California school shooting - at least seven shot

I personally don't give a crap what the Europeans think.

Thank you for your insightful response, though given that no one was discussing foreign opinion on US matters, I'm not quite sure the point you're trying to make.
 
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Okay, what new laws would have prevented this shooter from acquiring a handgun?
- It’s illegal for a minor to buy a handgun.
- It’s illegal to sell or give a minor a handgun.
- It’s illegal to allow a minor access without direct adult supervision to a handgun.
- I’m sure there’s a Commiefornia Safe Storage act of some sort.
I am sure there are others but still ... at least a couple laws were broken ... so how would a “universal background check” help out with this 16 year old when the other laws either had that cover in some form or fashion.
Then, what new laws would have prevented this shooter from acting and shooting these victims?
- Shooting someone is illegal ... say Assault all the way up to Attempted Murder.
- Killing is pretty much illegal when not under very certain and rare circumstances ... say Murder.
- Little things like Minor in Possession of a Firearm, Possession of a Firearm on School Premises, etc

New laws would 99% likely not have prevented this ... it’s just the idiot politicians(and MSM) playing their games.

Now the real interesting part will be finding out who the owner of the handgun is and what charges they will face. How did the kid get his hands on it ... storage type? I am betting civil litigation will be big there in Commiefornia courts too.

I bet the gun belonged to his dad who recently died. Therefore the new laws will be 1) registration so 2) your firearms can be recovered when you die.
 
Thank you for your insightful response, though given that no one was discussing foreign opinion on US matters, I'm not quite sure the point you're trying to make.
Sorry, I didn't make myself very clear. My bad. The point I was trying to make was "I personally don't give a crap what the Europeans think." There you go.
 
There is an unsubstantiated rumor the .45 caliber handgun used was a 1911 ... a .45acp 1911 with a 7 round mag. A design over 100 years old with a mag that holds less than 10 rounds. What will the narrative be on that?
 
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There is an unsubstantiated rumor the .45 caliber handgun used was a 1911 ... a .45acp 1911 with a 7 round mag. A design over 100 years old with a mag that holds less than 10 rounds. What will the narrative be on that?

An actual "weapon of war"!!!
 
There is an unsubstantiated rumor the .45 caliber handgun used was a 1911 ... a .45acp 1911 with a 7 round mag. A design over 100 years old with a mag that holds less than 10 rounds. What will the narrative be on that?

That we need to ban ALL guns. That’s what they want, and this helps their cause.
 
There is an unsubstantiated rumor the .45 caliber handgun used was a 1911 ... a .45acp 1911 with a 7 round mag. A design over 100 years old with a mag that holds less than 10 rounds. What will the narrative be on that?
It is a weapon of war. ;)
 
That we need to ban ALL guns. That’s what they want, and this helps their cause.
To the point handguns especially ... I can hear it ...they are only made for killing type too.


First reports of shooter’s identity rolling in ... https://heavy.com/news/2019/11/nathaniel-berhow/ .

The kid does not sound like a trouble maker ... more like troubled kid from descriptions of father’s death with prior divorce proceedings with his parents. Signs might have been there of needing help. Not fully blaming the mother but wonder what she was seeing in changes in his actions. You’d think a good parental influence would have s was a teenage boy and we know that’s a tough time with out the other problems.
 
New laws would 99% likely not have prevented this ... it’s just the idiot politicians(and MSM) playing their games.

You're not thinking like a liberal. If they had just made it hard enough for the rightful owner to never have gotten the gun in the first place, then the bad guy couldn't have stolen it and gone about his business. The laws aren't there to stop the criminal, they're there to stop the law abiding from starting the chain of events that ends with the criminal act. If they can just punish the innocent enough, it makes the guilty's job harder.
 
While they still have not said exactly what platform the .45acp used was somebody has thrown out the “ghost gun” ... assembled from parts purchased separately ...

https://www.latimes.com/california/...hool-recovering-suspect-in-critical-condition

Federal and state investigators are also trying to determine whether the handgun used by the suspect was made from parts purchased separately and then assembled, law enforcement sources told The Times.

These so-called ghost guns are unserialized weapons manufactured from parts that can be ordered through the mail or machined parts acquired from underground makers.

The sources said the gun design appears to be unusual but emphasized that officials don’t know its origins at this time.

Investigators found several firearms during a search of the teen’s home, and some were not registered. Villanueva did not specify what types of guns were recovered. The L.A. County Sheriff’s Department is working with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to trace the origins of the .45-caliber handgun used in the shooting.

... so gun grabbers might now have the “ghost gun” narrative tee’d up for their next volley of BS.
 
While they still have not said exactly what platform the .45acp used was

This could be a clue....

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But they are pushing some non-standard buttons this time, including "ghost guns" and "unregistered". Secondary goals, but still part of the agenda.
 
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That's a twist I never really considered until recently.

That's a Fugly thought!

