Sweeping VA gun ban, likely confiscation without grandfather clause, proposed by state legislature

The general rule is that an unconstitutional statute, though having the form and name of law, is in reality no law, but is wholly void, and ineffective for any purpose; since unconstitutionality dates from the time of its enactment, and not merely from the date of the decision so branding it.

An unconstitutional law, in legal contemplation, is as inoperative as if it had never been passed. Such a statute leaves the question that it purports to settle just as it would be had the statute not been enacted.

Since an unconstitutional law is void, the general principals follow that it imposes no duties, confers no rights, creates no office, bestows no power or authority on anyone, affords no protection, and justifies no acts performed under it . . .

A void act cannot be legally consistent with a valid one.

An unconstitutional law cannot operate to supersede any existing valid law.

Indeed, insofar as a statute runs counter to the fundamental law of the land, it is superseded thereby.

No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law and no courts are bound to enforce it.

— Sixteenth American Jurisprudence, Second Edition, Section 177. (late 2nd Ed. Section 256)
 
SPM said:
You do understand that the only real teeth a law has is the willful compliance of the population, right? And if the majority of the population simply ignores the scribbling of politicians en masse, there’s really not anything the politicians or their hired muscle can effectively do about it, right?
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What fantasy land do you live in to believe a majority of us will en masse resist the next gun control law? Tell me, are you resisting the SBR law/reg? Are you building SBRs without paperwork and if so would you take one to a public range? Why not? You know free men do free stuff. :rolleyes:
 
Railsplitter said:
I'm pretty sure these fellers would have disagreed.
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Bullshart! Revolution if it comes to it hell yeah but they gave us the mechanisms for defeating or changing bad laws. You're saying our founders would recommend to disregard the rule of law? If laws mean nothing then why did they create the framework for them?
 
Flashpoint said:
Bullshart! Revolution if it comes to it hell yeah but they gave us the mechanisms for defeating or changing bad laws. You're saying our founders would recommend to disregard the rule of law? If laws mean nothing then why did they create the framework for them?
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Throwing tea in Boston Harbor was against British law. Refusing to surrender arms at Concord Bridge was against British law. The American Revolution was against British law. Signing the Declaration of Independence was against British law.

They willingly broke laws they did not consider in harmony with natural rights.
 
Flashpoint said:
Legitimate in your (or anyone else's) mind or not, laws matter and have a direct effect on everyone. Illegitimate laws need to be opposed and defeated beforehand or repealed afterward, not just ignored because you think that you can sneak around under the radar.
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I’ve said on multiple occasions that it is necessary to go through the acts and motions, such as court challenges and petitioning the crown. However, that does not mean that we will be accepting of the outcome or consider the matter settled if such measures are unfruitful. As stated above, we don’t need chiefs and kings to inform us of natural rights, they are inherent and obvious. What is also obvious is that we are suffering under a govt. that was created for the sole purpose of safeguarding those inherent rights, but instead is trying to deny them. The fact that it went through various illusions and gyrations to feign legitimacy doesn’t actually convey said legitimacy.

As a reminder, Nazi Germany operated under the law. The Soviet Union operates under the law. The Taliban were, and may still be, the law in parts of Afghanistan, etc, etc. Law does not equate to right or just, only the word of politicians and their ability to either persuade people to obey or threaten them with physical force.
 
Flashpoint said:
.......You're saying our founders would recommend to disregard the rule of law?.....
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Uh dude,... that's exactly what they did. Wanna take a guess why, on April 18 1775, approximately 700 British soldiers left Boston heading for Concord and Lexington? They had some pretty specific orders.
 
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Problem is, one lone soldier in this war gets picked off pretty quickly. But let 300 men with AR-15's show up at the Legislature, walk through the hallways with them chanting "hell no", and that would make a difference. And nobody would get arrested.
 
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ppirate said:
I do not want to be an "overnight felon"
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Me neither. If I'm gonna be labeled, I don't want to blow it on a default label created by some stupid law! GO big or go home--YOLO!
 
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MostWanted said:
Yea, but you won't be able to take it to the range, train with it, zero a scope, or take a 30 round mag out of the house. It could only come out when SHTF. And if you ever get red flagged, you wouldn't just lose your guns, they will drill into your safe and now you'll lose your freedom and your job.
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welllllllllllllllllllllll I bet you could take it to range that we are familiar with in Conway, or many of other truly private ranges with select membership. Or you could just build your own range.

