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When is someone going to discuss how the psychology of this is wrong. Man has a gun to defend himself against crime and tyranny. A government officer comes to take away his source of power and security. He IS going to object. These are going to end this way often. That is until someone sees what us about to happen and doesn't answer the door peaceably. They have staged for tragedies to happen.
 
IT'S F***ING FIVE IN THE MORNING!

What LEGITIMATE business is conducted at 5 in the morning, especially for people like this guy!

How about coming at a DECENT hour of the day instead of under the cover of darkness!

There's a reason why Japan attacked Pearl Harbor in the middle of the night, and a reason why other military forces do this...because it's the worst hour of the d*mn day for people. It's the hour of attacking people!

Grrrr...
 
IT'S F***ING FIVE IN THE MORNING!

What LEGITIMATE business is conducted at 5 in the morning, especially for people like this guy!

How about coming at a DECENT hour of the day instead of under the cover of darkness!

There's a reason why Japan attacked Pearl Harbor in the middle of the night, and a reason why other military forces do this...because it's the worst hour of the d*mn day for people. It's the hour of attacking people!

Grrrr...
Pearl Harbor attack was at 7:48AM on a Sunday morning, for the element of surprise. Yes, early pre-dawn raids are desigined to catch the enemy "sleeping", when they might not have a clear head. Not exactly ideal for negotiating with someone with a gun.
 
Nov 5th, 2018. Pretty sure we have hashed this one out before. In other words, this isn't new or an additional issue. IIRC, this was the very first one. And I think the only one so far where someone has been killed.
 
Yup, old news. I remember this incident.

Still, being old doesnā€™t change the calculus of the situation. I was listening to the guy who does the blog Forward Observer yesterday and his comment was this nonsense will change only after the cops get caught in a kill funnel a few times.
 
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Please, don't just open your door to folks, especially at 5 am. When that door opens, you are standing in a target frame.
We discovered, incidentally that a locked gate at the end of the drive serves as a delineation of curtilage. In other words, that's where they stop. A local government type came to visit and said if the gate is locked, they couldn't pass it. If it we're not locked they'd be up by the house and the front door would be the boundary. In SC anyway. I found it interesting.
 
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We discovered, incidentally that a locked gate at the end of the drive serves as a delineation of curtilage. In other words, that's where they stop. A local government type came to visit and said if the gate is locked, they couldn't pass it.
I believe I've said before that I now understand while I was looking for rural property that I saw a lot of areas with no trespassing signs and properties surrounded with tall fences with razor wire.
 
I believe I've said before that I now understand while I was looking for rural property that I saw a lot of areas with no trespassing signs and properties surrounded with tall fences with razor wire.
People will call come on your property in a heartbeat if you let them. It helps to shoot on the property periodically. And the no trespassing signs are a formality prior to getting shot.
 
Folks you should look into having some body armor. If you have to answer the door putting on a vest or carrier is fast. Having a gun and not also protecting yourself is odd. You should take a force on force class with airsoft or simmunition and go through some scenarios. Of course this past Sunday, i was shot in the face three times and the hands multiple times doing Force on Force Fundamentals at Apex Defense group. The majority of hits are on the body, especially when its further out.
 
Nov 5th, 2018. Pretty sure we have hashed this one out before. In other words, this isn't new or an additional issue. IIRC, this was the very first one. And I think the only one so far where someone has been killed.
Has anyone herd anything from Alex Booth?
 
My prediction as the RFL are used more...

The cops know what they are going into, expect trouble, will get jumpy and start shooting, almost no provoking as they want to get home = dead/injured person being served. This will lead to the served person expecting to be shot and will start shooting.

There is no good outcome to this. It's a self fulfilling law and, while on the books, will only escalate.
 
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There is no good outcome to this. It's a self fulfilling law and, while on the books, will only escalate.
See my comment in post 12. Itā€™s going to stop once the cops find themselves in kill funnels according to a military analyst whose vlog I watched.
 