That's because you're probably a decent person.
NY cops, however...
Cold, dead hands: Buffalo to seize guns from families following owners' funerals "They're quick to say they're going to take the guns," said Tom King, president of the New York State Rifle & Pistol Association. "But they don't tell you the law doesn't apply to long guns, or that these families can sell [their loved one's] pistol or apply to keep it."
2014 article says they're years ahead of you on this.
 
"... Buffalo Police Commissioner Daniel Derrenda said at a press conference last week that the department will be sending people to collect guns that belong to pistol permit holders who had died ..."

Do they mean concealed-carry permit holders or people who have purchased "pistol purchase permits" ? Are purchase permits retained or logged in NC ? I haven't bought one of those in a long time. I'm not understanding how this round-up targets specific pistols.
 
"... Buffalo Police Commissioner Daniel Derrenda said at a press conference last week that the department will be sending people to collect guns that belong to pistol permit holders who had died ..."

Do they mean concealed-carry permit holders or people who have purchased "pistol purchase permits" ? Are purchase permits retained or logged in NC ? I haven't bought one of those in a long time. I'm not understanding how this round-up targets specific pistols.
It was a story about new york, where they have a pretty serious pistol registry.
and the cops are trolling death records to come pound on your door and demand you hand over dad's old gun, but not bothering to tell you that you can apply to receive them as part of the inheritance. and the cops were also pretending that dad's long guns (if you made the mistake of saying he had some) also needed to be turned over...
it's funny because buffalo is pretty far from the NYC anti-gun area, and a lot of the people around that area would very much not be okay with the police doing this.
 
It was a story about new york, where they have a pretty serious pistol registry.
and the cops are trolling death records to come pound on your door and demand you hand over dad's old gun, but not bothering to tell you that you can apply to receive them as part of the inheritance. and the cops were also pretending that dad's long guns (if you made the mistake of saying he had some) also needed to be turned over...
it's funny because buffalo is pretty far from the NYC anti-gun area, and a lot of the people around that area would very much not be okay with the police doing this.
This is from my home town where my dad still lives and has a few items I would be inclined to have at his passing. You are very correct that buffalo area is far from NY city and many that live there would enjoy handing over their guns just about as much as we would here. Does anyone know what I would need to do to make sure I can receive my fathers guns legally at his passing?
 
Does anyone know what I would need to do to make sure I can receive my fathers guns legally at his passing?
Take em now.
I don't mean that in a bad way or screwin' Pops out of his guns, but...somehow, if Dad is good with it,
Take em now.
 
Sorry, I didn't make myself very clear. My bad. The point I was trying to make was "I personally don't give a crap what the Europeans think." There you go.

Thanks for clarifying... nor do I!
 
Take em now.
I don't mean that in a bad way or screwin' Pops out of his guns, but...somehow, if Dad is good with it,
Take em now.
Dad is only 73 and hoping he has many years left on this earth. If he was closer to 80 this would be a extremely plausible.
 
It was a story about new york, where they have a pretty serious pistol registry.
and the cops are trolling death records to come pound on your door and demand you hand over dad's old gun, but not bothering to tell you that you can apply to receive them as part of the inheritance. and the cops were also pretending that dad's long guns (if you made the mistake of saying he had some) also needed to be turned over...
it's funny because buffalo is pretty far from the NYC anti-gun area, and a lot of the people around that area would very much not be okay with the police doing this.
But I've been assured that LEO's would never enforce unconstitutional gun laws.
 
...they are only made for killing ....

I have never understood what is wrong with a gun being made for killing. That is why most guns have been made. If they can not be used effectively for killing, what good are they? The commie pinko maggot gun-grabbing human garbage only thinks of aggressive killing and never wants to consider defensive killing. Sometimes someone or something may need killing in order to save an innocent life or to preserve liberties, and a very efficient and effective tool of death should be available for such purposes. Those maggots are not against instruments of death but want only the government to have them and have not learned the many lessons of history that show without a shadow of a doubt that having all the deadly force in the hands of a government is not a good thing.
 
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Well, the media is running the “ghost gun” narrative and how easy it is to build one ... but no photos of the actual gun.

The LA Times ...
https://www.latimes.com/california/...n-saugus-high-attack-a-ghost-gun-sheriff-says
The gun used in last week’s shooting at Saugus High School was assembled from parts, a so-called ghost gun without a registration number, Los Angeles County Sheriff Alex Villanueva confirmed Thursday.

Sheriff’s homicide detectives are trying to determine who built the .45-caliber handgun, a 1911-model pistol. The weapon included a partially built receiver, meaning it did not contain a serial number.
... they said “1911-model pistol” specifically ... which is not an easy pistol to build much less an unserialized 80% type frame build. Milling and fitting a 1911 frame and slide ain’t easy for even avid 1911 shooters. I gotta wonder IF it was a 1911 platform how true is it that it’s really a 80% build. If it is true I really can’t see a 16 year old doing it solo ... tools and machinery requirements just are beyond 99.44% of most shooters.