One of the bennies of owning your own shooting area is you get to ask the pertinent questions, and they already know walking up that you're armed to the teeth. Kinda sets the table for respectful dialog.
Especially when you're carrying an AR and likely wearing better body armor on your own property. :D
 
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There is still hope




List of Second Amendment sanctuaries in Virginia and where it’s being discussed

As of Dec. 4, 41 counties across Virginia have become Second Amendment sanctuaries

Jeff Williamson, Digital Content Manager

Published: December 4, 2019, 4:39 pmUpdated: December 4, 2019, 5:26 pm

Tags: Second Amendment

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ROANOKE, Va. – As more and more counties vote to become Second Amendment sanctuaries, we’ve compiled a list to help you keep track.

10 News talked with a Constitutional law professor to learn more about what it means to become a Second Amendment sanctuary.
To read the bills related to weapons, including guns, that will be discussed during Virginia’s 2020 legislative session, click here.
Adopted:
Alleghany County - Adopted on Dec. 3, 2019
Amherst County - Adopted on Dec. 3, 2019

Appomattox County - Adopted on Nov. 18, 2019
Bland County - Adopted on Nov. 26, 2019
Botetourt County - Adopted on Nov. 26, 2019
Buchanan County - Adopted on Dec. 2, 2019
Campbell County - Adopted on Nov. 7, 2019
Carroll County - Adopted on May 13, 2019

Charlotte County - Adopted Nov. 13, 2019
Culpeper County - Adopted Dec. 3, 2019
Dickenson County - Adopted on Nov. 19, 2019
Dinwiddie County - Adopted on Nov. 20, 2019
Town of Exmore - Adopted on Dec. 2, 2019
Giles County - Adopted on Nov. 21, 2019
Gloucester County -Adopted on Dec. 3, 2019

Goochland County - Adopted on Dec. 3, 2019
Greensville County - Adopted on Dec. 3, 2019
Halifax County - Adopted on Dec. 2, 2019
Henry County - Adopted on Nov. 26, 2019
King George County - Adopted on Dec. 3, 2019
King William County - Adopted on Nov. 25, 2019

Lee County - Adopted on Nov. 19, 2019
Louisa County - Adopted on Dec. 2, 2019
Madison County - Adopted on Nov. 26, 2019
Middlesex County - Adopted on Dec. 3, 2019
New Kent County - Adopted on Nov. 27, 2019
Nottoway County - Adopted on Nov. 21, 2019
Orange County - Adopted on Dec. 3, 2019

Patrick County - Adopted on Nov. 18, 2019
Page County - Adopted on Dec. 3, 2019
Pittsylvania County - Adopted on Nov. 19, 2019
Powhatan County - Adopted on Nov. 25, 2019
Rappahannock County - Adopted on Dec. 2, 2019
Roanoke County - Adopted on Dec. 3, 2019

Tazewell County - Adopted on Dec. 3, 2019
Town of Rural Retreat - Adopted on Nov. 26, 2019
Russell County - Adopted on Dec. 2, 2019
Southampton County - Adopted on Nov. 25, 2019
Sussex County - Adopted Nov. 21, 2019
Washington County - Adopted on Nov. 26, 2019
Wythe County - Adopted on Nov. 26, 2019

Discussing:

City of Virginia Beach - Discussed on Dec. 3

Albemarle County - Will be discussed on Dec. 4
Augusta County - Will be discussed on Dec. 4 at a special meeting
Fluvanna County - Will be discussed on Dec. 4
Scott County - Will be discussed on Dec. 4
Craig County - Voting on Dec. 5
Surry County - Will consider resolution on Dec. 5
Bedford County - Voting on Dec. 9

Buckingham County - Will be discussed on Dec. 9
City of Galax - Will be discussed on Dec. 9
Mecklenburg County - Will likely be discussed on Dec. 9
Radford - Will likely be discussed on Dec. 9
Rockbridge County - Will likely be discussed on Dec. 9
Town of Bluefield - Voting on Dec. 10
Caroline County - Will likely be discussed on Dec. 10

City of Chesapeake - Will be discussed on Dec. 10
City of Covington - Will be discussed on Dec. 10 (discussed on Dec. 3 in work session)
Cumberland County - Expected to be discussed on Dec. 10
City of Bristol - May be discussed on Dec. 10
Essex County - Likely to be discussed on Dec. 10
Floyd County - Will be discussed on Dec. 10
Greene County - Discussed on Nov. 26, possible vote on Dec. 10

