Amended: New Virginia Bill Would Criminalize Second Amendment-Related Speech

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Virginia State Senator L. Louise Lucas prefiled Senate Bill 64 titled A BILL to amend and reenact § 18.2-433.2 of the Code of Virginia, relating to paramilitary activities; penalty.

The relevant portion:

A person ̶s̶h̶a̶l̶l̶ ̶b̶e̶ is guilty of unlawful paramilitary activity, punishable as a Class 5 felony if he:

1. Teaches or demonstrates to any other person the use, application, or making of any firearm, explosive, or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, knowing or having reason to know or intending that such training will be employed for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder; or

2. Assembles with one or more persons for the purpose of training with, practicing with, or being instructed in the use of any firearm, explosive, or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, intending to employ such training for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder; or

3. Assembles with one or more persons with the intent of intimidating any person or group of persons by drilling, parading, or marching with any firearm, any explosive or incendiary device, or any components or combination thereof.

Thomas Jefferson would be so proud.

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/virginia-moves-to-criminalize-second-amendment-speech/

Hear her again for the First Time:

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The rule of law only works when at least 95% of the populace intend on obeying the law. When that many people intend on being law abiding the police can handle the 5% who don’t (and the 95% will gladly aid the police).

But when you begin to criminalize behavior that is not only constitutional but at the core of our republic, you will cause the collapse of our society.

You make men like me criminals at your own peril.
 
YeeHaa said:
Virginia State Senator L. Louise Lucas prefiled Senate Bill 64 titled A BILL to amend and reenact § 18.2-433.2 of the Code of Virginia, relating to paramilitary activities; penalty.

The relevant portion:

A person ̶s̶h̶a̶l̶l̶ ̶b̶e̶ is guilty of unlawful paramilitary activity, punishable as a Class 5 felony if he:

1. Teaches or demonstrates to any other person the use, application, or making of any firearm, explosive, or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, knowing or having reason to know or intending that such training will be employed for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder; or

2. Assembles with one or more persons for the purpose of training with, practicing with, or being instructed in the use of any firearm, explosive, or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, intending to employ such training for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder; or

3. Assembles with one or more persons with the intent of intimidating any person or group of persons by drilling, parading, or marching with any firearm, any explosive or incendiary device, or any components or combination thereof.

Thomas Jefferson would be so proud.

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/virginia-moves-to-criminalize-second-amendment-speech/

Hear her again for the First Time:

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Sounds like Va is trying to draw a line in the sand. While I wish I had not spent my life savings a year ago to buy land there, they should be aware of the sh**storm that will ensue if they try and enforce any of this nonsense. I know of one new Virginian that WILL NOT COMPLY!
 
The crazies are definitely running the asylum up there.

Looks like they are going to shove as much and as many things through as they possibly can while they have the power.
 
"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
 
meanwhile, at least once a year in Michigan... sometimes once in the spring and once in the fall...

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There are 2A rallies where people gear up and march on the state capitol building.

Anybody want to guess how many shootings there have been?
Good people being armed while assembling peaceably is not a problem.
It's when you have POSs running around promoting a violent socialist agenda that you run into problems. But as always, gun laws aren't meant to stop criminals...
 
Chdamn said:
The rule of law only works when at least 95% of the populace intend on obeying the law. When that many people intend on being law abiding the police can handle the 5% who don’t (and the 95% will gladly aid the police).

But when you begin to criminalize behavior that is not only constitutional but at the core of our republic, you will cause the collapse of our society.

You make men like me criminals at your own peril.
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Armed4defense said:
Sounds like Va is trying to draw a line in the sand. While I wish I had not spent my life savings a year ago to buy land there, they should be aware of the sh**storm that will ensue if they try and enforce any of this nonsense. I know of one new Virginian that WILL NOT COMPLY!
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BurnedOutGeek said:
The crazies are definitely running the asylum up there.

Looks like they are going to shove as much and as many things through as they possibly can while they have the power.
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I suspect they think that this would make all 2nd Amendment rallies such as the one above illegal making it easier for them to clamp down on any pushback. Am sure this will be used (if effective) against conservative rallies in the future.
 
I didn't get something.

By the word of law, since 1979 in Virginia, it is illegal to use firearm to resist tyrannical government. See sections 1 and 2 of the law and spend a minute to learn what a "civil disorder" is.

Let me cite: Civil disorder, also known as civil disturbance or civil unrest, is an activity arising from a mass act of civil disobedience (such as a demonstration, riot, or strike) in which the participants become hostile toward authority, and authorities incur difficulties in maintaining public safety and order, over the disorderly crowd. It is, in any form, prejudicial to public law and order.
from FM 19-15, FEMA definition.