FOX News ...
https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-high-school-shooter-used-untraceable-ghost-gun-sheriff-says
The 16-year-old who shot five classmates last week at Saugus High School in Santa Clarita, Calif., before turning the weapon on himself, used an unregistered, untraceable "ghost gun" assembled by hand from various parts, according to Los Angeles County Sheriff Alex Villanueva.

It was unclear who assembled the weapon and authorities did not rule out Nathaniel Berthow, the gunman, as the architect of the.45 caliber handgun.
... they just basically say “ghost gun” ... no specifics. I guess unless the gooberment officials in Commiefornia are really pushing the narrative 2 sources do kinda jive.

I’ve done a couple 80% builds ... AR and Glock-type ... with each’s lower/frame still needing mill work to some degree I could see it possibly being a Glock-type with polymer frame and fairly easy fitting rail system to slide. Even an 80% AR maybe but a 1911 (if that rumor is true) highly unlikely he did that himself. Sure he was into Scouting and seemed to be an intelligent kid ... but there’s toooooo much into hand fitting the slide to frame, barrel bushing, barrel lug, trigger/sear and other detailed work.

I wish I could be in one of the press conferences on this and actually ask these questions to see how the LEO’s, state’s and Fed’s would respond ... but we all know the truth about the details of that specific “ghost gun” won’t be answered because it won’t allow the “ghost gun” scare to run and scare the sheep in the general public.
 
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It was a story about new york, where they have a pretty serious pistol registry.
and the cops are trolling death records to come pound on your door and demand you hand over dad's old gun, but not bothering to tell you that you can apply to receive them as part of the inheritance. and the cops were also pretending that dad's long guns (if you made the mistake of saying he had some) also needed to be turned over...
it's funny because buffalo is pretty far from the NYC anti-gun area, and a lot of the people around that area would very much not be okay with the police doing this.
Buffalo is a lot closer to Albany then NYC, home of the east coasts most Anti Second Amendment Governor.
 
USA today is pushing the ghost thing hard, adding color like "you can remove all the metal pieces to get it into a secure area". Yep, somehow that's relevant.

For being morons, they sure can spin things into emotion.

They did mention that ghost guns are illegal in CA. Dammit, ban that harder, the existing one didn't work!
 
"Ghost gun" = a gun that will ghost you?
You never know what they mean with their made-up terminology. Probably intentional.
 
They busted another kid, 13 years old, with plans to shoot up his school with an AR ...
https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-boy-13-arrested-in-school-shooting-threat
... and while not a “ghost gun” it’s mentioned along with his AR was built from parts by a 19 year old relative. They really point out it was unregistered and illegally built from (under Commiefornia law not everywhere) just to push their narrative.
A 13-year-old boy who police believe intended to carry out a school shooting at a Southern California middle school was arrested after deputies uncovered an AR-15-style rifle, a large cache of ammunition, a list of intended victims and a drawing of the school's layout, authorities said Friday.

Several students at Ánimo Mae Jemison Charter Middle School in Willowbrook, just south of downtown Los Angeles, alerted their teachers after they overheard a student threatening to carry out a shooting at the school on Friday, Los Angeles County Sheriff Alex Villanueva said at a press conference.

Deputies executed a search warrant at the student's home and uncovered the gun and 100 rounds of ammo, which authorities said was unregistered but did have a serial number, Undersheriff Tim Murakami said.

Investigators showed a photo of the gun at the news conference and also added that the firearm did not appear to be a so-called "ghost gun" -- a weapon purchased in parts and then assembled as an unregistered and untraceable weapon.

In the early stages of the investigation, Murakami told reporters that the weapon was a ghost gun but he later apologized for the misinformation, clarifying that the sheriff's task force was investigating a separate incident in which a "ghost rifle" was thought to be involved.

“With all incidents like these, we ask all Los Angeles County residents that if they see or hear something, to say something," Villanueva said. "In this case, the fact that people stepped forward and said what they had heard led us to be able to prevent a tragedy today."

Police did not release the identity of the suspect because he is a minor. The boy was arrested without incident on suspicion of making criminal threats. A 19-year-old male relative also was arrested on suspicion of possessing an unregistered firearm, sheriff's department spokesman Sgt. Bob Boese said. The man, who was not identified, was held on $35,000 bail, he said.
 
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Good idea in theory. Not sure it would hold up in practice. It all comes down to how “they” plan to enforce such nonsense.
Take em now.
I don't mean that in a bad way or screwin' Pops out of his guns, but...somehow, if Dad is good with it,
Take em now.
Yup. Need to do a transfer. Of course the “across state lines” adds a wrinkle, but as you would have a CC permit, meaning no NICS check, you could always use a small time FFL and forget their name if you’re ever asked to prove you “legally” transferred them. ;)

whether or not you choose to comply with the infringement, er I mean law, is up to you but I doubt it would be provable either way.
 
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