James City County - Expected to be discussed on Dec. 10
City of Lynchburg - Will be discussed on Dec. 10
City of Martinsville - Expected to be discussed on Dec. 10
Nelson County - Will likely be discussed on Dec. 10
Prince Edward County - Will consider resolution on Dec. 10
Prince George County - Will consider resolution on Dec. 10

Prince William County - Will be discussed on Dec. 10
Smyth County - Expected to be discussed on Dec. 10
Spotsylvania County - Will likely be discussed on Dec. 10
Warren County - Expected to be discussed on Dec. 10
Chesterfield County - Expected to be discussed on Dec. 11
Frederick County - Expected to be discussed on Dec. 11

Hanover County - Expected to vote on Dec. 11
Rockingham County - Will be discussed on Dec. 11
Westmoreland - Will be discussed on Dec. 11
Fauquier County - Will likely be discussed on Dec. 12
Grayson County - Will likely be discussed on Dec. 12
Isle of Wight County - Will be discussed on Dec. 12

Lancaster County - Will likely be discussed on Dec. 12
Lunenburg County - Will vote on Dec. 12
Northumberland County - Will likely be discussed on Dec. 12
Shenandoah County - Will be discussed on Dec. 12
Wise County - Will be discussed on Dec. 12
Pulaski County - Resolution will come up for a vote at the next meeting on Dec. 16
Montgomery County - Will likely be discussed on Dec. 16

Franklin County - Resolution could be voted on during Dec. 17 meeting
Stafford County - Expected to be discussed on Dec. 17
York County - Will discuss on Dec. 17
Accomack County - Will likely be discussed on Dec. 18
Amelia County - Voting on Dec. 18
Brunswick County - Expected to be discussed on Dec. 18

Will Not Become Second Amendment Sanctuary:

City of Roanoke - Discussed on Dec. 2

Remaining Counties/Cities not listed above:

Counties:

Arlington, Bath, Charles City, Clarke, Fairfax, Henrico, Highland, King and Queen, Loudoun, Mathews, New Kent, Northampton, Richmond

Cities:

Alexandria, Buena Vista, Charlottesville, Colonial Heights, Danville, Emporia, Fairfax, Falls Church, Franklin, Fredericksburg, Hampton, Harrisonburg, Hopewell, Lexington, Manassas, Manassas Park, Newport News, Norfolk, Norton, Petersburg, Poquoson, Portsmouth, Richmond, Salem, Staunton, Suffolk, Waynesboro, Williamsburg, Winchester




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Ikarus1 said:
welllllllllllllllllllllll I bet you could take it to range that we are familiar with in Conway, or many of other truly private ranges with select membership. Or you could just build your own range.

One of the bennies of owning your own shooting area is you get to ask the pertinent questions, and they already know walking up that you're armed to the teeth. Kinda sets the table for respectful dialog.
Especially when you're carrying an AR and likely wearing better body armor on your own property. :D
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Or you get an MRAP through the side of your house at 3am while the next Lon Horiuchi waits to pick off your family members when they run out.

The Feds will cheerfully massacre you and your family to make a point. There's plenty of guys working for them that would be comfortable as hell in the Schutzstaffel I betcha.
 
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Or you get an MRAP through the side of your house at 3am while the next Lon Horiuchi waits to pick off your family members when they run out.

The Feds will cheerfully massacre you and your family to make a point. There's plenty of guys working for them that would be comfortable as hell in the Schutzstaffel I betcha.
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Build a moat and fill it with diesel and styrofoam lmao
 
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I believe that.

Let even 100 armed men occupy the halls of the state legislature, organized and with clear reason, and I doubt there’ll be enough cops around with enough cuffs.
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Let's start lazy, the kind of activism we can all do without bothering to get dressed or leave our stinking computer chair...
https://www.facebook.com/2ASocialMediaRally/
December 15 - everybody call your reps. A few hundred extra calls in one day will make a strong point.
 
NCLivingBrit said:
Or you get an MRAP through the side of your house at 3am while the next Lon Horiuchi waits to pick off your family members when they run out.

