare for the worst. I like the civil defense 9mm +p HPs. Like I said, just trying different things out, I'll probably end up carrying all the same. Also I always carry 3 mags. 1 in the gun and 2 on the belt.
 
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Barnes XPD or Federal HST. Interesting that you should ask, because I have just recently been contemplating maybe making a change. I'll follow this with interest.
 
Barnes XPD or Federal HST. Interesting that you should ask, because I have just recently been contemplating maybe making a change. I'll follow this with interest.
Me too because there's tons of 9 that is great for carry.
 
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For a standard pistol round (9, 40, 45) , I don’t see much benefit in doing this. If we were talking about a shotgun or rifle, I could see some benefit since the performance can vary greatly in different types of long gun rounds. However I think you’re better off switching your carry ammo to a high quality bonded round in your choice if 124+P or 147.

The thing that worries me about using FMJ in a carry weapon is the greater risk of over penetration. I want all energy exerted in the target, not just a hole for them to eventually bleed out. Plus over penetration is a liability issue.

I may be overthinking it, but so are you ;)
 
For a standard pistol round (9, 40, 45) , I don’t see much benefit in doing this. If we were talking about a shotgun or rifle, I could see some benefit since the performance can vary greatly in different types of long gun rounds. However I think you’re better off switching your carry ammo to a high quality bonded round in your choice if 124+P or 147.

The thing that worries me about using FMJ in a carry weapon is the greater risk of over penetration. I want all energy exerted in the target, not just a hole for them to eventually bleed out. Plus over penetration is a liability issue.

I may be overthinking it, but so are you ;)
I said I'm not trying to. :p my CZ mags all have 50gr civil defense rounds in them I haven't messed with then yet and now probably won't. I have sig V-crowns in 147gr to put in my other 9. Been thinking about getting HSTs for it. For now the 45 has HSTs in it too. The 357Sig has 125gr Gold Dots.
 
147 FMJFP at 1,200 FPS. All 9s loaded with this.
230 FMJ Ball. All .45s loaded with this.
200 FMJ Ball. All 10mms
180 FMJ Ball. All .40s
100 Ball. Underwood All .380s loaded with this.
Ball ammo for .25s and .32s always.

Placement and Penetration...Nothing else counts in Handguns.

Clintism: Handguns poke holes In people-Rifles poke hole Through people-Shotguns put Shit on the wall.
 
Full gun, one extra mag, all with quality factory SD ammo. Any further thought goes into how to use them.

If you decide it's important to have a different round available I would suggest a separate mag so its available on demand and not 8 rounds deep in a mag.
 
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The thing that worries me about using FMJ in a carry weapon is the greater risk of over penetration.
The last figure I saw on this showed that high80% of all rounds fired by LEs were Air Balls! Which is worse a Miss or the Possibility of over penetration? Your gun was designed to run on BALL. Why introduce a possible problem?
Handguns for protection are Pitiful. Their asset is portability. You MUST get in to the "pump" or "electrics" to stop the problem. PLACEMENT and PENETRATION....We must all seek our Own salvation.
 
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Speer Gold Dots.
Full mag with one in the chamber.
That's it.
I pray I never use those rounds. And if I do Im not planning to stick around for a well thought-out fire fight.
 
The last figure I saw on this showed that high80% of all rounds fired by LEs were Air Balls! Which is worse a Miss or the Possibility of over penetration? Your gun was designed to run on BALL. Why introduce a possible problem?
Handguns for protection are Pitiful. Their asset is portability. You MUST get in to the "pump" or "electrics" to stop the problem. PLACEMENT and PENETRATION....We must all seek our Own salvation.
"They all fall to hardball."
 
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147 FMJFP at 1,200 FPS. All 9s loaded with this.
230 FMJ Ball. All .45s loaded with this.
200 FMJ Ball. All 10mms
180 FMJ Ball. All .40s
100 Ball. Underwood All .380s loaded with this.
Ball ammo for .25s and .32s always.

Placement and Penetration...Nothing else counts in Handguns.

Clintism: Handguns poke holes In people-Rifles poke hole Through people-Shotguns put Shit on the wall.

Damn Billy, I did not think that you had that many handguns! ;)
 
The last figure I saw on this showed that high80% of all rounds fired by LEs were Air Balls! Which is worse a Miss or the Possibility of over penetration?
I’m familiar with the statistics around defensive and police shootings. Agreed, most shots are misses, but how would FMJ help with accuracy?? We choose our ammo with the assumption that we’ll make the shot that counts.

Your gun was designed to run on BALL. Why introduce a possible problem?
This is why we test until we’re comfortable with the reliability. Thankfully modern HP ammo is extremely reliable, has gone through plenty of R&D, has been subjected to FBI and other independent testing, and millions of HP rounds have been fired through pistols both in LE and consumer hands. I don’t think there is a strong argument for ball > HP when it comes to reliability of functioning.