See my comment in post 12. Itā€™s going to stop once the cops find themselves in kill funnels according to a military analyst whose vlog I watched.
That is very troubling...^ On the surface, it looks real good to the casual observer, but on its face...it looks to me as if we're witnessing a manufactured civil war. I hope I'm wrong.
Alexander Booth, first the "official story" is "no crime", then...warrants??? What gives? Once people heard he had some charges or warrants...they wrote him off!!! Disappears! Never happened! If people haven't realized all major news media outlets are pumping 24/7 police state propaganda, then nobody's paying attention. I'm still not so sure about this incident.
A.G. Barr has announced his "gun control" plan. (We all know how well he's assisted in the "War On people...I mean Drugs")
Virginia is heading down the road to communism, along with Cali, N.J., N.Y. Washington State, and the Lord only knows the others.
All the while, we have two different factions of government warring with each other. It's the deep state vs Trump. Black vs white, democrips vs redbloodicans, cops vs the citizens. Do we really believe this is all going to end well? Do we really believe the next election, the next bill or act passed...is gonna fix this mess?
I'm extremely worried...tin foil hat is on tight, and bug out bags are packed.
Maybe I'm just being paranoid.? Nothing to see here, everything is okay, big brother got us??? Right?
It looks to me as if rule of law is breaking down, and it's being done intentionally. Someone tell me I'm wrong...please.
 
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That is very troubling...^ On the surface, it looks real good to the casual observer, but on its face...it looks to me as if we're witnessing a manufactured civil war. I hope I'm wrong.
Alexander Booth, first the "official story" is "no crime", then...warrants??? What gives? Once people heard he had some charges or warrants...they wrote him off!!! Disappears! Never happened! If people haven't realized all major news media outlets are pumping 24/7 police state propaganda, then nobody's paying attention. I'm still not so sure about this incident.
A.G. Barr has announced his "gun control" plan. (We all know how well he's assisted in the "War On people...I mean Drugs")
Virginia is heading down the road to communism, along with Cali, N.J., N.Y. Washington State, and the Lord only knows the others.
All the while, we have two different factions of government warring with each other. It's the deep state vs Trump. Black vs white, democrips vs redbloodicans, cops vs the citizens. Do we really believe this is all going to end well? Do we really believe the next election, the next bill or act passed...is gonna fix this mess?
I'm extremely worried...tin foil hat is on tight, and bug out bags are packed.
Maybe I'm just being paranoid.? Nothing to see here, everything is okay, big brother got us??? Right?
It looks to me as if rule of law is breaking down, and it's being done intentionally. Someone tell me I'm wrong...please.
I feel your pain. I've got my hat on as well but don't know where to think about running to. Trying to decide whether to dig a hole or build a wall.
 
uhhhh it wasnt middle of the night at all.

Yeah, yeah...I know. Poor choice of words.

Timing is everything in such operations, which was my point. I apologize for the inaccuracy!
 
IT'S F***ING FIVE IN THE MORNING!

What LEGITIMATE business is conducted at 5 in the morning, especially for people like this guy!

How about coming at a DECENT hour of the day instead of under the cover of darkness!

One saturday morning at 5 or 6 (back up in the detroit area) my wife woke me up because a guy was pounding on the door screaming that we stole his phone and he wanted it back. it seems the apple-track or whatever he used showed that his phone (which he left unattended on a table in a coffee shop) drove to the road in front of our house and sat there for a while before going dark. Obviously, with our 2 cars IN OUR DRIVEWAY, that must have been us that did it.
My front porch was "L" shaped, with the door at the short portion of the "L" and a window with curtains at the long part.
Guess which part I observed from before talking to him.
Yep, that's how I answered the front door - through the side window, with a gun behind the curtain.
Guy said he was going to call the police and I suggested he do that soon, because I was about to do the same.
Police showed up a bit later, knocking loud and hard - as always. I had a gun pointed through the curtain before i peeked out :-/
All I said was "we don't have it, tell him not to come back on my property". They asked if they could look in the back yard and I allowed it. If I had stole it, i wasn't likely to hide it out in the open yard anyway, wasn't going to come back on me.

When is someone going to discuss how the psychology of this is wrong. Man has a gun to defend himself against crime and tyranny. A government officer comes to take away his source of power and security. He IS going to object. These are going to end this way often. That is until someone sees what us about to happen and doesn't answer the door peaceably. They have staged for tragedies to happen.
Justified tragedies. Good thing somebody called in that red flag, because he MUST have been a criminal in a mental crisis. Of course, we'll never get his side of the story now that he's dead, but no good normal person would disagree with a lawful order...