If you ask me - it is exactly how 2A is supposed to work against a tyrannical government - by being hostile toward authority, so "authorities" cannot enforce public laws.

What specifically new happened so people who were OK with that for 40 years apparently become so irritated?!

Tell me more how evil-minded Bloomberg just recently flipped Virginia and everything was changed... They have this BS in their books for 40 years already.

It is the same here, in NC, by the way. You cannot protest while being armed or you are a felon and must have your gun right stripped. Again, nothing new. It is in the books for decades.
 
nowhere-man said:
It is the same here, in NC, by the way. You cannot protest while being armed or you are a felon and must have your gun right stripped. Again, nothing new. It is in the books for decades.
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For the record, I do NOT support Mr. Dixon's politics or beliefs , lack of them.
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He does ( however ) have the same Rights the rest of us do.
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Why Durham County will pay this anti-white-supremacist protester $3,000

“It just seems like an appropriate case to settle,” Siler said.
The Sheriff’s Office revoked Dixon’s concealed carry permit in August 2017 the day after he was charged with two misdemeanors: going armed to the terror of the people and bringing a weapon to a demonstration.


Read more here: https://www.heraldsun.com/news/local/article222036975.html#storylink=cpy



He brought a semi-automatic rifle to a rumored KKK rally. Here’s why he got off.

Durham

A man arrested for bringing a semi-automatic rifle to a KKK counterprotest last summer had his case dismissed Thursday when a judge ruled the charge was unconstitutional.

Dwayne Dixon faced the misdemeanor after he brought the rifle to downtown Durham Aug. 18 amid rumors of a white supremacist rally that never materialized.

District Court Judge James T. Hill dismissed the charge after Dixon’s attorney, Scott Holmes, argued the law was overly broad and infringed upon the the First and Second Amendments rights to assemble and to bear arms.

“It is just unconstitutional on its face, and the state can’t use it to prosecute my client,” Holmes said in court.


Read more here: https://www.heraldsun.com/news/local/crime/article199048869.html#storylink=cpy
 
YeeHaa said:
“It is just unconstitutional on its face, and the state can’t use it to prosecute my client,” Holmes said in court.
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Regardless of my disdain for Dixon and his ilk, this is a good thing. However long the law has been on the books, once someone was charged by it, an attorney challenged it, and a judge dismissed the charges based on the obvious unconstitutionality of said law. It's now a valid legal precedent.

Would this have happened if it had been a conservative "protester" showing up for a rumored left-wing rally? Your guess is as good as mine, but... prolly not. No matter. It's rarely the case that laws infringing on natural rights are stopped because of the doings of respectable folks. What's important is that the decision negates the validity of a bad law.
 
nowhere-man said:
Tell me more how evil-minded Bloomberg just recently flipped Virginia and everything was changed... They have this BS in their books for 40 years already.
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The phrase from the Declaration of Independence comes to mind about people being willing to suffer that which they shouldn’t in order to maintain tranquility until such time as it becomes unbearable comes to mind.
 
Looks like they want to target the NRA for starters then USPSA and IPSC.
 
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Chdamn said:
The rule of law only works when at least 95% of the populace intend on obeying the law. When that many people intend on being law abiding the police can handle the 5% who don’t (and the 95% will gladly aid the police).

But when you begin to criminalize behavior that is not only constitutional but at the core of our republic, you will cause the collapse of our society.

You make men like me criminals at your own peril.
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Well stated sir. And very telling of the times. And for the record I've reached the age, determination, and resolve to make those who take actions to place a criminal label on me this late in my life regret their decision(s).

It's also approaching the time in which some will be forced to say enough is enough. Failing to do so only speeds up the process of ending freedoms that have been taken for granted.
 
YeeHaa said:
“It is just unconstitutional on its face, and the state can’t use it to prosecute my client,” Holmes said in court.
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Oh, F yes.
I'm new to NC, having just come from MI (see above), and it was immediately obvious to me that you can't restrict the 2A just because the 1A is in play. The branch dildonians Bundy group showed us that in federal court. The case against them was dumped for them bringing guns into federal buildings because they were using guns as part of their 1A right.
Now that this case is on file, it's time for GRNC to get the law removed. I actually wanted to join GRNC just to push this agenda.
Don't get me wrong, the KKK are d-bags, but they still have rights.

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I’ve been to these. They are a necessity
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The funny part is that the guns are allowed inside the capitol building during session - the signs are not. Every year or two MI is treated to articles about how you can go in with a deadly deadly gun under the 2A, but your 1A is invalid because your signs have to stay outside. And every time, some rep has to point out that people are constantly injured by signs, and signs block the view... but guns have never caused problems.
 
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