Handguns for protection are Pitiful. Their asset is portability. You MUST get in to the "pump" or "electrics" to stop the problem. PLACEMENT and PENETRATION....We must all seek our Own salvation.
Again, agreed, pistols are the least capable weapons for SD but that was the question posed here and none of us are carrying long guns on our back to the grocery store. (No, that’s not challenge to anyone haha)
 
In my world it is common practice for the first round, first shot, to be a "Trauma Inflicting" bullet, followed by Solids of proper design. This has been common practice on Buffalo for many many years and still is valid today. I carried it many steps forward, and use this load out for EVERYTHING, even thin skinned non-dangerous game. In my world, A Solid of Proper Design RULES the World. I emphasize "Proper Design" as ALL SOLIDS and ALL FMJs ARE NOT CREATED EQUAL. A proper solid can save the day, either your life, or your animal from being lost. There is every reason in the world to go to the field with good and proper designed solids, and no reason whatsoever to not!

Compared to rifles, a handgun is not much, basically poke a hole and that is about it. I have poked a few holes in animals with various handguns, and see the effect. Even heavy handgun loads in little rifles is not hitting on a lot when compared to a rifle. Most of my research here with handguns, has been with heavier handguns for hunting purposes, heavy loads and Properly designed Solids.

I recently did some research in 9mm bullets, and somewhat to my surprise, these same values and factors are also present even in a 9mm. Believe me, All 9mm FMJ or Solids, are not created equal either.

I personally like the idea of enhancing a cartridge, even 9mm, with the very best of Bullet Tech available. I like a seriously Trauma Inflicting Bullet up front, followed my good design solids. I use this in my load outs in 45 ACP, and now recently in 9mm. While feed/function comes first, as always, todays bullet tech and handgun tech, most guns will feed/function reliably with these bullets, its up to you to test thoroughly, and become confident.

You can enhance any cartridge/caliber with well designed Bullet Tech. I believe in that and have used it in the field for many years. Remember, it is not the cartridge, the platform, it is the BULLET that does all the heavy lifting.
 
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I’m familiar with the statistics around defensive and police shootings. Agreed, most shots are misses, but how would FMJ help with accuracy?? We choose our ammo with the assumption that we’ll make the shot that counts.


This is why we test until we’re comfortable with the reliability. Thankfully modern HP ammo is extremely reliable, has gone through plenty of R&D, has been subjected to FBI and other independent testing, and millions of HP rounds have been fired through pistols both in LE and consumer hands. I don’t think there is a strong argument for ball > HP when it comes to reliability of functioning.


Again, agreed, pistols are the least capable weapons for SD but that was the question posed here and none of us are carrying long guns on our back to the grocery store. (No, that’s not challenge to anyone haha)
Again best of luck to All! I was trying to answer the post with My info to the question. Choose whatever you wish, None of you will ever have to justify your choice to me. Hope it works for you...
 
PENETRATION...………………………..
I heard you on penetration but you can’t penetrate what you miss. Your argument is that penetration is most important yet 80% of shots are misses, therefore shoot FMJ? I’m not following the logic. Accuracy is no different with FMJ vs HP. What am I missing here?

Wait, let me guess, “penetration”? Lol. Got it you’re a fan of penetration. Aren’t we all? :D;)
 
I heard you on penetration but you can’t penetrate what you miss. Your argument is that penetration is most important yet 80% of shots are misses, therefore shoot FMJ? I’m not following the logic. Accuracy is no different with FMJ vs HP. What am I missing here?

Wait, let me guess, “penetration”? Lol. Got it you’re a fan of penetration. Aren’t we all? :D;)
Hst’s penetrate fine. I’d rather them go a tad less through thick clothes and cause a nice shallow 1.25” hole than make pencils holes in someone.
But I guess at the end of the day, shoot someone enough, they’ll stop, leave or eat your face... because they’re on drugs and you used fmj bullets. :D
 
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I like the same from start to finish. My luck, the start might not be on target. Bullet technology is what brought me back to the 9 mm but a hit with old technology is better than a very high tech miss.
 
I recently did some research in 9mm bullets, and somewhat to my surprise, these same values and factors are also present even in a 9mm. Believe me, All 9mm FMJ or Solids, are not created equal either.
I'd be extremely interested in seeing that research!
 
Same stack top to bottom, all ball. Little small "pencil" holes all the way through do not bother me. Like was said earlier "They all fall to ball".
 
147g ball. Around the property the one in the pipe is sometimes a shotshell.
 
Your argument is that penetration is most important
Where DID you see that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Re read my original post!!!! I don't mind trying to help you sort through my statements and posts But you must read and pay attention. I await your answer after you read the original post.
 
Where DID you see that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Re read my original post!!!! I don't mind trying to help you sort through my statements and posts But you must read and pay attention. I await your answer after you read the original post.
o_Oo_O Don’t wait too long.
 
Thanks. Just what I expected......As Originally posted PLACEMENT[think accuracy..get it? probably not] and PENETRATION.
 
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