...this nonsense will change only after the cops get caught in a kill funnel a few times.
We got cameras outside the house and the doorbell has its own video/intercom thing going on.
Installer suggested putting the interface panel away from the door, to help keep people from hearing my voice through the door and kicking it in on me, preferably behind a wall to add a small barrier.
I liked that guy. I now have a short but clear line of fire to the front door.
I might reinforce the wall too :)
Obviously not for cops - just for regular garden variety intruders that don't carry the full weight of the law with them.
 
My prediction as the RFL are used more...

The cops know what they are going into, expect trouble, will get jumpy and start shooting, almost no provoking as they want to get home = dead/injured person being served. This will lead to the served person expecting to be shot and will start shooting.

There is no good outcome to this. It's a self fulfilling law and, while on the books, will only escalate.

You never hear about using these Red Flag Laws against Gang-Bangers, Hood-Rats or violent convicted felons, you know, the folks with guns that are an actual threat
 
but we DID hear about the dem view on using them:
When filtered through the lens of being designed to disarm the populace in order to facilitate. converting the nation to socialism or communism, all the Dim BS makes sense. Itā€™s not meant to do anything about crime or mass shootings. Those are just the excuse.
 
Can we form a gang then? I mean is there paperwork involved, registration? ;)
I like the way you're thinking. Unfortunately we would have to be promoting drugs and crime to be of the protected gang class. If all you want to promote is freedom and independence, you're creating a militia and you're GUARANTEED to be put on watch lists and red flagged (or rubyridge'd) at the first available opportunity.

I've long been wondering about starting a non-denominational religious organization the promotes self-defense, relying heavily on non-Christian texts as inspiration. heads would explode.
 
I like the way you're thinking. Unfortunately we would have to be promoting drugs and crime to be of the protected gang class. If all you want to promote is freedom and independence, you're creating a militia and you're GUARANTEED to be put on watch lists and red flagged (or rubyridge'd) at the first available opportunity.

I've long been wondering about starting a non-denominational religious organization the promotes self-defense, relying heavily on non-Christian texts as inspiration. heads would explode.
Well, that can be quite profitable, too.
"The best way to make a million dollars is to start a religion."
-L. Ron Hubbard
 
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I like the way you're thinking. Unfortunately we would have to be promoting drugs and crime to be of the protected gang class. If all you want to promote is freedom and independence, you're creating a militia and you're GUARANTEED to be put on watch lists and red flagged (or rubyridge'd) at the first available opportunity.

I've long been wondering about starting a non-denominational religious organization the promotes self-defense, relying heavily on non-Christian texts as inspiration. heads would explode.
I've been saying for a few years that gun clubs and ranges should re-identire as churches. Organize a heavily 2A themed religion and have daily worship services. I don't want to appear blasphemous , just sayin'.....
 
I've been saying for a few years that gun clubs and ranges should re-identire as churches. Organize a heavily 2A themed religion and have daily worship services. I don't want to appear blasphemous , just sayin'.....
As Nehemiah said unto his people, "Be not ye afraid of them: remember the Lord, which is great and terrible, and fight for your brethren, your sons, and your daughters, your wives, and your houses." Be as those who spent half the day working and half the day defending. Carry your weapon at your side as you perform your duties.
:D
 
Well, that can be quite profitable, too.
"The best way to make a million dollars is to start a religion."
-L. Ron Hubbard

Speaking of L. Ron Hubbard, I remembered back in the late 70s there was a big commercial push of advertisements on TV about Dianetics...which has it's roots way back in 1950.

I just googled it to refresh my memory on the subject and wouldn't you know...I came across something new I didn't know about.

Did you know that the Nation of Islam now practices Dianetics? Apparently as of 2010.
 
I've long been wondering about starting a non-denominational religious organization the promotes self-defense, relying heavily on non-Christian texts as inspiration. heads would explode.
LoL. Yes!
 
We discovered, incidentally that a locked gate at the end of the drive serves as a delineation of curtilage. In other words, that's where they stop. A local government type came to visit and said if the gate is locked, they couldn't pass it. If it we're not locked they'd be up by the house and the front door would be the boundary. In SC anyway. I found it interesting.


Define "locked".
 
I've met you. Looked you in the face, shook your hand. If you can make it here, we'll put on a hellava show!
Thank you kind sir. Always good to have more than one hole to run in/out of.Hope to see you again soon under peacefull circumstances.
 
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