The Feds will cheerfully massacre you and your family to make a point. There's plenty of guys working for them that would be comfortable as hell in the Schutzstaffel I betcha.
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Yes, but how many and for how long? And what if we stop paying them? o_O
 
NCLivingBrit said:
Or you get an MRAP through the side of your house at 3am while the next Lon Horiuchi waits to pick off your family members when they run out.

The Feds will cheerfully massacre you and your family to make a point. There's plenty of guys working for them that would be comfortable as hell in the Schutzstaffel I betcha.
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They need to keep in mind that turn about is fair play. You don’t need an MRAP. A car would likely go through most construction, especially residential, even brick. Need more? How about a decent sized truck? Excavator?

I bet these Schutzstaffel Feds and their families don’t live in bunkers.
 
noway2 said:
They need to keep in mind that turn about is fair play. You don’t need an MRAP. A car would likely go through most construction, especially residential, even brick. Need more? How about a decent sized truck? Excavator?

I bet these Schutzstaffel Feds and their families don’t live in bunkers.
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They're likely not thinking like that yet. And probably won't until it happens.
 
I do worry about reciprocity with Va.. I live close to the boarder and go to Virginia quite often. But that may have to stop.
 
The fight has just begun in Virginia. They may have won a skirmish, they have not won the war.
 
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GoWolfpack said:
There is still hope




List of Second Amendment sanctuaries in Virginia and where it’s being discussed

As of Dec. 4, 41 counties across Virginia have become Second Amendment sanctuaries

Jeff Williamson, Digital Content Manager

Published: December 4, 2019, 4:39 pmUpdated: December 4, 2019, 5:26 pm

Tags: Second Amendment

[https://www](WSLS)



ROANOKE, Va. – As more and more counties vote to become Second Amendment sanctuaries, we’ve compiled a list to help you keep track.

10 News talked with a Constitutional law professor to learn more about what it means to become a Second Amendment sanctuary.
To read the bills related to weapons, including guns, that will be discussed during Virginia’s 2020 legislative session, click here.
Adopted:
Alleghany County - Adopted on Dec. 3, 2019
Amherst County - Adopted on Dec. 3, 2019

Appomattox County - Adopted on Nov. 18, 2019
Bland County - Adopted on Nov. 26, 2019
Botetourt County - Adopted on Nov. 26, 2019
Buchanan County - Adopted on Dec. 2, 2019
Campbell County - Adopted on Nov. 7, 2019
Carroll County - Adopted on May 13, 2019

Charlotte County - Adopted Nov. 13, 2019
Culpeper County - Adopted Dec. 3, 2019
Dickenson County - Adopted on Nov. 19, 2019
Dinwiddie County - Adopted on Nov. 20, 2019
Town of Exmore - Adopted on Dec. 2, 2019
Giles County - Adopted on Nov. 21, 2019
Gloucester County -Adopted on Dec. 3, 2019

Goochland County - Adopted on Dec. 3, 2019
Greensville County - Adopted on Dec. 3, 2019
Halifax County - Adopted on Dec. 2, 2019
Henry County - Adopted on Nov. 26, 2019
King George County - Adopted on Dec. 3, 2019
King William County - Adopted on Nov. 25, 2019

Lee County - Adopted on Nov. 19, 2019
Louisa County - Adopted on Dec. 2, 2019
Madison County - Adopted on Nov. 26, 2019
Middlesex County - Adopted on Dec. 3, 2019
New Kent County - Adopted on Nov. 27, 2019
Nottoway County - Adopted on Nov. 21, 2019
Orange County - Adopted on Dec. 3, 2019

Patrick County - Adopted on Nov. 18, 2019
Page County - Adopted on Dec. 3, 2019
Pittsylvania County - Adopted on Nov. 19, 2019
Powhatan County - Adopted on Nov. 25, 2019
Rappahannock County - Adopted on Dec. 2, 2019
Roanoke County - Adopted on Dec. 3, 2019

Tazewell County - Adopted on Dec. 3, 2019
Town of Rural Retreat - Adopted on Nov. 26, 2019
Russell County - Adopted on Dec. 2, 2019
Southampton County - Adopted on Nov. 25, 2019
Sussex County - Adopted Nov. 21, 2019
Washington County - Adopted on Nov. 26, 2019
Wythe County - Adopted on Nov. 26, 2019

Discussing:

City of Virginia Beach - Discussed on Dec. 3

Albemarle County - Will be discussed on Dec. 4
Augusta County - Will be discussed on Dec. 4 at a special meeting
Fluvanna County - Will be discussed on Dec. 4
Scott County - Will be discussed on Dec. 4
Craig County - Voting on Dec. 5
Surry County - Will consider resolution on Dec. 5
Bedford County - Voting on Dec. 9

Buckingham County - Will be discussed on Dec. 9
City of Galax - Will be discussed on Dec. 9
Mecklenburg County - Will likely be discussed on Dec. 9
Radford - Will likely be discussed on Dec. 9
Rockbridge County - Will likely be discussed on Dec. 9
Town of Bluefield - Voting on Dec. 10
Caroline County - Will likely be discussed on Dec. 10

City of Chesapeake - Will be discussed on Dec. 10
City of Covington - Will be discussed on Dec. 10 (discussed on Dec. 3 in work session)
Cumberland County - Expected to be discussed on Dec. 10
City of Bristol - May be discussed on Dec. 10
Essex County - Likely to be discussed on Dec. 10
Floyd County - Will be discussed on Dec. 10
Greene County - Discussed on Nov. 26, possible vote on Dec. 10

James City County - Expected to be discussed on Dec. 10
City of Lynchburg - Will be discussed on Dec. 10
City of Martinsville - Expected to be discussed on Dec. 10
Nelson County - Will likely be discussed on Dec. 10
Prince Edward County - Will consider resolution on Dec. 10
Prince George County - Will consider resolution on Dec. 10

Prince William County - Will be discussed on Dec. 10
Smyth County - Expected to be discussed on Dec. 10
Spotsylvania County - Will likely be discussed on Dec. 10
Warren County - Expected to be discussed on Dec. 10
Chesterfield County - Expected to be discussed on Dec. 11
Frederick County - Expected to be discussed on Dec. 11

Hanover County - Expected to vote on Dec. 11
Rockingham County - Will be discussed on Dec. 11
Westmoreland - Will be discussed on Dec. 11
Fauquier County - Will likely be discussed on Dec. 12
Grayson County - Will likely be discussed on Dec. 12
Isle of Wight County - Will be discussed on Dec. 12

Lancaster County - Will likely be discussed on Dec. 12
Lunenburg County - Will vote on Dec. 12
Northumberland County - Will likely be discussed on Dec. 12
Shenandoah County - Will be discussed on Dec. 12
Wise County - Will be discussed on Dec. 12
Pulaski County - Resolution will come up for a vote at the next meeting on Dec. 16
Montgomery County - Will likely be discussed on Dec. 16

Franklin County - Resolution could be voted on during Dec. 17 meeting
Stafford County - Expected to be discussed on Dec. 17
York County - Will discuss on Dec. 17
Accomack County - Will likely be discussed on Dec. 18
Amelia County - Voting on Dec. 18
Brunswick County - Expected to be discussed on Dec. 18

Will Not Become Second Amendment Sanctuary:

City of Roanoke - Discussed on Dec. 2

Remaining Counties/Cities not listed above:

Counties:

Arlington, Bath, Charles City, Clarke, Fairfax, Henrico, Highland, King and Queen, Loudoun, Mathews, New Kent, Northampton, Richmond

Cities:

Alexandria, Buena Vista, Charlottesville, Colonial Heights, Danville, Emporia, Fairfax, Falls Church, Franklin, Fredericksburg, Hampton, Harrisonburg, Hopewell, Lexington, Manassas, Manassas Park, Newport News, Norfolk, Norton, Petersburg, Poquoson, Portsmouth, Richmond, Salem, Staunton, Suffolk, Waynesboro, Williamsburg, Winchester




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I'm glad to see Botetourt on there. I am surprised they voted on it before Bedford.
 
Virginia Beach will never adopt it. After the shooting at their municipal building all they have been talking about is more gun laws.
 
Bravo to any county, city, municipality or township for declaring themselves a sanctuary for the RTKBA.

Additionally, I believe it’s up to each citizen to be their own “2nd Amendment Sanctuary”, no matter what an individual in a suit with a letter behind their name declares.
 
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“If the legislature decides to restrict certain weapons I feel harms our community, I will swear in thousands of auxiliary deputies in Culpeper,” Jenkins said. “There’s no limit to the number of people I can swear in.”
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I think that's what is called the Militia. :):):)
 
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